Similarities to salvia?

[Ho Ho]

I was wondering if any experienced travelers find any similarities to a salvia ride - I couldn't recall reading about any accounts of the sort prior to my first trip.

The substance in question would have to be analyzed - to make sure it was even DMT responsible in the first place. [REDACTED - No discussion is allowed about selling drugs, buying drugs, procuring drugs, prices of drugs, trading drugs and trafficking of drugs.]. If it means anything, I had been interested in the extraction process for at least a couple years but had not taken steps toward it, my excuses being resource & location related - perhaps this says something in and of itself? That I am not/was not ready in the first place?

However, the method used was the seemingly popular sandwich method involving trace amounts of marijuana - perhaps it was the weed responsible for inducing a salvia like experience? For the record, I did seem to reach hyperspace (the second time):

Colors all of a sudden went very vibrant, and objects in the room seemed to flatten and merge into one another - similar to salvia. I partially mention this because one effect seem to be some realization that 'everything is one', in a manner akin to if one were remembering EVERYTHING at the same time... A few months prior I was interested in saliva so I purchased some from a shop - then when I had the "DMT" it made me realize that type of continuity (I still had some salvia divinorum extract left over, so it was like, "Hey.. I still have some of that").

Some of the visuals were akin to my first time smoking heavy amounts of weed with music on... I was able to, essentially, "see" the music or whatever emotions were had. I'm sort of wondering how much any other present substances had an effect and whether a more pure DMT trance is advised... Also, there was music playing but I am interested in seeing what a non music inducement would be like.

I have every intent on attempting an extraction process once it seems feasible, although they always say "now is the best time to start" and whatnot.

Does anyone know if a weed/dmt combination will induce a salvia like trip? Or was the dmt not dmt.. It could have been dpt?


Thanks to anyone that read and/or has information to add.

 

[daisranger]

Hey there,

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From my brief experience with Salvia, I have had the occasional moment with DMT that reminds me of that (the speed, the intensity). Generally they are quite different.

I find that mixing it with cannabis can be good for pre-flight anxiety (depending on how often you use cannabis) but also makes it more difficult to remember the journey. Some say it muddies the experience for them, some say they need it, to each his own.

 

[RoGu3]

DMT is nothing like Salvia. And combined is like its own drug entirely. If you smoked DMT, you would know lol was it like a waxy white or off white color? Like little white crystals but with a waxxy texture. Its almost always like that or in a yellow goo which I couldnt imagine you getting .. its usually used by extractors to make changa blends

DMT laced cannabis is one of the most epic things. I put anywhere from 100mg-300mg of DMT on a bowl of some high grade . So that could explain the epicness factor..

 

[Metanoia]

While I agree that Salvia and DMT are very different, I do subscribe to the belief that Salvia can 'color' other psychedelic trips once you've gone to a certain length with it. I literally have Salvia 'moments' with every trip I take now, regardless of the substance. Even cannabis does this :lol: This seems to be a permanent condition with me, although I am a regular user of Salvia and haven't taken a sufficient break away from it to see if this Salvia 'bleed over' fades with time.

This is the only explanation I can offer (besides the possibility that you were duped). If someone went to all the trouble to extract salvinorin A and deposit it onto some sort of inert crystals, that would really surprise me. Unless what you had was a changa blend.

 

[Entheogenerator]

The effects you describe sound like they could be the effects of very low-dose DMT. I suppose in very low doses, there are some similarities between DMT and smoked Salvia divinorum.

At "average"/common and high doses the only similar components that I have experienced between the DMT and smoked Salvia divinorum experiences are: rapid onset/short duration, entity contact (more common with DMT than S. divinorum IME), and complete dissociation a.k.a. "out-of-body experiences". Some of the physical effects are somewhat similar, but my experiences with the two substances in question have been very unique to one another.

Probably about 90% of dipropyltryptamine experience reports I have read have been riddled with terms somewhere along the lines of "absolutely terrifying", so DPT wouldn't be my first guess. But I suppose I wouldn't rule out a small dose of DPT freebase as a possibility.

Moral of the story: ingesting an unidentified/questionable substance is just an all-around terrible idea. Don't do it. If you absolutely must ingest substances of which the origin is unknown or even slightly questionable, just set aside $60 USD from your next paycheck and buy a set of colorimetric reagents. I guarantee you will not regret it.

I have every intent on attempting an extraction process once it seems feasible, although they always say "now is the best time to start" and whatnot.

And just one more thing I would like to add:
This is absolutely not the case when it comes to extracting DMT and other plant-based entheogens. Please do not rush into these things. They must be taken seriously and approached with the utmost respect. It is always best to wait until the time is right. I will leave you with an excerpt from the Attitude Page, which I strongly suggest you read if you haven't already. The full excerpt may or may not apply to your situation, but either way I really think the final sentence is worth taking into consideration.

We are against people extracting or using substances in student dorms/parents/shared houses or any other unsafe place or where the owners or roommates do not agree with what is being done. We do not give tips on 'stealth' teks. Do not do it unless the owner of the place accepts his/her full responsibility for the actions being done. If you don't have such a place to extract now, be patient, many have waited years and years for the right moment.

 

[Ho Ho]

Hm, I see... I figured some ethics would be bypassed. I glanced at the Attitude page but maybe didn't do an in depth examination of it.

Could probably do the work myself by searching various places of the internet.. But does anyone know of using salvia as a substitute for the sandwich method?

NVM, was going to ask but then I saw that 'Known Substance Interactions' link and it said the mix was Okay...

But still, the question I suppose is whether the white powder was dmt or not. It may as well be some form of it... It's more of a 'too good to be true' type thing.

I do remember "seeing" parts of what looked like doctors/strange entities operating on me after a while, but that could have been due to reading all the accounts which report the same thing... It's just interesting to try and explain all that. Obviously some changes in the brain occur which could account for various sensations, but I'm not sure how definitive such a simple layman explanation would be.


Thanks for the infos.

 

[Entheogenerator]

Hm, I see... I figured some ethics would be bypassed. I glanced at the Attitude page but maybe didn't do an in depth examination of it.

Could probably do the work myself by searching various places of the internet.. But does anyone know of using salvia as a substitute for the sandwich method?

NVM, was going to ask but then I saw that 'Known Substance Interactions' link and it said the mix was Okay...

But still, the question I suppose is whether the white powder was dmt or not. It may as well be some form of it... It's more of a 'too good to be true' type thing.

I do remember "seeing" parts of what looked like doctors/strange entities operating on me after a while, but that could have been due to reading all the accounts which report the same thing... It's just interesting to try and explain all that. Obviously some changes in the brain occur which could account for various sensations, but I'm not sure how definitive such a simple layman explanation would be.


Thanks for the infos.

An in-depth examination is precisely what should be given to The Attitude Page.
I go back and re-read it a couple of times every so often, just to make sure nothing has changed and I haven't forgotten anything. Pretty soon I'll have the darn thing memorized! :lol:

I have heard of people using small amounts of salvia for the sandwich method. Plain, dried leaf might work well, but I would not recommend using the extracts (10x, 20x, 80x, etc). I would be willing to bet that a common-high dose of enhanced salvia leaf (even 10x) would be far less material than is required to effectively use the sandwich method.

What do you mean by "some form of it"? There is really only one form of DMT. Are you referring to a compound with a similar molecular structure and/or an analogue?

Unfortunately, nobody is going to be able to identify the substance in question even remotely accurately when the only information provided is the appearance and the subjective effects which you experienced. Sorry we can't be of more help, but any answers I could provide would be purely conjecture. Perhaps I missed something, but from what I have seen you haven't even shared the duration of effects. This would narrow it down significantly. Did the experience last more than 15-20 minutes? If so, then it was more than likely not DMT. Even then, there are some people who inexplicably metabolize vaporized DMT in a way that their experiences last longer than what would be considered average. But nine times out of ten, the peak effects of vaporized DMT will only last 15-20 minutes at most.

 

[Metanoia]

It being a white powder I would highly doubt that what you had contained salvinorin A. But like was said, that's pure conjecture.

I think the lesson here is to always extract your own to be sure of what it is you're putting into your body :thumb_up:

 

[Entheogenerator]

It being a white powder I would highly doubt that what you had contained salvinorin A. But like was said, that's pure conjecture.

I think the lesson here is to always extract your own to be sure of what it is you're putting into your body :thumb_up:

I agree. If pure salvinorin A was easily attainable, that's probably what would be commonly used rather than the 10x, 20x, 50x enhanced leaf matter.

I also agree that extraction is always the safest and most ethical route to hyperspace.

 

[Global]

It being a white powder I would highly doubt that what you had contained salvinorin A. But like was said, that's pure conjecture.

I think the lesson here is to always extract your own to be sure of what it is you're putting into your body :thumb_up:

I agree. If pure salvinorin A was easily attainable, that's probably what would be commonly used rather than the 10x, 20x, 50x enhanced leaf matter.

I also agree that extraction is always the safest and most ethical route to hyperspace.

From my understanding, pure salvinorin A crystal is incredibly more potent than even the concentrated enhanced leaf matter. It's extremely powerful stuff, and if you were to confuse the dosage of salvinorin A for DMT, and you smoked as much salvinorin as you typically would DMT, I would not wanna be in your shoes at the moment you realized your mistake.

 

[gibran2]

To re-emphasize what has already been stated:

Having extracted more or less pure salvinorin A, I can say from experience that it is very potent. A typical dose is between 500 and 1000 micrograms.

A strong dose of vaporized salvinorin A is about 1mg, so a DMT-sized dose of salvinorin A (20-30mg) would be a huge overdose.

As far as similarities between salvia and DMT goes – there are numerous threads where this has been discussed. They are similar in some ways, and different in many ways.