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Snuff admixture Rape' de los Indio - Maquira sclerophylla

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Sandtrout

Sandtrout

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This is both a report and an inquiry for more information.

Recently a friend passed along a certain snuff.
They call it Rape' (rape with an accent over the "e") pronounced more like hape'.
I've only seen it mentioned in one book - "Plants of the Gods" by Schultes, Hoffman and Ratsch.
There it is called Rape' dos indios and said to be of the M. sclerophylla tree - and contains 'cardiac glycosides.'
My Medical Herbalism book said cardiac glycosides may cause contraction of cardiac tissue(??). It seems that glycosides are a rather vast class of chemicals-- a sugar bound to some other biomolecule-- so I imagine there may be diverse effects beyond "contraction of cardiac tissue."

The people who crafted it in Brazil say it is highly revered. They use it in aya ceremony and approach rape' like it is a beneficial medicine.
It smells almost like a tobacco snuff--very pungent and earthy-- an especially fine powder, dark brown in color.

It is administered by another, who blows a tiny amount of this powder through a kind of straw or tube into the nasal of the patient.

It is very painful, causing the watering of the eyes and an intense burning sensation that can be felt all the way in the back of the head. The pain however passes quickly and the patient is left feeling centered and clear-headed.

I'm wondering if anyone has any first hand or anecdotal experience with Rape'.

I'm especially curious on Rape's interaction with aya.

I have experienced rape without aya and vice-versa. I will report back when the in vivo combinational therapy has been assayed.

Cheers
 
This maquira sclerophylla snuff seems like it's sort of lost in usage, at least in our culture.
I use one snuff called nu nu, that is green khaki from theobroma bicolor and nicotiana rustica (mapacho), the snuff is used to clear sinuses and head it also is admix to aya or pharmahuasca session in my experiences.
I'd be interested if we knew more about that tree and the pharmacodynamics of this snuff.
 
AHA!!! So there is a post on Rape'!!!

I have the grey kind and it looks like all ash. I think one needs to hunt for it with Kambo because Giovanni Lattanzi and I are the only ones selling it. So if you look up facebook you can find Giovanni's e-mail through his site "K4mbo He4ling". Otherwise I have this kind that is apparently the purist form that my source tells me he has ever come across. It is made direct by the Yawanawa people.

It is pure love power. Painful? No, not if you do Kambo enough. This stuff should only be sold to people dedicated (livicated to Kambo), sorry for the snobbery but it is not just for fun or anything else really. It goes hand in hand with Kambo. Seems like all ash of many different sacred plants. The smell eminates holiness and I am tempted to make an essential oil out of it. I think I have an endless source for this magic dust.

I put this medicine on par with Iboga, Kambo, Ayahuasca, and Sananga. But don't use during Ayahuasca it is dangerous. I tried last night and think I was pushing death. But then again probably 10 times over the past year I have felt on the edge of deaths door so maybe I am just paranoid.

Whatever the case this sacrament is top notch and unique. It gives very unique and still visions. It guarantees purging if someone has difficulty getting it out with Kambo. My source tells me that it is very necessary to use with Kambo to make the experience far more useful. Maybe 10-20 minutes later an individual is fueled with happiness and energy spiritual in nature. It goes very well with Sananga eye drops too.

It is nothing compared to Nu-Nu this stuff (Rape') is the crown jewel of snuffs although I have never tried virola snuff. I want to make Virola snuff to go along with the Rape' though so I'll report if that comes to fruition.

Lovely medicine made by the teachers of the universe,
The Roots are indigenous
 
Rape is a great medicine I love it a lot.

When you say "using rape during ayahuasca is dangerous" I think you are making a very personal statement.
In general I don't feel any danger from the energy when on ayahuasca and I have seen many people doing the same and they where just fine.

Certain times I apply rape to many people after a ayahuaca session, helping to get more grounded and to "remove attached unwanted energies from the aura". All people are friends and I know what dosage they like but sometimes intuitive some get a really large dosage.
It is not unusual when people get really weak on their legs need to lay down, throw up and go in a process for about 30 up to 45 minutes.

I like to use rape on a daily basis with a small pipe blowing it my own nose but this kind of usage is quite different experience from receiving it from someone else in a large pipe. Many times times the second way opens areas that are about healing and cleaning.

kambogahuasca I don't understand why you would say rape is really only something for people dedicated to kambo.
Its an unique and powerful medicine by itself and open for anyone who is interested.

There are some groups that I know of who have developed rape ceremonies where they spend hours in a cave in the mountains and do many and large doses of rape. I haven't participated in it and I could not imagine what this kind of ritual would bring.

In working with rape and applying to others there is a kind of relation between the two persons. The person who applies has to find the right dosage needs to know if its the first time for the other or not. He also has the responsibility for the other person safety, instructing the other not to breath out through his nose when the pipe is and making sure the pipe is inserted properly before blowing.

I have had it going wrong both ways.
getting the rape in my eyes because the receiver blowed in the pipe.
Blowing the rape in the receivers face because the pipe was not inserted well of they retracted when the first dust hit their inner head.

Then there is the blowing technique.
Its important to blow with about the same strength in both nostrils and there many ways having different blowing techniques names like, turtle, snake and some that I cant recall right now.
 
Oh OK! Sorry for my ignorance, partially this is what my source told me.

Sorry.

Great to know I can have with Ayahuasca. I thought maybe because of the Nicotiana Rustica in it would react bad with MAOI. I think maybe I am paranoid I am dying sometimes with entheogens. Like every time I do Kambo.

Thanks!
 
There are some groups that I know of who have developed rape ceremonies where they spend hours in a cave in the mountains and do many and large doses of rape. I haven't participated in it and I could not imagine what this kind of ritual would bring.
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So I was told the Yawanawa people that made this particular Rape' guard it with spiritual jelousy and that I am not to do it more than 2 times a day. You say you do it every day. Honestly I so in love with my introduction to Rape' and the joy it springs I would like to do it every day. But I have a tendency to get addicted to things, and I am concerned my love for Rape' could develop into an obsession. Like now since you mentioned doing it in a cave all day I am really interested to do so.

So you say those pipes, are those the curved ones I see on a few you tube videos? I think I can make some out of the curved areas of Elder stalks, but you also say my long Snuff stick is very good for healing. If you could reveal any infos, I would appreciate it. I am far removed from the Brazilian culture and in a totally different setting, I don't know anyone other that the 2 internet contacts that have done Rape'. Therefore I would be keen to learn all I can, if you can shed some light.

Like for instance, are these all plant ashes? It is just so powerful and yet different than a regular plant. Like it seems by making these plants into ashes that they extracted them, so it really mystifies me and baffles my normal understanding.

Thanks
 
Rapé is a very good snuff. It's rare but you can find it without givanni L. or you KIAP, from iboga
/kambo/ ayahuasca afficionados eventually. I knew nunu was used by matses ( who work with kambo ) maybe that's where you thought those snuff are only for kambo users, but IMO all those snuffs goes hand in hand with aya, ibo or cacti etc...
No need to be elitist.
I've yet to sample tsuné which will happen very soon.
 
Yeah, sorry for coming off as elitist. But the info I had from the guy I got it from was that it goes synergistic with Kambo and Sananga like they are a family. Also it guarantees a thorough purge if you do it before Kambo and a much better experience. So although it is not only for Kambo users, it is really great to do with Kambo. I will try with full Ayahuasca brew tonight and report how it is. Earlier I had tried it with Taohuasca using Rue as my haramala source. Maybe that was partially it.

I must say I was not especially fond of Nu-Nu. Maybe I didn't do it enough, I've heard the Matses do it over and over until they fall over and have visions. Since I have done Kambo enough, I think I can handle this now to get Nu Nu visions the hard way.

I am interested to hear about Tsune, I see it is also on Gio's shaman shop page. Maybe I can get some from him for a barter.

Blessings
 
So I was told the Yawanawa people that made this particular Rape' guard it with spiritual jelousy and that I am not to do it more than 2 times a day. You say you do it every day. Honestly I so in love with my introduction to Rape' and the joy it springs I would like to do it every day. But I have a tendency to get addicted to things, and I am concerned my love for Rape' could develop into an obsession. Like now since you mentioned doing it in a cave all day I am really interested to do so.
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The person who told you this probably never went to brazil

The Yawanawa and many other tribes love to share their knowledge about rape. They organize rape making rituals and all who have interest are happy to join in. There are many Brazilians who have learned the production secrets of rape making, even foreigners. So, I don't know what this spiritual jealousy means ?
This way their knowledge is spread and not lost. It also provides a direct and indirect way for the Indians to generate some money.

If you have concerns about addiction obsession, losing your love for rape, please don't do it everyday.

For true ritual use you need somebody to blow it in your nose.
Doing it yourself is child's play IMO, so yes I am playing like child many times 😉
 
Rapé is the general name for snuffs, there's many different compositions for rapés.. Often they contain tobacco, plus other plants. I've used a few different ones but I am not aware of what exact plants they contained, unfortunately, except that at least some of them certainly had tobacco.

The shaman that administered it to me was from the Kaxinawa (Huni Kuin) ethnicity. They use a V shapped tube, scoop up a certain quantity with one end, insert that end into someone's nose and blow on the other end. The V shapped tube was originally made from bone of some birds, but lacking that, they would improvise with anything, hollow woods, or even cut plastic tubes tied together. The V shape can work for self-application, and they often do it to themselves.

Personally, though, I really dont like snuffs. They were painful and make me sick in a not-positive way like I feel with ayahuasca... I think tobacco is really not my plant ally, but who knows. Im not sure if all the snuffs I used with these people contained tobacco but I didn't really enjoy any.

I've also used some yopo and epena but from a friend who was with the yanomami, and the epena (supposedly virola theiodora) I found more interesting, with a smaller dose I got more clearly to some interesting tryptaminic headspace. The yanomami blow it up a straight long tube, and they use some crazy high dosages :D Gotta be a warrior to take that much hehe.

I have an anthropology book that has some info on snuffs, this weekend I can take a look see if there's anything worth mentioning. There's also all the work from Constantino Manuel Torres on snuffs.
 
Most rape snuffs do contain tobacco and colors can differ from gray to all kind of shades of brown and towards black.
The green rape (apurina) is said to have no tobacco but I have also heard it does contain tobacco, a non fermented green tobacco.

Really knowing what the composition of the Indians snuffs are is not easy specially when there is a multitude of plants in it. Their local names many times don't help.

Easiest way to make a blowpipe is taking a straw that can bend.
It bit more creative is using bamboo and "malleable steel"
I will add a picture soon.
 
Regarding the blowing of snuff, if a tube is inserted into the nose, is it not dangerous to blow hard into the tube...could it not damage the lungs?

Also; Where in a long tube is snuff placed?..I've seen it placed where one blows..this is a long way to travel in a long tube don't you think..:surprised
 
^from what I have seen they do not put their mouth right around the end of the tube and blow..more like they blow air into the tube but thee is some small ammount of space between their lips and the tube..so while it is enough to get the medicine in there, I cant imagine it being able to damage ones lungs.
 
Snuffing btw imo is not a great thing to be into a regular basis. For me I was really into DMT snuffs for a while, until finally this resulted in my nose bleeding..so be aware of that if you plan on snuffing these things often.
 
its not dangerous to blow hard Christian as long as the tube in the nose doesn't close the nostril completely.
This can cause overpressure in your head, not nice.

The rape doesn't go to the lungs it goes up to you upper sinus.

There are 2 ways to place the rape.
With a straight pipe it makes more sens to insert the rape at the mouth side.
With V shaped pipes for me and many others the nose side is the snuff insertion point.

Long time rape use will affect your sense of smelling and can cause irritation of the nose membrane.
Nose bleeds is something not associated with traditional snuff
 
Thanks guys for your input. Actually i just watched a load of u tube videos a moment ago bfiefly zooming thru. One tribe that uses the pipe do actually give it a decent blow, but the recieving end is slightly off angle to the nose to relieve the pressure. I saw excess snuff blown into 1 nostril exiting out of the other. I've seen another video where a shaman uses a u shaped twin tube and places it directly up to the nose and gives a quick but short blow.The sinus would also take care of excess pressure. I guess it all depends.:thumb_up:




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I am just too fascinated in Rape' to let this thread go to sleep. So I wonder, is the Grey Rape' grey because it is all Ash? Anyone know how they do this? And what mystifies me most is that it seems by making these plants into an Ash that it somehow works like an extraction. The indigenous people are certainly the most advanced of humanity so I just want some hints to know how to follow their teachings and produce something similar.

Also what of adding to the Rape' or so to speak infusing an extract of Virola Theiodora with some Justicia pectoralis ash? Is this dangerous, I wonder?

So this time I did as was recommended and had the Rape' at the tail end of my Ayahuasca session and it produced fantastic results. The mistake I made before was I had it during a peak time of Aya, because I was needing a deep purge. That must have been why it was too intense and I felt like I was going to die.

Now every major experience, I feel like I am going to die. Wonder what this means, maybe I am just too afraid of death and I need to read the Tibetan Book of Living and Dying more carefully as well as some of Rudolf Steiner teachings. Or is this dancing with death something I should cherish I wonder. I sort of doubt that I am actually close to dying from the outside looking in, but during it I feel like it is a real possibility.

Banisteriopsis Muricata infused Rape' and infused Acacia Confusa leaf might be worth investigating, but how dangerous I wonder?

Now I know it is very true...having someone else blow Rape' in your nose is MUCH BETTER!!! I make many different snuff sticks out of dried plant stalks. I like especially the curved kind so I don't accidently sniff it or the person I blow it into doesn't accidently sniff it.

No answer yet on Tsune', I will see what Giovanni says.

Thanks
 
KIAP, have you snuffed voacanga africana already ?
I'm curious to hear your opinion.
It seems to me a much milder cousin of iboga which is possibly a valuable entheogen for the same take as iboga microdoses.
 
I have no experience with Voacanga Africana,
I have thought about using the seeds to do a TA extract to get the Tabersonine, which is quite a fine nootropic. You use the roots then. Seems unpleasant in large amounts, so your saying in small amounts it is quite nice. One of my favorite practices is the 30 day 2-3x a day 300-500mg Iboga micro dose, makes me soooooo happy and easy to get along with. Maybe your saying microdosing with Voacanga would produce similar results? If so that would be revolutionary. Or do you say snuffing is best for this? If so, is it best to extract the root to make into a snuff?

I need to learn. So many entheogens I have no experience like no cacti knowledge, no Voacanga knowledge and on and on. I am almost afraid of how in love I am going to fall in with Peruvian Torch...hehe. It calls me but I don't pick up the phone. Tabersonine calls but I say, I'm busy, not now...
 
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