Someone I introduced to DMT was immune, will he ever be able to trip on it?

[Lyghtsout]

I have introduced close to 30 people to DMT and never experienced this. I broke through big time, then right after delivered him dam near 80mg and he had no effect whatsover. Not even a buzz. I used an oil burner which I have perfected the technique of smoking DMT with, I almost broke through just clearing the pipe and cooling down the DMT. He held in 10 seconds, I even gave him a massive hit where he ghost inhaled nothing.

I really would like to share this experience with him, is it possible he's a rare percentage that's immune to DMT's effects? I'm considering giving him another go in a couple weeks. He said the first time he smoked THC he got stoned out his mind, me and a lot of people I know didn't get effects the first time we smoked THC. Maybe it's like that for him with DMT, that's the best theory I've come up with.

Has anyone experienced anything like this?

 

[Sabnock]

Only thing i can think of would be if he were on some sort of medication that antagonizes the serotonin receptors that DMT binds to. Other than that, idk.

 

[arcologist]

I have a pretty high tolerance to DMT, see recent thread on the subject. I need 80+ mg to consistently break through, and that is with efficient smoking methods. So, it's not unheard of for people to not have effects. Are you sure he got the whole dose? Oil burners can be hard to completely vaporize without burning the DMT.

Like Sabnock said, it could also be some medication interaction. I find it hard to believe that he would consistently be totally immune though. It might be interesting to try it with an MAOI to see if there is any difference.

 

[Lyghtsout]

Yeah I'm sure, I have introduced 30 people with the same method all that didn't hesitate broke through their first time and other times. Also I loaded 100mg and it was almost gone. I just cleared the pipe and kept airflow to cool the DMT down and I started tripping face.

I'm gonna ask if he's on any medications, haven't thought of that. Are there any supplements that can block the effects?

Weird, I feel bad for him and have learned to appreciate my ability to go to hyperspace. I require 20mg to break through.

 

[DreaMTripper]

Funny this thread has come up as a girl I know said earlier she had mimimal effects from MDMA whereas the others were flying..

 

[Spiralout]

I feel like the effects can be very subjective, especially with people who have little or no psychedelic expierence and people with alot of experience.

Try to have them changeup there mindset etc. Have they had experience with tryptamines?

 

[TheSacredTree]

The same thing happens to me with both alcohol and benzos. Nomatter how much i drink, i just cannot get drunk. Just a light buzz. Probably as they said either a medication he takes or he's just a rare immune person like i am with my alc.

 

[hopefull]

I wouldn't give up on dmt with him yet but maybe if you gave 3.5g of shrooms or a tab or 2 of acid. Maybe even try salvia. It might maybe open his mind up to the experience before his brain allows him to blast off into hyperspace. Not the most scientific answer but stranger things have happened before! Haha

 

[The Black Cat]

Thanks for this post. I have had similar issues. Mushrooms had never worked on me. I always thought I was being ripped off but then all my friends would turn into jellyfish on the mushrooms. In my late 20's and after a lot of pharmacology classes I started doing ayahuasca several times per month with not much of a response. In between aya I would do rue and mushrooms, several times per month. The only change I noticed is that my life just got significantly better and over all happiness was rolling. Eventually after much trial and error I had my break through. I had to surrender my life for it to happen. Then my "breakthrough" was unlike anything I ever read or heard about. It lasted for three months. Definitely changed my life for the better. I plan on putting the story into art so it will be easier to under stand. Multiple concentric spheres representing different chakras with i-ching separating them and numerology separating the i-ching and correlating to the rise in octave vibrations(doe, ray, me, fa, so, la, te, doe). For three months. I still have not tried DMT though.

Years later my life has deteriorated because of lack of integration and certainly lack of a supportive community to help me be objective and grounded regarding my subjective experiences. Since then I feel like I must have turned my back on those three months. My life is in a lot of pain now. I have tried everything else except returning to aya anologues and hope that DMT can help me live that vision that was so wonderful and connected me to the oneness and full of purpose.

Thanks for the post.

 

[User1911]

I had a friend like that, turns out he was just keeping the smoke in his mouth and not really inhaling. I had another friend who I think has some type of add, he just needs a bigger dose. I introduced him to changa and he was flying high. Maybe try smoking a different way with him and see what happens.

 

[beacon]

does he dream?

 

[Warrior]

Some people have a mystical experience and immediately go off the handle. They can't keep their cool.

Some people have a mystical experience and they can tune it out, completely ignoring it. They're way too good at keeping their cool. They can be described as internally strong willed, and not yet ready to let go.

The balance is somewhere in between. Everyone here would agree on that. It's the in-between that we all exist in every day.

Individual difference and its variation is an incredibly fascinating thing.

 

[Spiralout]

Like hopefull said I would try giving him a different psychedlic if he isn't experienced.

Herosjourney, I would like to hear more about your expierence. You took a psychedlic (ayahuasca? ) and it was a catalyst for a 3 month long perception shift? You were functional during these 3 months? And the multiple psychedelic doses you had taken before had in fact next to no conscious effect? It is very unfortunate our world these days is not very compatible with integrating experiences. This is a big problem for me, its hard for me to fit into this world.

Sorry not trying to shift the thread subject. I would write more about my difficulties integrating my experiences (and in turn myself) into this society. Unfortunately i have no computer yet and am on a phone; huge pain to type. Makes me really sad that people don't seem to understand my views on things. Its like the fact that i don't care about material things freaks people out, i feel like people think I'm crazy or just trying to be better than them or something.

I just dont care about the bullshit. I just want a house, a family , food , a warm bed and simply be allowed to be me. Sorry for the rant :/

 

[PrimalWisdom]

My wife is the same (she takes no medication at all and is healthy) I am far gone with as little at 20-30mgs. I wouldn't let her vape more than 90mgs, she held 3 deep hits for as long as she could, breathed out and said "it's a bit like weak mushrooms" at this point I was still "coming home" by the time I was baseline, she had gone to make some tea and was ready to go to bed.

I tried again with a pretty strong changa mix (using extracted harmalas and 40x caapi leaf extract, with about a 1:2 ratio DMT to leaf. My experience lasted around 20 minutes, she again felt minimal effects and cleared 2 bowls as opposed to my 1 bowl.

It still baffles me. LSD, Mesc, Shrooms, MDMA, 2c's all work for her, but she has never gotten anything more than a slightly wavy "weak mushroom effect" from DMT.

She is too scared that pharma or aya might just make her sick as she would have to have a pretty hefty dose - even though I suggested we start her low and work up, using changa as a booster if needed. I hope she agrees to try it eventually.

As to why she gets no effect I have no answers or even the slightest idea. maybe she's pumped full of it naturally or she is basically made of MAO?

Peace

PW

 

[Spiralout]

I'm kinda thinking along the lines of what you said PrimalWisdom; maybe some people have different enzymes or higher concentrations of certain enzymes? I'm pretty sure you can be lacking in certain enzymes , maybe some people have enzymes that destroy dmt even quicker and more efficiently than most?

As you said this tolerance has been seen by me with only dmt in certain people. These people took other psychedelics and had a much lower threshhold with them.

Recently someone I am friends with took about a 12mg dose of 4aco dmt. It was her first time taking any psychoactive. She felt the dose fairly strongly considering how much she took, about as strong as I figured she would feel it. I probably would have needed to take about 18mg to get where she was at.

She tried smoking an infused blend a month or 2 later. She had trouble smoking as she had never smoked anything before. Eventually after a couple small wasted bowls that were coughed out of not lit correctly she was able to use the bowl. She smoked a good decent size bowl in 3 or 4 good slow hits and was able to hold them in for an appropriate amount of time.

This resulted in some effect but much less than i would have felt. I have a pretty moderate tolerance to psychedelics that has varied over the years. I am able to choose to let go almost. At the same time if i take a high enough dose of something I will have to let go and surrender to the flow. Its like since i am pretty familiar with the psychedelic (especially tryptamine) place i am able to tune into it easier than most and resist it easier than most.

Other people that are less familiar tend to not know what to expect and seem to be more reactive than proactive if that makes any sense. And if not they will be almost hypervigilant looking for effects. I think this is why these things lead some people to meditation. The meditatve state is where i have the most centered , feelingfull , meaningful experiences.

 

[The Black Cat]

Herosjourney, I would like to hear more about your expierence. You took a psychedlic (ayahuasca? ) and it was a catalyst for a 3 month long perception shift? You were functional during these 3 months? And the multiple psychedelic doses you had taken before had in fact next to no conscious effect? It is very unfortunate our world these days is not very compatible with integrating experiences. This is a big problem for me, its hard for me to fit into this world.

Very kind words Spractal.

Yes, I took an aya analogue and many other herbs. It lasted for at least three months and was in orbit to my life for another year or so. I had taken lots of psychedelics many many times but they never worked. I could appear some what functional but I had to limit my exposure to other people. Do you know the different states of consciousness, as far as medicine goes? beta, alpha, theta, delta? It was as if I was locked in theta or delta if I was undisturbed. I would have to pull myself out of it. Caffeine was a little helpful but would wear off very quickly.

I just posted my Intro Essay, it goes into it a little more. Please check it out

Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

 

[Spiralout]

I will read your intro heroesjourney but first want to respond to this thread. Which herbs and (chemicals?) Did you use? Im not sure what an ayahuasca analogue is, is it basically pharmuasca or whatever most people call it?

I find it very interesting that this happened, what do you feel like it was that changed the situation for it to have such a stronger and different effect on you? Im just curious, you can never really know for sure I suppose. I can't remember much about the different catergories of brainwaves, just that certain frequencies imply certain general states of consciousness. Im not even sure where or how these "waves" are occuring...

I hear ya about needing time to yourself. For me its almost like i need it not only to ponder over things but also because alot of people just seem to interfere with my psyche in a way. I am sort of fimding myself right now and I feel like this is a temporary stage for me. I am realizing how "wrong" i have lived my life thus far and starting to cope with and actually say, yes i did these things wrong, but i can choose not to do them again and realize they are not me. The past is the past. Life is a long strange journey and i feel like so much has changed for me over the past year.



Warrior, I didn't see your post, this is essentially exactly how i feel about the matter. And the in between is where to be.

 

[The Black Cat]

Sure, I was motivated to post my intro because I did not want to distract this thread.

As far as different herbs, I need a little time to remember and articulate completely. I had started working at a Native American hospital. This hospital had open arms to tribal medicine men. The entire medical staff would welcome these Medicine People to work along side the doctors and hospital staff. It was a completely new experience for me. I was learning from the locals about different plants and would try them under their guidance. I will make some phone calls and get the names of the plants.

One important thing that I contribute to the extended "trip" was shortly after I arrived on the rez is that I was devastated by the death of someone very very close to me. The emotional experience is indescribable. This I could not cope with. The whole town new I was not coping. After about two weeks of walking around like a zombie or crying uncontrollably they acted on it. About 5 am at the end of a night shift two men grabbed me, very gently guided me off campus to a sweat lodge. It was there they introduced me to a magical drink of peyote and other herbs. What followed cured me of the despair I was feeling but the sadness has never left or diminished.

The brainwaves:
Beta-12-30 Hz= random uncontrollable thoughts. Pleasures of the flesh
Alpha 7.5-12 Hz= awareness of emotions and feeling of other life. Necessary for cognitive healing
Theta 4-7.5 Hz= the Spirit World. Necessary for emotional healing
Delta <4 Hz= Realm of the Shaman. Necessary for physical healing

Having a relationship with Ayahuasca and her relatives increases ones capacity for empathy because the Earth needs us to grow this way in order for the Earth to heal. This is inconvenient to Western society. And, people prey on this. When the Third Eye opens and when it closes one will remember it's opening and this has a permanent impact on the intuitive abilities. No matter the brainwaves vibration. What is important is that if one is intuitive and does not meditate/pray things start to go FUBAR. AND, I constantly struggle to take my own advise.

I am sort of fimding myself right now and I feel like this is a temporary stage for me. I am realizing how "wrong" i have lived my life thus far and starting to cope with and actually say, yes i did these things wrong, but i can choose not to do them again and realize they are not me. The past is the past. Life is a long strange journey and i feel like so much has changed for me over the past year.

I have done things wrong and my good intentions have hurt people. Like you said, I am not my traumas or my dramas. Atonement is promised to those who can acknowledge their transgressions and have them witnessed by another being. That being could be a friend, a dog, a cat or even a tree.

Our greatest wound is our greatest gift.

 

[SKA]

Some people have a mystical experience and immediately go off the handle. They can't keep their cool.

Some people have a mystical experience and they can tune it out, completely ignoring it. They're way too good at keeping their cool. They can be described as internally strong willed, and not yet ready to let go.

The balance is somewhere in between. Everyone here would agree on that. It's the in-between that we all exist in every day.

Individual difference and its variation is an incredibly fascinating thing.

This is so true. Well spoken!

I have smoalked DMT joints with a mate who completely couldn't handle himself. He started yelling and mumbling nonsense. Then he started to mess with my head whilst I was deep in hyperspace. This caused me to feel intense disphoria, my entire visual field narrowed and blackened and I rushed to the bathroom to puke(which I didn't have to in the end). I felt like dying. I came out of that state fairly quickly though, but it felt like dying.

Ever since that, and some other assmonkey behaviour of his I'm no longer friends with him



Another friend I smoalked dmt with seemed to be of the latter cathegory you mentioned: Too strong willed and holding on too tightly to control. He allways sais he had an amazing dmt experience, but never once mentioned anything specific about content. Also he often bragged about how much he could smoalk and still be fine. I allways felt he was massively missing out. He would also smoalk REDICULOUS amounts of it and also rediculously often, like a surrogate-cannabis, but he didn't ever seem moved much by it at all.


I myself feel more in between these 2 extremes: Open and comfortable enough to let go of control and allow the DMT experience to be optimally immersive, meaningfull and perceivable and yet I allways remained just enough control to remain calm...

Even when horrible creatures consisting of bunched together arms, hands legs & feet twisting and turning so as to tear it's own skin and break it's own bones while making bloodcurdling screams as it sped towards me, I somehow found the calmth to remain perfectly still allthough the impulse to freak out, jump up and run away was very present.



I guess what makes that so is that I have long been aware of how unaware and(thus) not in control we humans are. And learned to be okay with that. I feel insecure about that realisation, even terrified at times, but this fear has never deterred me to delude myself into thinking I had all that much control over my life. With such views there is no losing control, because you cannot loose what you never had to begin with

I guess my hunger for truth is just bigger than my fear of it being unsettling and disturbing. Too many people are in denial of truth, because their fear of it being disturbing is stronger than their hunger for the truth.