Solving the DMT Jesters once and for all

[TheLastHit]

May 31st 2024. I have an encounter with a DMT Jester.

I shared the encounter on a thread here: Annoying entities in pre-breakthrough realm

It sparks a constant obsession with the Jesters. I need to know what-No who the hell they are? I spend about 4 months digging into these bastards. So much time it's disrupting my day-to-day life. Finally, I decided to turn the whole thing into a youtube video.

First of all I don't want this to come off as self advertising or something. I respect this community and have been a member since the old forum (although Iv lost access to that account). Im sharing the video for the sake of this discussion - as it compiled everything I found during my research. Because of the way youtube works - I tried to end it on a positive note and finish the narrative with some sort of conclusion. But honestly,I still have no fucking clue what these Jesters mean. But if you want to check the video, it's Here

I'm fairly certain they're not archetypes (although archetypes may be involved and work as some sort of filter), but I can only base this on my direct experience with the Jester (TMACK Style). If they are entities, the cosmic giggle theory is the best I've got. Lately its become popular to believe they are demons. Anyway I'm hoping you guys can share some of your own Jester encounters, and maybe we can have a long running thread where we discuss these fuckers.

I know there may already be other threads about Jesters. If any mod/admin chooses to merge this post over there, that'd be fine by me.

 

[Voidmatrix]

But honestly,I still have no fucking clue what these Jesters mean.

You may be flirting with insanity having any other expectation.

I'm fairly certain they're not archetypes (although archetypes may be involved and work as some sort of filter)

From my experience, you're on to something

One love

 

[TheLastHit]

You may be right brother. But I'm feeling flirtatious. After digging into some threads on here I discovered this beautiful little essay: The Meaning of Jesters in DMT - DMT Discussion - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus by FranLover. It perfectly describes what I meant by "cosmic giggle theory". In a way, I'm glad to see I was somewhat on the ball here. This is the explanation that most resonates with me.

 

[northape]

Your video gave me goosebumps
It was quite educational, and Bill Hicks at the end put a nail in the coffin.

Trungpa considered LSD samsara on steroids. Terence allegedly gave a Tibetan lama some DMT.
Lama reported back: "This is the lesser lights, the lesser lights of the Bardo. You cannot go further into the Bardo and return."
I agree with them. The only difference is that I see it useful to amplify illusion to the point of ridicule.
It is easier to see when you turn on the light. Another analogy would be cracking an egg.

Jesters seem to exist on the threshold between our ego and unity consciousness.
Are they the last line of defense for the ego or gatekeepers from the other side? What's the difference?
When one is able to relax and see what is hidden behind them, all is fine.
But if there is any resistance or an egoic will to make sense of it for this precious ME, things go very wrong very fast.

Tibetan Book of the Dead tells that bardo entities are manifestations of our mind.
If we are unable to recognize it, samsara keeps on spinning. What I am unsure about is this Mind they speak of.
I suspect that this Mind is on a level of magnitude higher than what I feel myself to be.

It seems that when ego dissolves, this bigger Mind remains. But we want to be present even on our own funerals (Trungpa again).
What I am trying to say is that the whole game seems to be not for us, but for the Being living in our Heart.
Or maybe it's for us, but put in order to let go and recognize this Being. I'm not sure myself, work in progress.
I don't want to acknowledge this inner self and surrender, so here I am writing stories.

Thank you everyone. This forum worked as an integration tool for me recently.

 

[Voidmatrix]

It seems that when ego dissolves, this bigger Mind remains

Maybe I've smoalked too much DMT, but my experiences in the space tell me there's something else going on, such as, some of this is not part of our own minds, except to be able to experience it.

I've also had experiences where my ego is no where to be found (and in those moments I don't care because I don't have an ego), but my "mind" remains.

One love

 

[northape]

Yeah, that's where I am at the moment
It's hard to put in words, some days I get an inkling of what the difference is.
My intuition tells me that I won't get it intellectually. Too much philosophy leads to alcoholism.

Even with very strong doses of medicine, I was always there.
The next step was usually blackout for me, which happened.
I went to states near blackout where nothing seemed to work. There was no real memory of me, but I was there.
Presence remains, so go figure what is what. My conclusion after years of aya and analogs that I don't know anything.

I'm on a fence with the whole ego death thingy. What is dying if awareness remains? I see no problem with all my bs gone.
As mentioned before, I decided to take a break and try to digest a bit in a sober state. We'll see what the next step is?

Sorry, I went quite off-topic.

 

[Voidmatrix]

Seems on topic given that it's jester time that has brought us to this point.

The ego is the part of the self that cares that there is a self, but who's to say that that ever changing self ever goes away?

My intuition tells me that I won't get it intellectually. Too much philosophy leads to alcoholism.

This is probably true, fortunately for me, I hate alcohol. However, my mind is seemingly constantly engaged with much of this. For me, it's led to more medicine...

and...

I don't know anything.

Me either.

I'm on a fence with the whole ego death thingy. What is dying if awareness remains? I see no problem with all my bs gone.

Is this not an assumption about something which we don't actually have any awareness of, just what we've interpreted certain experiences to be? I only mentioned it because it's the closest we see to get, if it's anything like death or dying.

Even with very strong doses of medicine, I was always there.
The next step was usually blackout for me, which happened.
I went to states near blackout where nothing seemed to work. There was no real memory of me, but I was there.
Presence remains, so go figure what is what.

Makes you question things a bit doesn't it One of the more vicious paradoxes we encounter in these spaces.

One love

 

[northape]

Is this not an assumption about something which we don't actually have any awareness of, just what we've interpreted certain experiences to be? I only mentioned it because it's the closest we see to get, if it's anything like death or dying.

Thanks for your replies, they mean a lot. I was kind of seeking ego death in my early years, but it was nowhere to be found.
In one experience, I seemingly blackout and found myself awake later on in another room.
That scared the hell out of me. Took me awhile to realize where I was
Still trying to figure out what it was… Stay vigilant and be safe

Maybe jesters are a manifestation of energy that drive our development.
Something that makes us confused and curious at the same time. Add some fear and joy here and there, and you have a potent mix.
Entities feel external though, no question about it.

 

[Voidmatrix]

Maybe jesters are a manifestation of energy that drive our development.
Something that makes us confused and curious at the same time. Add some fear and joy here and there, and you have a potent mix.
Entities feel external though, no question about it.

I sometimes wonder if they are cut and dry beings in some other dimension! When I feel them around and I don't even have visuals... It's hard not to feel like we're touching something that nothing we have as a paradigm has been able to adequately touch on. We just orbit around it, sometimes getting closer. We can't help but wonder.

One love

 

[northape]

I sometimes wonder if they are cut and dry beings in some other dimension! When I feel them around and I don't even have visuals... It's hard not to feel like we're touching something that nothing we have as a paradigm has been able to adequately touch on. We just orbit around it, sometimes getting closer. We can't help but wonder.

One love

The trickster energy is always here in the medicine work.
I see it most obvious in music during the sessions.
Like when right kind of song starts to play or when sound disappear altogether.
It's very difficult to fix your music set up when incapacitated
Once, I unknowingly drank on Shivaratri with my medicine playlist on shuffle.
It was playing “Om Namah Shivaya” most of the night. God and his forces are ever present.

 

[TheLastHit]

Your video gave me goosebumps
It was quite educational, and Bill Hicks at the end put a nail in the coffin.

Trungpa considered LSD samsara on steroids. Terence allegedly gave a Tibetan lama some DMT.
Lama reported back: "This is the lesser lights, the lesser lights of the Bardo. You cannot go further into the Bardo and return."
I agree with them. The only difference is that I see it useful to amplify illusion to the point of ridicule.
It is easier to see when you turn on the light. Another analogy would be cracking an egg.

Jesters seem to exist on the threshold between our ego and unity consciousness.
Are they the last line of defense for the ego or gatekeepers from the other side? What's the difference?
When one is able to relax and see what is hidden behind them, all is fine.
But if there is any resistance or an egoic will to make sense of it for this precious ME, things go very wrong very fast.

Tibetan Book of the Dead tells that bardo entities are manifestations of our mind.
If we are unable to recognize it, samsara keeps on spinning. What I am unsure about is this Mind they speak of.
I suspect that this Mind is on a level of magnitude higher than what I feel myself to be.

It seems that when ego dissolves, this bigger Mind remains. But we want to be present even on our own funerals (Trungpa again).
What I am trying to say is that the whole game seems to be not for us, but for the Being living in our Heart.
Or maybe it's for us, but put in order to let go and recognize this Being. I'm not sure myself, work in progress.
I don't want to acknowledge this inner self and surrender, so here I am writing stories.

Thank you everyone. This forum worked as an integration tool for me recently.

Thank you! And what a great read this was.

I do remember the Terrence line. The first time I blasted off I remember thinking "This is what dying feels like". Just popped into my head instantly, like I just knew.

I did not know that about the bardo entities being manifestations of the mind, I should give the thodol a re-read. What I gathered from your post is that... these entities are part of our mind because they exist in the mind of God...which is all there is and all that can be experienced. It's you, and it's me, and everyone else. So it's not that the Jesters are an illusion of our human psyche, just that once we awaken to the illusion of separation and break the cycle of rebirth and obtain unification with the source. It's all 1 thing in the mind of God.

When I saw the Jester, I was playing this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH98NEcuIEg

 

[TheLastHit]

I sometimes wonder if they are cut and dry beings in some other dimension! When I feel them around and I don't even have visuals... It's hard not to feel like we're touching something that nothing we have as a paradigm has been able to adequately touch on. We just orbit around it, sometimes getting closer. We can't help but wonder.

One love

I already love this thread...one time...4 years ago? 5? on 4 grams of B+ I walked into my kitchen at night and saw it was occupied by translucent elves, they were sitting all over the kitchen. I couldn't see them...but I saw their silhouettes and I could feel them...like you said...somehow I knew they were smiling at me. My first thought was to turn on the kitchen light and they all vanished. Since I started tripping I always wanted an entity encounter, some confirmation that psychedelics take you to places beyond the mind, that there's more to the world than materialism. Somehow my skeptical mind always tried rationalizing it, and they seemed happy to keep me on the edge of curiosity. In that state of wonder and awe, sometimes it's better to not know things, to just want to know, to imagine.


EDIT: to Tripolation whose post seems to be gone now. You made a good point about the labels our minds put on things. It loves to categorize and put stuff into neat little folders. Cant be done with the molecule. I think I made that mistake for a while. Thank you

 

[northape]

What I gathered from your post is that... these entities are part of our mind because they exist in the mind of God...which is all there is and all that can be experienced. It's you, and it's me, and everyone else. So it's not that the Jesters are an illusion of our human psyche, just that once we awaken to the illusion of separation and break the cycle of rebirth and obtain unification with the source. It's all 1 thing in the mind of God.

46 The Supreme is concealed when the world is seen, and conversely, when the Supreme is seen, the world disappears. Both cannot be seen distinctly, as two separate entities, at the same time, [just as] in a carved statue of a dog, the dog and the stone cannot be seen as two separate entities simultaneously.

47 The world that veils the Self through names and forms, and appears to be real, is only a dream-like appearance. If, instead, that very same world gets veiled by the Self and appears as consciousness alone, then, as the Self, it too is real. The world of triputis (seer, seeing and seen) is only the play of the power of consciousness.
— Guru Vachaka Kovai (Sri Ramana Maharshi)

That's the basis of my understanding. So jesters are unreal if we take our ego as reference point.
But from the perspective of consciousness, everything is real and in no way separate.

Bhagavan: What is the standard of reality? That alone is real which exists by itself,
which reveals itself by itself and which is eternal and unchanging. (Maharshi’s Gospel, p. 61.)

It's all philosophy by the way and very far from day-to-day stuff.
We consider real what we experience. So even dream characters kind of real from our point of view.
The same is true about fiction figures, myths and so on. They live in our psyche, even if immaterially.
Still, all this deemed an illusion in Indian systems. Consciousness alone is real.

Edit: Just rereading this post made my head hurt. It must've hurt on your side too.
Philosophy is an old folly of mine. I get triggered very easily, sorry.

Even Sri Ramana had 3 kinds of followers: 1st kind sat in his presence in silence and got it, 2nd kind wanted a practice
and 3rd kind had lots of questions. You get where I'm leading with this. Truth is simple, but we love complexity.

 

[Voidmatrix]

When I say cut and dry, I mean distinct from myself as you are distinct from me. Pretty wild if that's the case, but valid to me.

At the same time, I don't pick a camp, and operate contextually.

One love

 

[Tryptamineenthusiast]

This thread is incredible! What a great video! I love the cosmic joke theory and I think jesters pose both the problem and the solution. Encounters with jesters can be terrifying they often mock us, but sometimes too they make us laugh a hyperspace form of laughter that embodies the reaction we have to the absurdity of our world.

I got into DMT for this reason, I had questions about the mind, a deep existential ache that I needed answers for. The jesters are both the problem and the solution wrapped up in one. They inevitably force us to make the choice--be scared and run, or laugh along with them. From what I have gathered from reading the old threads, the video, and from my own experiences they seem to mostly appear when we do not give DMT respect. I personally do not think this is because DMT wants your respect, but quite the opposite, I believe this is the most true form of DMT.

I must quickly clarify what I mean by respect here. Life deserves respect in that all life is valuable and that life should be enjoyed to its fullest. Life does not deserve respect in the form of fear or worry or dread about the future or the events it might create. DMT, similarly, deserves respect in its ability to teach us things we have not yet put together. DMT does not deserve a dogmatic reverence or fear of its power.

DMT, or the mind, or hyperspace, or whatever you attribute to be responsible for the way a DMT experience goes, decides, "oh good!, she finally understands that nothing is worthy of respect she must be ready for the joke". Oftentimes we are not ready and we get scared, this is because we will never be able to fully get the joke; I think this is by design, the point is that we must laugh especially if we don't get it.

The lesson the jesters taught me is profound and is something I have yet to fully grasp much less implement in my own life, it sounds simple in words, but the ideas behind it are almost impossible to embody in the day to day. This is that our perception of things is what they are, if we perceive life as scary it is scary, if we perceive the jesters as scary they are scary, if we perceive ourselves as anxious, depressed, alone, afraid, unlovable, we become those things; likewise if we perceive the world and consciousness as a rare improbable thing to skip and wander through like a field of wildflowers, and further still, grant ourselves the power to transform bad experiences into good ones, we can achieve true meaning.

The jester is an ultimatum for those who are lost: "fear me forever or perform the backflip and join me in laughter". A bad trip is a bad trip only because we see it as such, a bad life is a bad life only because we see it as such, the opposite is equally possible for those skilled in the shaping of their own reality through thought. All is perception and perception is malleable.

Peace

 

[northape]

The jesters are both the problem and the solution wrapped up in one. They inevitably force us to make the choice--be scared and run, or laugh along with them.

Firstly, thank you for such a nice post. You put in words a very good approach to this whole phenomenon.
Philosophy aside, we need a pragmatic view on things that is workable in our day-to-day interaction with the world.
Jesters give me hibbie jibbies because some kind of change is always near this encounter.
To go into fear with courage and strength of spirit works wonders in both dmt space and our life.

 

[TheLastHit]

This thread is incredible! What a great video! I love the cosmic joke theory and I think jesters pose both the problem and the solution. Encounters with jesters can be terrifying they often mock us, but sometimes too they make us laugh a hyperspace form of laughter that embodies the reaction we have to the absurdity of our world.

I got into DMT for this reason, I had questions about the mind, a deep existential ache that I needed answers for. The jesters are both the problem and the solution wrapped up in one. They inevitably force us to make the choice--be scared and run, or laugh along with them. From what I have gathered from reading the old threads, the video, and from my own experiences they seem to mostly appear when we do not give DMT respect. I personally do not think this is because DMT wants your respect, but quite the opposite, I believe this is the most true form of DMT.

I must quickly clarify what I mean by respect here. Life deserves respect in that all life is valuable and that life should be enjoyed to its fullest. Life does not deserve respect in the form of fear or worry or dread about the future or the events it might create. DMT, similarly, deserves respect in its ability to teach us things we have not yet put together. DMT does not deserve a dogmatic reverence or fear of its power.

DMT, or the mind, or hyperspace, or whatever you attribute to be responsible for the way a DMT experience goes, decides, "oh good!, she finally understands that nothing is worthy of respect she must be ready for the joke". Oftentimes we are not ready and we get scared, this is because we will never be able to fully get the joke; I think this is by design, the point is that we must laugh especially if we don't get it.

The lesson the jesters taught me is profound and is something I have yet to fully grasp much less implement in my own life, it sounds simple in words, but the ideas behind it are almost impossible to embody in the day to day. This is that our perception of things is what they are, if we perceive life as scary it is scary, if we perceive the jesters as scary they are scary, if we perceive ourselves as anxious, depressed, alone, afraid, unlovable, we become those things; likewise if we perceive the world and consciousness as a rare improbable thing to skip and wander through like a field of wildflowers, and further still, grant ourselves the power to transform bad experiences into good ones, we can achieve true meaning.

The jester is an ultimatum for those who are lost: "fear me forever or perform the backflip and join me in laughter". A bad trip is a bad trip only because we see it as such, a bad life is a bad life only because we see it as such, the opposite is equally possible for those skilled in the shaping of their own reality through thought. All is perception and perception is malleable.

Peace

Thank you!

I enjoyed your post and this perspective as a whole.

 

[TheLastHit]

46 The Supreme is concealed when the world is seen, and conversely, when the Supreme is seen, the world disappears. Both cannot be seen distinctly, as two separate entities, at the same time, [just as] in a carved statue of a dog, the dog and the stone cannot be seen as two separate entities simultaneously.

47 The world that veils the Self through names and forms, and appears to be real, is only a dream-like appearance. If, instead, that very same world gets veiled by the Self and appears as consciousness alone, then, as the Self, it too is real. The world of triputis (seer, seeing and seen) is only the play of the power of consciousness.
— Guru Vachaka Kovai (Sri Ramana Maharshi)

That's the basis of my understanding. So jesters are unreal if we take our ego as reference point.
But from the perspective of consciousness, everything is real and in no way separate.

Bhagavan: What is the standard of reality? That alone is real which exists by itself,
which reveals itself by itself and which is eternal and unchanging. (Maharshi’s Gospel, p. 61.)

It's all philosophy by the way and very far from day-to-day stuff.
We consider real what we experience. So even dream characters kind of real from our point of view.
The same is true about fiction figures, myths and so on. They live in our psyche, even if immaterially.
Still, all this deemed an illusion in Indian systems. Consciousness alone is real.

Edit: Just rereading this post made my head hurt. It must've hurt on your side too.
Philosophy is an old folly of mine. I get triggered very easily, sorry.

Even Sri Ramana had 3 kinds of followers: 1st kind sat in his presence in silence and got it, 2nd kind wanted a practice
and 3rd kind had lots of questions. You get where I'm leading with this. Truth is simple, but we love complexity.

Don't apologize brother, philosophy is all we have to explore the metaphysical and you've piqued my interest in Maharshi's writings. I will have to add him to the reading list. I have always found Hindu idealism to be fascinating. The analogy of the carved statue of a dog is perfect. Like you said in the end it's all consciousness. Thank you for sharing your wisdom

 

[donfoolio]

I just wanted to add my two cents in regard of other traditions. In Africa yoruba as well as in diasporic spirituality, there is the orisha esu, quite a jester like trickster. He works as a psychopomp and a messenger to the divine.
We can find these figures in several places, some of them using also DMT like the Brazilian catimbo.
In their worldview, these entities are spirits of the dead (egun) or people that have become enchanted and transformed in material objects like rocks or plants.

We can find these concepts in quite other regions, like the dakinis in tantric Hinduism and Buddhism.

Some of the ideas in Nordic folklore and fairy tales are essentially jester like and here again we have the idea of the psychopomp - the entities that manage the coming of death.


This doesn't help in the philosophical discussion if these ideas are projections of our own ego/ consciousness or not , but these ideas are around for a longtime.

"You don't need to smoalk DMT to see the jesters, but it helps a lot" could be a paraphrase to get a deeper understanding of what is going on here. Cultures without obviously drug intake like voodoo work with these jester psychopomps as well as Ayahuasca related groups. It makes it just easier to see these energies in the first place with the help of tryptamines.

 

[northape]

Don't apologize brother, philosophy is all we have to explore the metaphysical and you've piqued my interest in Maharshi's writings. I will have to add him to the reading list. I have always found Hindu idealism to be fascinating. The analogy of the carved statue of a dog is perfect. Like you said in the end it's all consciousness. Thank you for sharing your wisdom

“Be As You Are: The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi” is available in all bookshops and online. It will cover most of anyone's curiosity.
His teaching considered to be Vedanta, but it is his own realization in a cultural clothing of Vedanta, really.
Very similar to dzogchen / mahamudra without unnecessary rituals and secrecy. Vajrayana folk tend to be quite fundamentalistic.

In response to my philosophical struggles, I'll quote Sri Ramana once again:
“There comes a time when one needs to put all the books aside…”