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Snuff admixture Rape' de los Indio - Maquira sclerophylla

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I did have some rootbark extract, now I have a seed snuff.
I didn't say it is like iboga microdose, I wish it was close that. But it is a stimulant and nootropic, which shares some caracteristic.
I found it synergize very well with iboga microdose and low kambo dose (also in snuff). Which makes the experience more lovely. Or well, a bit less traumatizing.
 
OK, so you have the same intuitions as do I for the Tabersonine from the seed rather than the rootbark of Voacanga Africana. Now I have been procrastinating for some time on this. My intuition tells me and from the scientifical description of Tabersonine (Voacanga Seed Extract) is that it might be one of the most powerful nootropics out there. Do you have same conclusions? As it appears you do but just for confirmation purposes I learn best from others especially friends. So I know how to conduct the works without so much efforts.

Blessings,
fellow Kambogayahuasquero
 
Thanks everyone for contributing to this exploration!

I was able to compare a Brazilian Rape to a Nunu de Matses.

The brazilian rape was brown, pungent and very macho.

The nunu was green, more delicate and gentle smelling and MUCH less macho than the brazilian Rape. The Nunu has
a delicate and sweet aromatic smell, while the brown rape has that pungent kick of cured tobacco.

The brown rape was much more powerful and seemed like a more apparent medicine than the Nunu.
The brown rape encouraged me to keep using it much more than the Nunu.

A small jar of brazilian rape was consumed this winter. I usually get bronchitis once during the harsh winter, but this time I was able to avoid it.
 
I in the process with a friend trying to to identify the plant that is the ash part of the rape from the yawanawa.
There is a candidate plant but I will post when I am 100 % shure.

Also I hope to get more information about the burning process of the wood to create the ash.

An other friend in Brazil told me what he learned from the yawanawa.
The tobacco symbolises the male energy and the ash the female, both are brought together in the rape and they complement the Ruma and Nawan spirit of the rape.

Kambogahuasca Panacea, most common indian snuffs in Brazil are not made with any DMT containing plants. But I have a ayahuasca rape. this one is a basic yawanawa rape but it has ayahuasca added to it. The very last residues from a big ayahuasca making ritual are collected from the big pots, dried, scraped and powderrised and added to the snuff. Its a great and calm rape.


Here a picture of a collection of different blowpipes made from wood, iron and bones from a bird
 

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I guess I should make that Ayahuasca Rape' too, because I have some sediment sticking to the bottom of 2 of my bottles, I was wondering how to use it. Thanks!

Mainly I want to try to see about Yopo rape'. Fermenting the seeds and then mixing in.

It's kind of opened me up to a new world so to speak and I am quite excited to learn more, thanks for sharing!
 
NamRa, sorry I took long, I read your pm but got caught up with other things.

Please guys, do NOT offer to sell products directly here in the Nexus, even legal ones, for privacy/safety reasons (and to avoid vendor spamming in the nexus)

If you guys want to set up an internet shop for legal products, do so, pm me or trav or any mod, and we'll add one discussion page in the suppliers section where people can post reviews. This way if somebody buys, it will be "anonymous" in the sense that it wont be connected to the nexus, there will be no connection between the screen name and the real name/address.

So please remove your offers from your posts. Thanks :)
 
most common indian snuffs in Brazil are not made with any DMT containing plants.
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For what I got to know about rapè is, that it basically refers to various types of snuff prepared with different herbs, so practically It could be anything inside (In Brazil you can buy snuff in tobacco stores going by the name "rape"). But the real stuff you can't by in the tobacco store.

Paricà for example is a common rape that does contain DMT/Bufotenin due to it`s preparation from yopo. Often it`s a mixture of various herbs with or without tobacco. I tried different types of rape from different sources in Brazil and with some I had a distinctive Pain/burn in the middle of my head, when used in heavy doses and which I found to be symptoms associated with Bufotenin. Besides, rapè seems to be able to alter the Ayahuasca experience very intense, therefore it seems to have very synergetic properties and can induce purge immediately for some people during a ayahuasca ceremony.

BTW: The tubes for application are called "Fukilia" and I have to say that NamRa has quite a beautiful collection, I just have some basic bamboo Fukilias, one small for self application and one larger which requires the assistance of another person.
 
Besides, rapè seems to be able to alter the Ayahuasca experience very intense, therefore it seems to have very synergetic properties and can induce purge immediately for some people during a ayahuasca ceremony.
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AMEN! Almost crucial for those having troubles with purging both with Ayahuasca and Kambo. I was glad to learn earlier in this thread that Rape' is ok to use with Ayahuasca as I was afraid to do it. But now I know from experience and the experienced that it is extremely complimentary.
 
@ ZaZen.

If the Paricà rapè would have been made from the seeds it would contain some form of DMT for shure.
But when you listen to the guy in the video talking about Paricà he explains they use the wood (bark) of the tree.
They burn it and use the ashes.

Not all Virola bark contains a form of DMT
Look at the list in this thread.

But even then, If you have dmt containing bark and you burn it to ashes the alkaloids should be destroyed, shouldn't they ?

I doubt if this Paricà rapè contains any form of DMT at all


Fukilia, Hmm thats a new name to me, wow even different names in different areas of Brazil.
 
Unfortunately I don't speak Portuguese so I have no idea what the guy said in that video where he is making Rape', a rough translation would be extremely beneficial. I was mainly wondering if they end up making ash out of the tobacco and what they use to make the main ash substance, i.e. what is a good wood to burn in order to make the ash/lime substance. I know a recent thread here on the nexus explains other ways to make a ash/lime substance but I didn't know how applicable this would be for Rape' or if it was an exact fit. If I was going to try to start making it, wanted to get all the information first so as not to bumble my way through it.

Also I went to using a rubber tube with Bamboo fit onto it at the end now so I can blow it into my own nose and I feel it has every bit of power and force as if someone else blew it into my nose. I also went to a double blow method to make sure it gets deep into my skull. I blow once the full and then a second time and it goes deeper. Then I do not sniff what I blew up there for some time. I notice that once gets a majority of the medicine from sniffing so if the sniffles are done little by little it really makes for a very long lasting experience. I like the benefits of doing it this way so much more.

Thanks so much to everyone about taking it at the tail end of Aya journeys, especially to NamRa I am extremely grateful...will pm you soon. Well I honestly now feel it is even practically a prerequisite both (A) for the best Rape' experience like night and day and (B) for the best Aya journey as it makes it kick back up to new heights of revelation and beauty, great new thoughts come about and the Rape' has such brilliance of new ideas it provokes. The last time I had Aya the other night (which was pure magic) I had Rape' 4 hours into it. Did one nostril on a double blow and the experience lasted for 30 minutes of slowly sniffling and enjoying the miracles unfold. Then did the other nostril for same effect. Almost feel like going on the Ayahuasca forum to say how necessary Rape' is for the best Aya experience, but probably should keep to this thread. Most things are best kept low key.

Anyways I am also interested NamRa in all the Rape varieties that you are aware of and such and if you think from that video if it taught you how to make it. It didn't seem all that difficult. Also if needed I have a variety of Nicotiana's that I grew a couple years ago and they have been calmly curing for 3 years now waiting there mission. I think they found there purpose if they can just discover how to be made to best effect.

Also what I feel is that Sananga makes for great synergy with Rape' snuff. I do the 2 snuffs and then follow with the eye drops. If before Aya one does Sananga it makes for such an amazing third eye experience as well. The synergies of Rape'/Sananga/Ayahuasca/Kambo are truly miraculous. Also I find that Rape' synergizes very well with Iboga and really boosts the effects significantly.

Blessings!
 
About the parica.

The good thing about being wrong is that it gives a opportunity for correction.
Although the man in the video is talking about parica being a wood and working with some ashes I know now that there is actually some seeds (yopo) in this snuff.

Tobacco is not used to make ash, absolutely not.
The parica has some sort of base in it, most likelely lime. In this case its used in combination with yopo with other plants in the parica.

Other snuffs have ashes of different kinds of trees. Believed is that the healing properties of the plant still remain in the ashes.
So as a belief ashes have healing power.
From a more "scientific" aproach I wonder if not all of of the goods stuff (alkaloids and more) are destroyed when burning the wood.
I wonder how high the temperature gets when you burn a little piece of wood slowly.
Does anyone know ?
If temperature in known you only need to know what the wood is and if anything can survive the burning.

@kambo

NO the video did not make me learn to make rape. learning rape comes from experience and I don't have a lot of it. What I do know is that many Indian rape makers have studied a long time and make their snuffs with a special (secret) ratio of different plants. They do learn people how to make them. But there are some many tribes with different plants around them. I actually heard of a rape that has kambo in it. You could or could not imagine how strong this snuff would be.
I am not gonna try this kambo snuff myself. Might be something for kambohuasca.

The video is a little example. To many Indians and people who learned from them rape making is a sacred ritual and is done in silence and concentration.
But I also have friend who has been experimenting and making snuffs in his own way in Europe with good results

I believe I mentioned apurina snuff in this thread. I also had some of the kaxinawa snuff.
The same snuff from the same maker can differ from batch to bacth. All depends on nature who always gives variety in it fruits.

Seems you have a good cause for your nicotiana.
Traditionally the tobacco is rolled in to strings or folded in to packets while its still (a bit) wet.
This gives it the chance to ferment and this is why it needs to be roasted to get it bone dry.
 
Very helpful as always NamRa, thanks.

I actually heard of a rape that has kambo in it. You could or could not imagine how strong this snuff would be.
I am not gonna try this kambo snuff myself. Might be something for kambohuasca.
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Yes, I heard the Kaxinawa snuff it. rOm has this experience of snuffing it, not sure if w/Rape though, would have to see if he responds. I have been planning on adding it to my Rape', not sure if I can use Kambo that I have used on burns though, seems like it would still have some peptides in it. Will have to see, soon I'll walk that path.
 
Kambogahuasca Panacea said:
Very helpful as always NamRa, thanks.

I actually heard of a rape that has kambo in it. You could or could not imagine how strong this snuff would be.
I am not gonna try this kambo snuff myself. Might be something for kambohuasca.
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Yes, I heard the Kaxinawa snuff it. rOm has this experience of snuffing it, not sure if w/Rape though, would have to see if he responds. I have been planning on adding it to my Rape', not sure if I can use Kambo that I have used on burns though, seems like it would still have some peptides in it. Will have to see, soon I'll walk that path.
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Dear Kambogahuasca Panacea and followers, I don´t recommend anyone to "walk that path" of add kambo in any rape or snuff, due to the risk of the user to get ill with the "frog´s disease", reported by a local indian shaman as a very difficult disease to cure. :thumb_dow

So, don´t even try "that path". :!:

Kambo is one of the most powerful medicines and everybody must be aware the risks of using it the wrong way.:shock:

Why to take the path lane trail if you yet know and have available smooth ways to walk through?:)

 
You do realize that snuff with kambo is not a western invention.
It has a local indian shaman origin.
Find it hard to believe they would create a medicine that actually causes disease

Do you have more information about the symptoms of the "frog's" disease please.

ALso, there no need to shout with your capslocks
 
Thanks, for both responses. I have yet to try. If Kambo informs me to try it in this route then I will, for now it has not. I have very clear communication with Kambo and I will neither be told what to do or what not to do. I listen to Kambo and I don't trust intermediaries. NamRa never told me to do it by the way, nor did I view it as such. The Kaxinawa use it this way as you likely know. For now I've had no call to use it through the nose.

Thanks,
KP
 
yawixi said:
Dear Kambogahuasca Panacea and followers, I don´t recommend anyone to "walk that path" of add kambo in any rape or snuff, due to the risk of the user to get ill with the "frog´s disease", reported by a local indian shaman as a very difficult disease to cure.

So, don´t even try "that path".

Kambo is one of the most powerful medicines and everybody must be aware the risks of using it the wrong way.

Why to take the path lane trail if you yet know and have available smooth ways to walk through?
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Dear Yawixi

Thank you very much for providing that warning that taking kambo snuff may cause "frog's disease".

Did the local indian state the symptoms of "frog's disease" ?

Do you think the "frog's disease" a type of infectious disease, from a virus or bacterium in the kambo?

Thanks for your help.

Abraços.
 
Here's the paper on Maquira sclerophylla that talks about it having cardiac glycosides (full text available if you follow the link at the bottom):
Mem Inst Oswaldo Cruz. 1991;86 Suppl 2:235-6.

Cardiac glycosides isolated from the Indian-snuff, Maquira sclerophylla Ducke.
De Carvalho JE, Torres LM, Lapa AJ.

Departamento de Fisiologia, UNESP, Brasil.
Abstract

The hydroalcoholic extract of the powdered bark of the Indian-snuff Maquira sclerophylla Duck was purified by column chromatography in silica-gel and the major cardenolide isolated from preparative TLC was identified by 1H-NMR, 12C-NMR and IR analyses. The spectra showed that the active substance has strophanthidin as the aglycone.
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www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Cardiac glycosides isolated from the Indian-snuff, Maquira sclerophylla Ducke - PubMed

The hydroalcoholic extract of the powdered bark of the Indian-snuff Maquira sclerophylla Duck was purified by column chromatography in silica-gel and the major cardenolide isolated from preparative TLC was identified by 1H-NMR, 12C-NMR and IR analyses. The spectra showed that the active...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
 
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