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Solving the DMT Jesters once and for all

donfoolio said:
I just wanted to add my two cents in regard of other traditions. In Africa yoruba as well as in diasporic spirituality, there is the orisha esu, quite a jester like trickster. He works as a psychopomp and a messenger to the divine.
We can find these figures in several places, some of them using also DMT like the Brazilian catimbo.
In their worldview, these entities are spirits of the dead (egun) or people that have become enchanted and transformed in material objects like rocks or plants.

We can find these concepts in quite other regions, like the dakinis in tantric Hinduism and Buddhism.

Some of the ideas in Nordic folklore and fairy tales are essentially jester like and here again we have the idea of the psychopomp - the entities that manage the coming of death.


This doesn't help in the philosophical discussion if these ideas are projections of our own ego/ consciousness or not , but these ideas are around for a longtime.

"You don't need to smoalk DMT to see the jesters, but it helps a lot" could be a paraphrase to get a deeper understanding of what is going on here. Cultures without obviously drug intake like voodoo work with these jester psychopomps as well as Ayahuasca related groups. It makes it just easier to see these energies in the first place with the help of tryptamines.
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The Orisha Eshu or Elegua was one of the first hints I had at these entities being noticed outside of DMT circles. It was years ago now that I had the thought. I grew up in a fundamentalist Christian household in Cuba, where the Yoruba religion is widespread. My family always told me these "santos" were demons. I rejected my Christian upbringing, went agnostic, did psychedelics, and regained my faith in something beyond materialism. But I do have a bit of cognitive dissonance from the whole thing.

There is a guy who made quite a few YouTube videos and then a book titled "The Nephilim looked like clowns". He highlights the widespread contact with them and takes the Christian angle of them being evil entities. Ive always been interested in the different entity archetypes and before having my own encounter, I was superficially aware of these ideas. I imagine it probably tainted the whole thing.

The belief that they're ancestor spirits is certainly more benign, but I have a hard time imagining death turns you into a 5-dimensional jester made of light. But perhaps "ancestor spirit" means something else altogether.
 
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oh boy, the trickster topic.... Hermes the patron of alchimist, loki, Heyoka, coyotes & raven, snakes and clowns ; i just can't imagine the path without " it"

Amazing video btw! thanks for the effort, and putting all of this together, i think it's well balanced , leaving it nicely open at the end !

So, Hermes birth story gives us good insights about the value of the trickster.

Hermes - son of Zeus and Maia - is born in a cave, "cast away" because illegitimate child. On his first day, he knows how to walk and talk; and he crave some fresh meat (even though, as a god, he is supposed to feed only on Ambrosia). His desire bring him on a quest - and he first find a turtle- which he kills to make a Lyre ( we got already an interesting link with music, vibration, strings, resonance.... ) . He continues his quest and stole the cows of Apollo (sun deity, so there's something about stealing from the source of energy ? ) , using clever tricks, like making the cows walk backward, putting leaves under his feet, crossing a river.
He then slaughter 2 cows, prepare the meat and cook it ; he is salivating but doesn't take one bite. Instead, he hang the meet in the stable. He hides all evidence (cover the fire with earth, throw left over in the river...)
He goes back in his craddle at home.
Apollo realize the cows are missing, goes on a quest , find out about hermes. He question him,but hermes denies : "how could i do such a thing? i'm just a 1 day old baby!"
The matter is brought to Zeus, and Hermes is cutly denying any responsability. Zeus, not blind to his game, order that he show where are the cows.
Appolo is glad to see his cows, but then realize there's 2 cows skin left on a rock ( the only evidence Hermes didn't hide). He is furious !
But hermes start to play the Lyre and sing the story of the Universe and the birth of the gods ; Appolo is so enchanted, and think this is worth more than 50 cows.
Therefor, Appolo receive the Lyre and learn music, and Hermes is made Keeper of the herd.

OK, so what do we got here?
First, desires (eating meet) are the initial driving force of the story ; but it's not about fullfiling them, but to use this force for higher purpose ( a bit like Tantra?)
In this case, the desobedience is a RESTRUCTURATION of the order of things ; Hermes, Son of Zeus is ultimatly recognize and become part of the Gods. It's not just a story taking place within the hierarchy and structure of the Divine - or outside of it, it's a story about how position and power move through different planes.
Last but not Least, this is a story about REPRESENTATION and SYMBOL ; the meat isn't meat anymore, but a token, a symbol of the act of stealing ; it is not made to be eaten anymore. Plus, lying is the birth of imagination ( imagination is a form of "lie" , a made up reality) , and imagination + symbol is the basic of MODELING of reality, consciousness creating a mirror reality. But notice that ultimately, what was a lie become "reality" ... the stolen cows are for him to keep!


In many other story, the trickster break the duality ...
Like when a hunter invent a trap with a bait, the trickster come, and steal the bait ( breaking the duality pray/hunter) ; and stealing the technic - the trickster hasn't a "personal" strategy, he can make use of anything, take the traits of whatever suits the situation - he is the shapeshifter. And Humans are very much like this too...
 
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please refer to the book "Trickster Makes this World" de lewis Hyde (on Z-lib or so... ) , this is a must to read if you interested in the trickster.


The trickster can't be contained ; he always mess with the expected, with the dogma. His power of transformation is outside the ceremony space.It's when you jump the fence, and synchronisities start to melt the rational mind in an acid bath. You can repress him, contain the space, put borders in. And it will hold, here and there ; but on the larger picture; there's always a crack for the lizard to go through,for the Light to sneak in. Nature always recovers it's Rights. No human edification holds forever. Tricksters is there to remind u sit's not all about our own healing – he might even whisper to youthat your whole idea of healing might not be what you think it is at ALL. Purpose and benefits – capital and profits all belong to thesame linear mind. Who knows and who doesn't, who has the power and who is foolish – all can be quickly inverted. Did you ever starteda ceremony, and allow thing to make no sense ? To become a circus? There's magic there that taste like fresh blackberriesfrom the bush. No supermarket gonna sell you that luxury. And there's a portal, pass which university degrees and fancy training is only of limited use. As the tricksters is the bridge to power beyond human intelligence.

Inviting thetrickster might also bring the power of “activation” , whenpeople reclaim the power inside of them – they are not any more a mere observer of the trip, laying down quietly – but they are active participant, reshaping the world around them – and this might manifest through dance, sound, theatre, interraction of all kind with visible and invisible beings (that's the reason I can't go to ayahuasca circle, where we are confine in individual, quiet space,for the “respect” of everybody else).

Ultimately, thetrickster bring a smile, humour, LIGHTNESS to the space. It breaks the seriousness of any ritual ; it turn everything into a caricature of itself ; it make us look in the mirror and laugh at ourself –“what were we thinking??!!”. This is the grease that ease the articulation of a renew consciousness ; it's the versability,shapeshifting property of adaptable brain, that embraces reality asit is, with the playfulness of a child.


These are generalthoughts. The thing is, the tricksters can't be nailed down. Eventrying to “include” him might never really work. The world ismade of pattern, science is the study of reppetion within repeatablesituation. But each situation is ultimately unique, irreductible andin some subtle way, improbable and impredictable.
 
For me with my current philosophy, they are all me. But you are all me also. As I am you. There is only one awareness. Fragmented endlessly for the purpose of, quite simply, something to do. Something that is not the eternal void. But we are it, the only it.

The terrifying nature of the fractal levels of conciousness was shown to me briefly. A taste of the infinite. We play this game of fragmented awareness because the empty infinity we have as an alternative is so difficult to endure. There lies nothing but insanity and chaos.

We forget, to enable the game. But the jesters are me communicating with me. Just as now I am communicating with this forum that is made of us. That is me and us and you all at once.

But I have no proof, of course. Just ideas and instincts.

In any case, I find it even more bewildering that you exist. A three dimensionally bound awareness playing the same game as me.


If we really stop and think about it... the fact that billions of other human entities interact with me, you and each other every day...this is completely insane.

I'd like to finally solve what you are once and for all...far more than anything I've encountered in hyperspace.
 
It is phenomenal that you exist also Mr Void and I am grateful that you do. Hyperspace only seems weird when we get so comfortable with existing in the first place
 
Quetzal7 said:
please refer to the book "Trickster Makes this World" de lewis Hyde (on Z-lib or so... ) , this is a must to read if you interested in the trickster.


The trickster can't be contained ; he always mess with the expected, with the dogma. His power of transformation is outside the ceremony space.It's when you jump the fence, and synchronisities start to melt the rational mind in an acid bath. You can repress him, contain the space, put borders in. And it will hold, here and there ; but on the larger picture; there's always a crack for the lizard to go through,for the Light to sneak in. Nature always recovers it's Rights. No human edification holds forever. Tricksters is there to remind u sit's not all about our own healing – he might even whisper to youthat your whole idea of healing might not be what you think it is at ALL. Purpose and benefits – capital and profits all belong to thesame linear mind. Who knows and who doesn't, who has the power and who is foolish – all can be quickly inverted. Did you ever starteda ceremony, and allow thing to make no sense ? To become a circus? There's magic there that taste like fresh blackberriesfrom the bush. No supermarket gonna sell you that luxury. And there's a portal, pass which university degrees and fancy training is only of limited use. As the tricksters is the bridge to power beyond human intelligence.

Inviting thetrickster might also bring the power of “activation” , whenpeople reclaim the power inside of them – they are not any more a mere observer of the trip, laying down quietly – but they are active participant, reshaping the world around them – and this might manifest through dance, sound, theatre, interraction of all kind with visible and invisible beings (that's the reason I can't go to ayahuasca circle, where we are confine in individual, quiet space,for the “respect” of everybody else).

Ultimately, thetrickster bring a smile, humour, LIGHTNESS to the space. It breaks the seriousness of any ritual ; it turn everything into a caricature of itself ; it make us look in the mirror and laugh at ourself –“what were we thinking??!!”. This is the grease that ease the articulation of a renew consciousness ; it's the versability,shapeshifting property of adaptable brain, that embraces reality asit is, with the playfulness of a child.


These are generalthoughts. The thing is, the tricksters can't be nailed down. Eventrying to “include” him might never really work. The world ismade of pattern, science is the study of reppetion within repeatablesituation. But each situation is ultimately unique, irreductible andin some subtle way, improbable and impredictable.
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Wow, thank you for sharing. I didn't even mention the synchronicities I had surrounding this experience. I guess I was too lazy to, but it's like a joke, if you have to explain it, it doesn't work. It was one of the things that added to the weirdness of the whole thing. Great breakdown of the trickster, and I've added the Lewis Hyde book to my reading list. I just started Synchronicity: Through the Eyes of Science, Myth and the Trickster by Allan Combs. I hope to understand the whole thing a bit better. They were really odd...like my friend randomly shows up with a Northface bookbag that says "Jester" which I didn't know existed (found a similar one online pic below ). Or I'm playing charades / headsup and my card happens to be DMT...and a few other little things like these. All within a short time of my jester encounter.

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fink said:
For me with my current philosophy, they are all me. But you are all me also. As I am you. There is only one awareness. Fragmented endlessly for the purpose of, quite simply, something to do. Something that is not the eternal void. But we are it, the only it.

The terrifying nature of the fractal levels of conciousness was shown to me briefly. A taste of the infinite. We play this game of fragmented awareness because the empty infinity we have as an alternative is so difficult to endure. There lies nothing but insanity and chaos.

We forget, to enable the game. But the jesters are me communicating with me. Just as now I am communicating with this forum that is made of us. That is me and us and you all at once.

But I have no proof, of course. Just ideas and instincts.

In any case, I find it even more bewildering that you exist. A three dimensionally bound awareness playing the same game as me.


If we really stop and think about it... the fact that billions of other human entities interact with me, you and each other every day...this is completely insane.

I'd like to finally solve what you are once and for all...far more than anything I've encountered in hyperspace.
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Well put, and I agree with you, the one has become many, although it's sometimes difficult to embody the faith in our day-to-day ego game. I too was always amazed by the fact that other people exist or that I exist for that matter. Matter...on some level that's where my interest in entities lies, proving that something beyond the materialist framework exists. That seems like one way. But I've come to learn you cant prove those type of things, you can only know them through experience. A part of me still clings to the materialist conception because the reality of the DMT as you call it..."fractal levels of consciousness" is so off-putting you sometimes would rather imagine it's all drugs in your brain. Maybe I'm the only one still struggling with these internal dilemmas lol, it's part of the reason I haven't tripped since this experience. But ultimately, I think focusing on that initial truth is the key. And when we know the self we know the other.
 
@TheLastHit You're right, I feel it too. Atheism is a wonderful sedative. Perfect defence mechanism. We need it sometimes to enjoy this reality. That abyss would be way too overpowering in anything more than short bursts.

The material world represents the toys in a baby's crib to pacify our developing souls. No shame in playing with them.
 
Holy smokes I didn't know I needed to hold a doctorate in ethnopharmacology to make sense of the silly jester that I swear looked just like the 90's graffiti bong joker who was telepathically trying to break me, I could feel it with his menacing grin. As I stood there relaying thoughts of who is this trying to break me that all of my ancestors gave it their all to get me to this point, he has no power over me. His power lessened along with the effects.

This session was after a spat with the family to get a renewed sense of appreciation that some things are worse than death and that is simply to take everything too seriously and find out.
 
universecannon said:
They disappeared by adding coherence to the state via sympathetic resonance (acoustic + phononic)
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I was stumbling over and reading through this and the linked Annoying entities... thread. Ok, so now I'm quite undecided if I'm happy to have found it or not, right in the preparation phase for my next experience (I'm still dialing in myself to this substance and the vape*).

This thread (linked somewhere in the discussion) about gutteral sounds relates to your post, and I found it quite interesting.

I wonder if one could try to 'bind' the intentions to some sound in preparation meditations and then trying to take this into the trip.
Not with the goal to 'dispel' the jesters et. al., which I guess might go wrong also, but to help preventing being pushed / or pushing oneself? over the ridge of horror.Do you have experience with this?

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* I was initially planning to 'practice' a bit with increasing amounts before going for a breakthrough. However these discussions made me wonder if this is actually a good approach, not traveling through with high dosage, but staying in the realms between here and breakthrough... Any thought on this?
 
Sound is a powerful ally. I haven't been able to practice this myself, but many use throat chants/mantras, breathing/singing techniques, drumming to dispel negative energies.
I think if you incorporate such things in your daily life, they can be powerful allies during the trip to ground you and dispel negativity.

I get your "not sure if I am happy that I read that" vibe, I also think it's more beneficial to be prepared for any outcome, or at least have some understanding that there is the whole spectra of psychedelic phenomena.

> * I was initially planning to 'practice' a bit with increasing amounts before going for a breakthrough. However these discussions made me wonder if this is actually a good approach, not traveling through with high dosage, but staying in the realms between here and breakthrough... Any thought on this?

Always good to approach slowly. Sometimes there can be an unexpected breakthrough, "omg what is happening, did I really do myself this time?" type of trip, it can happen even on lower doses.
 
isntme said:
I was stumbling over and reading through this and the linked Annoying entities... thread. Ok, so now I'm quite undecided if I'm happy to have found it or not, right in the preparation phase for my next experience (I'm still dialing in myself to this substance and the vape*).

This thread (linked somewhere in the discussion) about gutteral sounds relates to your post, and I found it quite interesting.

I wonder if one could try to 'bind' the intentions to some sound in preparation meditations and then trying to take this into the trip.
Not with the goal to 'dispel' the jesters et. al., which I guess might go wrong also, but to help preventing being pushed / or pushing oneself? over the ridge of horror.Do you have experience with this?

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* I was initially planning to 'practice' a bit with increasing amounts before going for a breakthrough. However these discussions made me wonder if this is actually a good approach, not traveling through with high dosage, but staying in the realms between here and breakthrough... Any thought on this?
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Globals post in the linked thread is a good example of using sound to bring coherence/clear negative "entities". It's not at all surprising given sound has been employed by shamans worldwide and has a very immediate effect on our brains electromagnetic/phononic field. Throat singing has helped me many times.

My post in the Annoying Entities thread further elaborates on the reasoning behind all this. I don't even bother smoking breakthrough amounts anymore. 100-200ug LSD and sub-breakthrough doses of changa or DMT combined with acoustics, eye gazing with a human or large chunk of amethyst (see phononic resonators) is far more useful, focused and mind boggling with just a bit of practice.
 
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