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So I spoke in TONGUES for the first time...

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I saw this thread here when it came out and it was so fitting I couldn't bring myself to chime in. When I have Ayahuasca I always immerse into the Kambo spirit of singing. It is of a different wavelenght and contacts with the forest. I never use to speak in Kambo (Tongues) until I started doing it. For me this is one of my favorite aspects of Kambo is it's amazing musical spirit. It forms Icaros of an altogether wild and primitive nature. When one has Aya either 3-8 hours later or the next day it is off kilter Kambo songs. The songs are very hard to describe high pitched, deepest pitch, always changing with inflections. Wish I could perform it on some level for other people. Only the forest gets to hear this ringing out to the ethers.

What a sweet thread though, thanks!
 
On Toungues....

Have seen it a few times in some pretty twilight zone christian groups,
They say, quoting bible - Given to edify the soul, that is strengthen the being that it occurs in...To understand it, requires "the gift of translation" generally given sepeartely, (at least that is the charasmatic belief system.. last I heard)

Usually onset using a verbal mantra, similar to the "Hail Mary", seen a similar kind of phenomenon in Asia, with spirit inspired babble speak, through possession/channeling rituals.

I've seen "Halelujah" used often, particularly if you sing/say the word
harmonically as 4 tones...

Like the comment about some kind of re-calibration, sounds on the mark...
Seems like it achieved it's intended cause - you mention several times
that your "rational mind" is just going like - "wtf? Where did that come from?"
Thus your belief in the spiritual reality has been "edyfied"

Very cool report - thanks for sharing.
 
jamie said:
I find it hard to believe anyone is smoking 3 grams of DMT in a few hours...

and if you are...mmm uh..maybe try a new smoking method?

But if you are smoking that much and getting full effects than your mind must be quite blown afterwords!... ...since that is like 20-60 strong breakthroughs in a few hours at say 50mg each..plus harmalas...:shock: is that even possible?

Just in case someone reads this and doesnt know dosages and thinks they too can smoke 3 grams in a few hours!...that is one HUGE pile of spice...a gram of white spice smoked with harmalas for me is like 20-40 doses..and that is breakthrough doses

Agreed.

Good lord, if you vape just 0.2g's correctly, you're flying high, and that's without harmalas in the mix! I guess it just depends on one's own physique and tolerance, but good lord that's a lot of spice! :surprised

Can't say I've ever spoken in tongues but I have definitely gone into deep, shamanic trances. Those are definitely interesting.
 
Ancotar said:
jamie said:
I find it hard to believe anyone is smoking 3 grams of DMT in a few hours...

and if you are...mmm uh..maybe try a new smoking method?

But if you are smoking that much and getting full effects than your mind must be quite blown afterwords!... ...since that is like 20-60 strong breakthroughs in a few hours at say 50mg each..plus harmalas...:shock: is that even possible?

Just in case someone reads this and doesnt know dosages and thinks they too can smoke 3 grams in a few hours!...that is one HUGE pile of spice...a gram of white spice smoked with harmalas for me is like 20-40 doses..and that is breakthrough doses

Agreed.

Good lord, if you vape just 0.2g's correctly, you're flying high, and that's without harmalas in the mix! I guess it just depends on one's own physique and tolerance, but good lord that's a lot of spice! :surprised

Can't say I've ever spoken in tongues but I have definitely gone into deep, shamanic trances. Those are definitely interesting.

That post is almost 3 years old you know 😉
 
I personally believe the purpose of speaking in tounges in a divine sort of way anyhow is to bring about vibratory healing. The tones of the languages spoken have a special vibrational energy that does certain things and can open up certain doors.

This is why speaking in tounges is very strongly discouraged to do for purposes of public display...it's supposed to be a very private healing thing.

Revivalists are just nuts IMO, if there is any tounge speaking going on there it is purley demonic and/or make believe as fas as I'm concerned.
 
This excerpt from Zhuan Falun also talks about this phenomena:

Cosmic Language

What is "cosmic language"? It’s about a person suddenly being able to speak gibberish, like mumbo jumbo, and even he doesn’t know what he’s saying. People with telepathic abilities can get the general idea, but they can’t make out the specifics of what he’s talking about. And some people can speak a few languages. What’s more, some of them think they’re just incredible and think they’re really talented and have an ability. Let’s be clear, that’s not an ability, and it’s not a cultivator’s talent, and it doesn’t stand for your level, either. So what’s it about? It’s actually that your mind is being controlled by a foreign spirit. But for some reason you think it’s pretty good, you like having it, and you’re happy to have it. And the happier you are, the tighter its grip on you. If you think of yourself as a true cultivator, how could you just let it control you? And its level is really low. So a true cultivator shouldn’t invite this kind of trouble.

Human beings are the most precious, and they’re the wisest of all creatures. How could you be controlled by those things? You don’t even want your body anymore—how sad! Some of those things latch onto the body, and some don’t latch onto the body but they still manipulate you and control you, even though they’re at a little distance. When you want to speak it, they’re all too glad to do that, so you’ll go and spew mumbo jumbo. And it can be passed on—another person comes along and wants to learn it, he gets up his nerve and opens his mouth, and he starts spewing it, too. Those things actually come in nests, and when you want to speak it one of them will pounce right on your body and help you speak it.

So how’s that allowed to happen? Again, like I said, it wants to raise its level, but there’s no hardship over there so it can’t cultivate or improve itself. So they came up with an idea—to help people do good things for others. But they don’t know how. Yet they do know that the energy they send out can have the effect of slowing people’s sicknesses down a little and relieving the pain sick people have at the time, but it can’t cure the ailment. That’s how it is, and they know that using a person’s mouth to send it out can have that effect. Some people call it Heaven’s language, and then there are people who call it Buddha’s language. That’s blaspheming Buddhas! That’s just reckless!

You know, Buddhas don’t speak frivolously. If they went and said something in our dimension, they could cause earthquakes in the human world—it’d be terrible! Just think about that thundering sound. Some people have said, "I saw with my Third Eye that he talked to me." He didn’t talk to you. And the same goes for those people who saw my Law Bodies. They didn’t talk to you. The thought that he sends out is in stereo sound, so when you hear it, it sounds like he’s talking. Usually he can speak in his dimension, but once it’s transmitted over here you can’t hear what he says clearly. That’s because the concepts of space-time are different in the two dimensions, in our dimension, a small block of time is about two hours nowadays, but in that large dimension, our small block of time is equal to a year in their time. Our time is slower than theirs, it turns out.

There’s an old saying, "Only one day in the heavens, but a thousand years on Earth." That refers to the unitary paradises where there’s no concept of space and no concept of time, or to be more specific, the worlds where Great Enlightened Beings stay, like the Western Paradise, the Emerald World, the Falun World, the Lotus World, and so on—it’s those places. But the time in those large dimensions is faster, contrary to what you’d expect. If you’re able to receive and hear their talking (some people’s Celestial Ears are open, and when those Ears are open they can hear them talking) you can’t hear them that clearly. Everything you hear sounds the same, like birds chirping, or like a turntable playing at a fast speed—it’s all garbled. Of course, some people can hear music and they can hear people talking. But they have to have an ability that serves as a vehicle to eliminate the time difference before the sound is transmitted to your ears, and only then can you hear it clearly. That’s how it works. Some people call that stuff Buddha’s language, but nothing could be further from it.

When two Enlightened Beings meet they know all that there is to know with just a smile. That’s because it’s silent, mental telepathy, and what’s received has stereo sound. When they smile at each other they’ve already exchanged their ideas. They don’t just use that one form, sometimes they use another method. You know, in Tantrism Tibetan lamas take doing hand signs seriously. But if you ask a lama what hand signs are, he’ll tell you that it’s "meta-yoga." And what exactly is that? They don’t know themselves. It’s actually a language of Great Enlightened Beings. When there are a lot of people, they make those large hand signs, which are incredibly beautiful, and they make all kinds of large hand signs. And when there’s a small audience they use the small hand signs, and they’re beautiful, too, they use small hand signs in all kinds of poses, and they’re really involved and rich since they’re a language. These all used to be Heaven’s secrets, and now we’ve unveiled them all. What they use in Tibet are only a few movements that are just for doing their practice. They’ve catalogued them and made them into a system. Those are only a one-dimensional language for their practice, and they just have that handful of practice forms. Real hand signs are a lot more complex.

From Zhuan Falun:

 
universecannon said:
Ancotar said:
jamie said:
I find it hard to believe anyone is smoking 3 grams of DMT in a few hours...

and if you are...mmm uh..maybe try a new smoking method?

But if you are smoking that much and getting full effects than your mind must be quite blown afterwords!... ...since that is like 20-60 strong breakthroughs in a few hours at say 50mg each..plus harmalas...:shock: is that even possible?

Just in case someone reads this and doesnt know dosages and thinks they too can smoke 3 grams in a few hours!...that is one HUGE pile of spice...a gram of white spice smoked with harmalas for me is like 20-40 doses..and that is breakthrough doses

Agreed.

Good lord, if you vape just 0.2g's correctly, you're flying high, and that's without harmalas in the mix! I guess it just depends on one's own physique and tolerance, but good lord that's a lot of spice! :surprised

Can't say I've ever spoken in tongues but I have definitely gone into deep, shamanic trances. Those are definitely interesting.

That post is almost 3 years old you know 😉

Haha, I guess I didn't notice the dates when I was reading everything! :p No worries! I very much enjoy reading everyones' thoughts on this and other matters! :)
 
I used to belong to a religion that had a different definition of speaking in tongues, they also claimed it happened all the time.

In this case a person would have a message for another person, who spoke a language that the first person did not know, and then the first person speaks the message, in the language they do not know, with perfect fluency, but only for the duration of the message and then they cannot speak it.

It is said that the spirit of god was doing this, allowing them to speak in languages they did not know, but fluently and accurately, for specific purposes and reasons.

Neat stuff whatever the case.

My son had a seizure once in his sleep and spoke gibberish, we took him to the hospital, it was not the kind of seizure where you twitch, his eyes were dilated and he could not speak English and could not respond to words, but it looked like he was trying, but all he could make were just strange syllables and noises. It was very frightening as a parent. He was sleepwalking at the time and had a fever as well. The fever may have caused it according to the doctor, who described it as a classic form of a specific type of seizure that happens when the brain malfunctions.

I find the studies of this phenomena interesting.
 
This is actually a really cool thread to resurrect. I've experienced glossolalia on an eighth of cubensis mushrooms before and it felt great! I don't remember thinking that anything I said meant anything specific but I remember distinctly feeling as though the words were not nonesense. The glossolalia occured while in bed having a visionary style trip rather than a recreational style experience. I was definitely deep in shroom space and having many of the positive effects associated with mushrooms such as deep feelings of spiritual and emotional healing.
 
does it count to hear like a snake hissing and understanding the vibrational tone and the message it's trying to convey . hiss means. Hi and Hiss means Happy
 
The trip experience cannot be englished. This is where glossolalia/neologism comes in handy. Seeming mishmash, but richly descriptive and creative. I also feel it changes reality, a saying of what must be said, but then I see all things as connected and interdependent anyways...

On my 50mg 4-AcO lemonade I had this wide amorphous ectoplasm blob stream floating out of my mouth. Before the trip our homie showed us the trashcan to use for anything... and that's where I directed my billowy stream. I should have spread it out with my hands to look through...

Before this we were glossalizing to communicate and I was rolling around and strummed the cover of my closed dead laptop like an electric guitar (still connected through the wall speaker) - and it worked - loudly resounding a thunderous chord!

I think there could be a connection between meaningful glossolalic creation and this ectoplasmic formation. And 4-AcO is known, IMO, for encouraging glossolalia.


Terrence McKenna talks about this:

The fractal elves seem to be reassuring, saying, "Don't worry, don't worry; do this, look at this." Meanwhile, one is completely "over there." One's ego is intact. One's fear reflexes are intact. One is not "fuzzed out" at all. Consequently, the natural reaction is amazement; profound astonishment that persists and persists. One breathes and it persists. The elves are saying, "Don't get a loop of wonder going that quenches your ability to understand. Try not to be so amazed. Try to focus and look at what we're doing." What they're doing is emitting sounds like music, like language. These sounds pass without any quantized moment of distinction - as Philo Judaeus said that the Logos would when it became perfect - from things heard to things beheld. One hears and beholds a language of alien meaning that is conveying alien information that cannot be Englished.

Being monkeys, when we encounter a translinguistic object, a kind of cognitive dissonance is set up in our hindbrain. We try to pour language over it and it sheds it like water off a duck's back. We try again and fail again, and this cognitive dissonance, this "wow" or "flutter" that is building off this object causes wonder, astonishment and awe at the brink of terror. One must control that. And the way to control it is to do what the entities are telling ine to do, to do what they are doing.

I mention these "effects" to invite the attention of experimentalists, whether they be shamans or scientists. There is something going on with these compounds that is not part of the normal presentational spectrum of hallucinogenic drug experience. When one begins to experiment with one's voice, unanticipated phenomena become possible. One experiences glossolalia, although unlike classical glossolalia, which has been studied. Students of classical glossolalia have measured pools of saliva eighteen inches across on the floors of South American churches where people have been kneeling. After classical glossolalia has occurred, the glossolaliasts often turn to ask the people nearby, "Did I do it? Did I speak in tongues?" This hallucinogen induced phenomenon isn't like that; it's simply a brain state that allows the expression of the assembly language that lies behind language, or a primal language of the sort that Robert Graves discussed in The White Goddess, or a Kabbalistic language of the sort that is described in the Zohar, a primal "ur sprach" that comes out of oneself. One discovers one can make the extradimensional objects - the feeling-toned, meaning-toned, three-dimensional rotating complexes of transforming light and color. To know this is to feel like a child. One is playing with colored balls; one has become the Aeon.


Tryptamine Hallucinogens and Consciousness



Dennis describes the connection between the tryptamine buzz and the violet psychofluid, as discovered by Terence:

“The D.M.T.-initiated state, which allows prolonged bursts of this vocal energy, he describes as being one of seeing the levels of sound become more dense as they finally materialize into small, gnome-like, machine-like creatures made of material like obsidian froth, which pours from the body, mouth, and sex organs as long as the sound continues. It is effervescent, phosphorescent and indescribable. Here is where the linguistic metaphors become useless, for what the material actually is, is a supralinguistic matter; it is a language, but not made of words- a language which becomes and which is the things it describes. It is a more perfect archetypal Logos. We are convinced that through experimentation with these vocal phenomena, with and without the aid of drugs, it will be possible to understand and use translinguistic matter to accomplish any reality, for to say anything in this voice is to cause that thing to happen!”



Krystal Cole talks about psychedelic glossolalia as a way to possibly get calmer and higher based on a scientific study of glossolalia, in the video "Psychedelic Glossolalia":


For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to people but to God. Anyone who speaks in a tongue edifies themselves... I would like every one of you to speak in tongues...
1 Corinthians 14
 
Infectedstyle said:
does it count to hear like a snake hissing and understanding the vibrational tone and the message it's trying to convey . hiss means. Hi and Hiss means Happy
10 points for slytherin 8)
 
My view of psychedelic glossolalia is that it's akin to the way visuals can be driven by music, but with a more direct neurofeedback route. Anyone familiar with both phonics (i.e. the full range of vocalisation alluded to by the framework of the [extended] International Phonetic Alphabet) and vocal overtone 'throat' singing will appreciate the potential of free vocalisation as a means of exploring consciousness. When we consider that facial expressions seem to have an intimate, possibly hard-wired, link to emotional states, I would contend that this plausibly could be extended to the effect of vocal tract musculature on similar aspects of conscious experience. Does it perhaps become apparent how this may produce the kind of synergy referred to in the quotes from the brothers McKenna, above?

I find it particularly fascinating that we potentially could see a systematisation of these faciovocal gymnastics in the form of written characters/glyphs... [😉 ] something to coax the children into learning or devising, perhaps - and how about applying machine learning to this? It becomes, essentially, a combinatorial question.
 
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