Someone pleassse help! Acacia C A/B fails are going to make me cry!

[Jin]

Would evaping with a double boiler ruin the crystals or possibly boil them off?

should'nt have done that

i m not sure if the crystals melted or there was'nt any in the acacia to begin with

watever the case maybe , its time to perform a new extraction with some acacia , try using limonene , toluene and salt with vinegar ,

also if you're having a goo , don't throw it away , make changa its still powerful

sometimes it does happen things don't turn out well , my firsst extraction was also similarly very messy ,

are you using confusa , or something else

 

[MagicGing]

He saw fluffiness drifting around the naphtha after a while in the freeze. That was either alks, or plastic from my syringe. Im thinking swim ruined it by the double boiler. There was absolutley nothing left in the jar.
I appreciate the help, but could you explain why you recommend these? I would like to know the reason, so i know for the future
Swims using confusa. If he freeze precipd completely, would the crystals stick to the glass, to where one could pour the naphtha off?

Edit: he is now evaping slowly outside

 

[Jin]

He saw fluffiness drifting around the naphtha after a while in the freeze. That was either alks, or plastic from my syringe. Im thinking swim ruined it by the double boiler. There was absolutley nothing left in the jar.
I appreciate the help, but could you explain why you recommend these? I would like to know the reason, so i know for the future
Swims using confusa. If he freeze precipd completely, would the crystals stick to the glass, to where one could pour the naphtha off?

Edit: he is now evaping slowly outside

they'll pick up more alkaloids , even some plant fats and oils ,

however later you can defat the fumerates and also seprate pure nn with naptha

and working with a fumerate product for further purification helps ....... atleast for me

 

[MagicGing]

Ive never heard someone complain about naphtha not picking up tryptamines. So im thinking the reason swim got nothing was either he boiled it away while evaping, or teh solution wasnt basic enough. Could you explain how nothing was pulled? As i said, after seperating alot and freebasing twice (my other post explains my process better), he saw floating whiteness. Swim then pulled with naptha, freeze precipd, and then evapped with a double boiler, ending with nothing. There was still floating (like a np layer) whiteness in the freebased solution after the last naphtha pull, maybe its lime?? And what else could be drifting around in freezing naptha?

Thanks for all this help. I know im a bit stubborn with my questions. I just like to know why. Thanks again:thumb_up:

 

[ghostmeat]

I had those white floating bits in the last NP pull as well using ACRB. Some remained floating even after 24hr in freezer. Waiting longer they finally settled, but final product (recrystalized even) is white n' fluffy, not gold n' crystaline. What are the floaters exactly, anyone? I didn't think excess NaOH would cross over. Are these simply inactive alks in the ACRB?

 

[MagicGing]

How did you seperate the solvent from the alks?

 

[mailorderdiety]

I'm in the same boat as ghost meat. I was very successful at getting perfect fluffy white crystals. but they lack the depth of the previous crystals i was getting from mimosa. i could re-x and get nice white crystals from mimosa or leave them nice and yellow. i prefer the yellow. But the acacia is either this strange goo that doesn't completely vape and runs down the side of the vapor genie, also doesn't taste to good and the effects are not of dmt but other alkaloids that are slower coming up and longer... could be a good base for dmt but it's not a main event.

And the crystals are almost non active at 30 mg... so i upped the dose to 100 mg and they became active but only like a sub breakthrough of dmt with a slight trace of the carrier wave and only the most modest of dmt effects. Also the crystals feel fluffy like asbestos and not hard like my mimosa. I'd really love some help as I only have a little mimosa spice left and i need to replace it before it's all gone. and acacia is not getting me there into break throughs yet.

here is a link to my process If you're having trouble getting crystals from acrb, use this tek (thick-light) - A/B - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

 

[mailorderdiety]

ok i have some better news even though i have not figured out what those fluffy white crystals are. I tried an identical looking acacia confusa from hawaii shredded root bark. I used the exact same method that gave me crystals and i got runny honey colored goo. I thought it'd just be more of the same that ive been getting as it smelled the same. Well i tried vaping it and it made silly bubbling sounds which i've never heard. i got 3 big hits and i FULLY blasted into hyperspace and had a COMPLETE breakthrough. i know everyone wants crystals but for me the most important think is dmt. and this other vendor had it. I contacted the vendor and he was surprised saying he has other happy costumers and he supplies people in canada that i probably bought my good bark from him. I don't know if it's a tree by tree thing, or if it's time of year.

Anyhow he was reasonable and said he'd take 30% off of my next purchase but i'm hesitant to purchase again after getting almost no dmt and all what seems like nmt.

 

[MagicGing]

Swim is going to experiment in a playful way with th rest of his solutions basified with CaOH, and not be dissappointed.:lol:

He could find no 100% NaOH at grocery stores, so he plans on ordering pure lye and a fancy ass 0-14 ph meter, as apparently not many people (if any, that be knows of) have had success with ACRB and hydrated lime. Swim has always heard that the ph should be around 4 for the salts and 14 for freebase. Anyone have any input?

Thanks for your time 8)

 

[mailorderdiety]

Swim is going to experiment in a playful way with th rest of his solutions basified with CaOH, and not be dissappointed.:lol:

He could find no 100% NaOH at grocery stores, so he plans on ordering pure lye and a fancy ass 0-14 ph meter, as apparently not many people (if any, that be knows of) have had success with ACRB and hydrated lime. Swim has always heard that the ph should be around 4 for the salts and 14 for freebase. Anyone have any input?

Thanks for your time 8)

i've been happy with the results at even 12.5 ph using lye. Also you can kind of tell by the color change and smell when it is base enough. But i'd love to hear from some experts on the exact threshold of when the crystals move. Also here is a link to 100% lye sold in the usa in stores
http://www.lowes.com/ProductDisplay...elshp=rel&rel=nofollow&cId=PDIO1#BVRRWidgetID... not sure if that is ok to post links to products. i just assumed it is since it's not a controlled substance like bark. feel free to remove it's it's trouble.

 

[MagicGing]

I clicked it and it said 404 not found. It took me to lowes first. Id really like to see what you are refering to at lowes. Was it drain cleaner at lowes?

Thanks for the info!

Edit: i saw your acrb crystals and they look nice! :thumb_up:
Have you tried using hydrated lime?

 

[ghostmeat]

How did you seperate the solvent from the alks?

Used 2-3 warm naphtha pulls on the alk solution with a sep funnel.

 

[ghostmeat]

ok i have some better news even though i have not figured out what those fluffy white crystals are. I tried an identical looking acacia confusa from hawaii shredded root bark. I used the exact same method that gave me crystals and i got runny honey colored goo. I thought it'd just be more of the same that ive been getting as it smelled the same. Well i tried vaping it and it made silly bubbling sounds which i've never heard. i got 3 big hits and i FULLY blasted into hyperspace and had a COMPLETE breakthrough. i know everyone wants crystals but for me the most important think is dmt. and this other vendor had it. I contacted the vendor and he was surprised saying he has other happy costumers and he supplies people in canada that i probably bought my good bark from him. I don't know if it's a tree by tree thing, or if it's time of year.

Anyhow he was reasonable and said he'd take 30% off of my next purchase but i'm hesitant to purchase again after getting almost no dmt and all what seems like nmt.

I assumed the goo was mere impurities, and in subsequent extractions removed either via defatting or recrystalizing. I think perhaps some (majority?) dmt might be bound in the goo, and conventional separatory methods are not releasing the all good from the goo. More involved/advanced methods might need implementing, imho.

 

[mailorderdiety]

I clicked it and it said 404 not found. It took me to lowes first. Id really like to see what you are refering to at lowes. Was it drain cleaner at lowes?

Thanks for the info!

Edit: i saw your acrb crystals and they look nice! :thumb_up:
Have you tried using hydrated lime?

the link worked for me when i clicked it... hmmmm. Anyways it's Roebic Laboratories, Inc. 32 oz Drain Cleaner Crystals 100% lye.

As for using lime i have only used in the making of milk paint. stuff is really great. i just purchased some food grade lime for use in other extractions. i'm excited of doing all food grade extractions, i also picked d-limonene, ascorbic acid, and some other food grade products. very happy to be able to not have to use all heavy duty chems with the plant medicines.

 

[mailorderdiety]

I assumed the goo was mere impurities, and in subsequent extractions removed either via defatting or recrystalizing. I think perhaps some (majority?) dmt might be bound in the goo, and conventional separatory methods are not releasing the all good from the goo. More involved/advanced methods might need implementing, imho.

yeah i don't think those are impurities, i think they are a wonderful cocktail of indoles. But of course i too would love to have them separated in the extraction so i can control which amounts i administer. I'm not sure if you would have lost your alks on a defat as i pulled goo balls that were huge, then i pulled pure crystal and then some residual goo and none of them really had the dmt. On my latest test batch i pulled pure goo and it had PLENTY of dmt in it. i'm now drying the remainder of the naphtha dishes crashed crystals to see what they are. they look crystals and not goo.

 

[MagicGing]

How did you seperate the solvent from the alks?

Used 2-3 warm naphtha pulls on the alk solution with a sep funnel.

I mean after it has freeze precipd, how did you seperate the crashed alks from the nps?

 

[mailorderdiety]

ok, wow.... it must have been the batch of bark because this batch has a bite! i just did about 35 mg of this white powder and there was maybe about 5 mg of this sticky clear substance... it lasts much longer than my mimosa trips and i'm definitely potentiated in some way. much deeper experience. i'm so happy to finally find some acacia that can replace the mhrb. i just hope it has consistency in alks.

*btw that is not base soup, i didn't wash out some of the bark up top before transfering to naph. I'm a slob lol.

 

[MagicGing]

I have been evapping and a thin clear slimy kinda substance was left. He wiped it up with herb and noticed the effects of nmt he thinks. It lasts about 45 mins so idk im thinking nmt

 

[ghostmeat]

How did you seperate the solvent from the alks?

Used 2-3 warm naphtha pulls on the alk solution with a sep funnel.

I mean after it has freeze precipd, how did you seperate the crashed alks from the nps?

All the alks had settled after 24-30hrs, and the nps was clear. Nps was poured off and alks remained in dish. The alkaloid layer looked more like a thin white sheet (like frosted glass) than small clumps of snow globes.

 

[starway6]

White crystals look nvery pretty... but in the sun ..also turn into amber goo..?
So that means crystals ..[are really just goo in a new suit:grin:
My amber waxy ACRB goo is super strong!
Whats is really the diference...besides looks...goo or crystals...:?: