Some marijuana and Salvia questions

[Raziel_nx]

/edited the title so people would understand when looking at it ty for the advice


Hello all

I had a problem and i want some answers, tried googling it but most replies come from yahoo answers and have no relevance to the question whatsoever. The questions would be basically Why does my girlfriend react paranoid to weed?

I have not seen paranoia or hospitalized people but this one scared the hell out of me. She wanted to smoke some weed for the 2nd time of her life (long story short it was her and her friends idea, i dont like to tell ppl what to smoke) I have to agree that this was some hard shit the strongest i have ever smoked, so basically after the smoke, 30 - 1h of laughing, we were really high, but after that everyone got chilled but her. She started thinking that "we are all against her" and "we want to hurt her" and she thought it was all a play and we were faking everything. I could barely get her to drink water and so. This lasted around one hour or so. While this she couldnt leave her hands and feet alone and she was constantly moving them i have no idea why. I have seen some movies and the crazy hospitalized paranoid people are what my GF looked like for one whole hour. I tried talking to her and the sort but she did not believe one word i said some times she even mocked me like i said "babe everythings gonna be allright you just one a bad trip" and she repeats my words in mocking tome.

After that one hour she got better and could chill out like the rest of us. She told me she did not regret it but she remembers everything and it was the worse one hour of her life. She told me she remembers it like the drug addicts in trainspotting-like films, when you "live in cut scenes" and she remembers believeing 100% that we were against her.

How the flying hell can weed cause this? Last time i saw these kind of reactions it was on youtube when i searched salvia trip. Total crazy.

I did some google but not much.

My question is: Could there be any health issues that she has that could cause this? Should any action be taken? I mean could weed reveal some deep illness in her that we simply did not see before? Or was this a typicall bad tripp?


On a side note, after that trip, me and a friend smoked the same stuff again and she was there and she wanted a few shots sho she took 3. The effects were the same, but for much less time, laughing 15minutes paranoia 15minutes and a few hours of chilling out...

In this 15 minutes i kept telling her that she already passed this scene once and it is nothing new, but she did not listen ... This was the time i decided she wouldnt smoke at least while i am around.


Sorry for long story and bad place to post, but i like this forum and maybe some of you have a book to reccommend or a good answer.

Besides answers, any tipps are welcome, i was never in a situation like this, she is my first gf and we are together for almost one year now. I am 21 and she is 19..

 

[anonenium]

there is actually a receptor in your brain that causes agitation which can be stimulated, i dont have the precise details in front of my but its not a case of proper mind set problem some plants will just stimulate that part of the brain and there is nothing to do.

try something a little more indica, but she is just one of those people, wrong combination of plant and person, a new plant will probably solve the problem.

have a single 15mg valium nearby in case she has a panic attack, otherwise dont worry about it she will be fine.

as for where to post this, the faq (where it is now) or welcome discussion is fine.

otherwise welcome here.

 

[Raziel_nx]

ah i see, thanks

 

[WEM]

She wanted to smoke some weed for the 2nd time of her life

I have to agree that this was some hard shit the strongest i have ever smoked

It could simply be that combination, I remember the first few times I smoked weed, first two times was regular mids, didn't really feel all that high but had the munchies and laughed a lot. The 3rd time I ever smoked, I smoked Mango Kush out of a bong with ice water, after about 15 minutes I passed out for another 15 minutes, woke up, couldn't remember my name, was so high I could barely stand, couldn't figure out how to speak, basically I just sat there and looked around the room for a little bit stoned out of my mind, after standing up and walking around a bit I sobered up some...

It could be because her body isn't used to being high yet, and because she smoked such a potent strain, it was just too much for her brain to comprehend, so she panicked. If she wants to continue smoking weed I suggest she stays away from the more potent strains until she's more experienced with the regular mid grade weed. anonenium's suggestion for trying an indica strain could also work too.

 

[soulthatcreates]

Try to find a strain with more CBD.

...or try something like this after toking.

more infos here.

 

[Vodsel]

there is actually a receptor in your brain that causes agitation which can be stimulated

This is quite a vague claim. If you could provide any references or pointers it would be appreciated, so we know what you mean.

some plants will just stimulate that part of the brain and there is nothing to do.

And this is more than vague. Which plants? Which part of the brain? Why there's nothing we can do?

 

[Mustelid]

We're all wired differently. Some people should be careful to not go overboard. I know that I won't just pass out if I smoke too much, rather I'll get uncomfortable and agitated.
I'm ok if I don't smoke too quickly or too much, we shouldn't always try to "keep up" with the rest of the group.

Some people shouldn't smoke at all either. If it always triggers negativity, then cannabis isn't for you. There seems to be some evidence found that a small percentage of people have THC flood a part of their brain with dopamine similarly to what happens with schizophrenia. I don't see this as damning to marijuana as it's a small segment of the population, and it's very easy to just not smoke.

 

[Raziel_nx]

I see thanks for all the good replies im gona translate all this and tell her what you guys said, she is a bit freaked out because she has read some of the "if you are uncomfortable with weed you have deep mental illness" crap on the net

 

[anonenium]

there is actually a receptor in your brain that causes agitation which can be stimulated

This is quite a vague claim. If you could provide any references or pointers it would be appreciated, so we know what you mean.

some plants will just stimulate that part of the brain and there is nothing to do.

And this is more than vague. Which plants? Which part of the brain? Why there's nothing we can do?

i was recalling a study i read a few years ago linking different forms of stimulus reactions, i cant find it but this is roughly how it went.

in a minority of people there is a hardwiring between the hunger reflex and the anxiety reflex, (when a person is hungry they get agitated), this can in turn cause any hunger causing chemical or stimulus to also cause irritability, while on the flip of a coin a diuretic can be used as a anti anxiety medication in the same population, this also means that in theory a person who is like this could be lulled into felling less hungry by having there agitation soothed.

the basic jest of what i said before was that a plant with more indica traits (couldnt think of the name of the chemical before but it was mentioned above CBD) would counteract this effect to a degree.

sorry for being vague i was trying to piece together old memories and form a coherent sentence, wasnt doing a very good job, and since i cant provide sources im still not doing a very good job, but that was the memory i was basing what i said off of.

get a new plant that is a bit more indica she will be fine and please tell here that anyone who says "if you are uncomfortable with weed you have deep mental illness" most likely already does have mental issues and is trying to use this plant not only as a bandaid, but also as a justification for their own sanity, because rest assured i have a known people who have had horrible lives and they have smoked like its their form of oxygen, you cant make sweeping judgment off one event just like you cant judge people.

makes some smores before the next doobie doo and she will be so interested in eatting them she will have no time to be paranoid.

 

[dakkapel]

Hello all

The questions would be basically Why does my girlfriend react paranoid to weed?

My question is: Could there be any health issues that she has that could cause this? Should any action be taken? I mean could weed reveal some deep illness in her that we simply did not see before? Or was this a typicall bad tripp?

Besides answers, any tipps are welcome, i was never in a situation like this, she is my first gf and we are together for almost one year now. I am 21 and she is 19..

Well it is no indication of mental problems!

Most of my friends (me included) stopped smoking weed because of the mental side-effects. I quieted when I was 19 years old. In the beginning I am relaxed and having fun, but at one moment I get an overflow of info and I get hyper-conscious of everything and I feel uncomfortable with that. Every time I smoked it since my 18th I felt uncomfortable and a bit paranoia. Before I was a regular smoker, but the effect changed. I never saw it as a problem. Other friends have the same story. At the same time I have friends who still smoke daily.

It is said that the level of CBD is important. And the levels of cbd were dropping in the region I am living.

If she wants to smoke still. You should smoke a couple of times with her in a more intimate setting. So you can give her a feeling of safety in the experience. You can make her feel at ease. After a couple of good experiences with you she can learn how to handle with herself at a moment paranoid thoughts comes up.

 

[Raziel_nx]

Thanks, thats what i did now, we smoked some and it was better she got really high but much less paranoia she was taking control of the high it was fun

 

[dakkapel]

Nice

 

[ntwhtyouknw]

The first time I got really really stoned I lost my cool. Totally flipped. I made a pbj sandwich because I was hungry and realized there was no way in hell I could eat the thing. I sat on the couch and realized I couldnt move and when I told my friend he laughed and said "dude your stoned". I thought that in that miment I had discovered the true meaning of being stoned was to not be able to move like a stone. I thought I would be like that forever and that it had been my buddies plan all along to stone me....forever.... I heard my mom pull up and boy did I move then, only there was no hiding it so I fessed up. After a few hours I was fine but still shaken.

I still get a bit paranoid sometimes but I like to smoke so I have found a few tricks to minimize it.

First off I only take in a small hit at first, let it kick in, then wait until Ive adjusted to the way I feel before I take more, about half an hour to an hour. If I chief a lot in one sitting without a little in my system Im sure to wig out.

Finding ideal strains helps. Some strains are just so cerebral they give me a certain level of paranoia.

Set and setting of course play a big role. I like to smoke with people who are chill.

Being somewere I dont have to worry about being interupted, which is home for me mainly or a close friends.

Honestly though the first tip works best for me, if I take it in a little at a time I find that after a bit I can smoke freely and get quite high with minimal paranoia, I just have to avoid the sudden rush from sober to:surprised baaaked.

Tolerence also plays a role, even veteraned smokers can find themselves paranoid if they stop for a while and the get really high from lack of tolerence.

 

[dakkapel]

Tolerence also plays a role, even veteraned smokers can find themselves paranoid if they stop for a while and the get really high from lack of tolerence.

Yeah you are totally right! The first time you feel uncomfortable and then the next day you smoke again and you feel more at ease.

 

[Raziel_nx]

Yes that was actually my next plan for her believe it or not. On erowid i have read an experience report of a person who did Salvia 7 or so times in a row. And from his point of view the first few shots were mostly dominant in fear but the last few were really enjoyable so my idea was since my gf was new to weed we could do something like dat slowly taking the doses up Thanks now that i told her your story she feels even more comfortable with doing it again


On a side note, are there any experienced salvia users here? I have been trying to get my hands on a salvia plant for almost a year and i finally found someone who will sell me one in april, so im doing some research and what i concluded is similar to her and the weed. Basically my aim is to break through salvia with no fear or paranoia or possibly any bad feelings. When i look around most of the reports are first timers-or so, trying out waaaaaay high doses and than jumping out of windows and shit. My idea was to smoke leaves only, start slowly and go up. Will this have similar effects to your weed theory? (also these times i re thought my cannabis experiences and realized i am the same with weed, sometimes i get mild paranoia but it passes and opens a gate to re smoking it again in the near future)


Sory for all these questions, the more i learn the more i realize how much i dont know about stuff like this...

 

[dakkapel]

On a side note, are there any experienced salvia users here? I have been trying to get my hands on a salvia plant for almost a year and i finally found someone who will sell me one in april

I did it once. But the trick is to have a higher concentration. 10X 20X 50X. In Europe you can buy it online quite easy.

 

[Raziel_nx]

Thing is, when you talk to me you gotta remember i am european only geographically i am not in the european union, and if i buy any kind of stuff it has to go through the border, and they wont let these kind of things get passed so buying most of the "legal" highs is not an option for me, which might sound bad but for me it makes things more exciting

 

[ntwhtyouknw]

Also maybe consider renaming your thread to reflect the content and question. This way it can be of help to anyone looking for similar answers.