Spagyric is the Word

[antrocles]

by the gods Mr. Van D'lay....you have a true gift for the written word. please write a book. about anything. i will buy several copies.....

...and for anyone else....um..YEAH, what HE said! i'm still a bit embarrassed by this whole ego vs. ego goofiness playing out in the public light. i'm not one to take that road....preferring mostly to send out love and gratitude for all energies and lessons sent my way. my ego was ignited a bit by this whole debacle and i failed to reign it in....choosing instead to fight to be right and heard than to just walk away. i'm not the buddha....yet...

hopefully, micah, you and i will both take valuable lessons back from this. you will be a bit more careful in your marketing and wording and i will, as i have been for the past 5 years with utter conviction, try to have done with this false identity called an ego. we are all part of one. and we are all mirrors and teachers for one another. i wish you only success, love and to know the very root of love. i harbor no ill will. and i am sorry for my part in this childishness. i stand solidly behind DMT with every pulsing atom in my being just as you stand by your Spagyrics. neither of us are more right or enlightened by virtue of our respective paths. feel free to read some of my experience threads....the messages are to be shared with all.....


....and on that note....i'm going to be posting a thread on the DMT EXPERIENCES section when i get home from work later this morning. SWIM just had his most profound breakthrough yet yesterday and would love to share the absolutely RIGHTEOUS message he was downloaded. his eyes STILL fill with tears of gratitude upon reflection....

love and gratitude!

 

[alkemi]

OK, so obviously Art has had his buttons pushed a bit by this thread, quiet a bit of anger there I don't think was warranted, along with a whole bunch of accusations on my intentions and actions that are not at all true. Basically, what it comes down to is that antrocles bought some of my Spagyrics, for the wrong reasons it seems, however those reasons came about. He was upset & complained about it, I gave him all his money back (for the record, I DID agree to the refund he asked for BEFORE any of his complaints here), and I'm still the bad guy here. Whatever.

I was posting on here proactively trying to make sure that no one else has the same disappointment in our products, and that anyone in the future reading this thread understand what they do & don't offer. Folks here use DMT, it is quite dramatic in its effects, and I wanted to be sure that people realized that my Spagyrics would NOT be so dramatic in effect. I think that may actually be the opposite of "shilling", considering that the net message is "if you like what you've worked with so far as discussed on this forum, then you might not like what I offer". I NEVER ONCE said that anyone here was inferior, or that I have contempt for the practice, or any of the statements claimed as mine by Art. I have explained and explained this in what I thought became an interesting and civilised dialogue with the member endlessness, which I enjoyed because it allowed me to see a different perspective and explain mine, learning some and refining my thoughts about the whole situation along the way.

Now that Art has taken this thread in a truly venomous and mean-spirited direction, I think it's clear that the civilised discussion is over. If you relate to my perspective and thoughts, great. If not, nothing more I can say will change that, and I'm actually pretty busy this week filling orders from long-term, loyal customers who I appreciate, respect, and enjoy my relationship with. So, I think that's really all the energy I have for this.

Strength & Wisdom,
Micah
www.al-kemi.com

 

[prottel]

I think what might trigger some reactions is these statements:

But it's likely that nothing but increasing doses of drugs will ever get you out of that rabbit hole, since you are not willing to work on cultivating any subtlety or intelligence in your relationships with these plants.

I do think that it comes down to some people being just plain thick from years of overuse

Anyways. I find this subtle aspect intriguing. I know some people on the ayahuasca forum has this connection with plants, were only minute amounts can be felt. I know I can feel caapi at less than a gram, although it usually does not go deeper than that for me at this point. I hope that I some day may be able to cultivate my sensitivy to the point were I can feel and communicate with plants at lower levels.

You say that chewing plants can help with this? How should I go about doing that? Does it have to be fresh plants? Only the leaves? What should I look for while chewing it? Etc etc

 

[Bill Cipher]

OK, so obviously Art has had his buttons pushed a bit by this thread, quiet a bit of anger there I don't think was warranted, along with a whole bunch of accusations on my intentions and actions that are not at all true. Basically, what it comes down to is that antrocles bought some of my Spagyrics, for the wrong reasons it seems, however those reasons came about. He was upset & complained about it, I gave him all his money back (for the record, I DID agree to the refund he asked for BEFORE any of his complaints here), and I'm still the bad guy here. Whatever.

Actually, the timeline, as it's presented in this thread by both sides, seems to go something like this:

1) He ordered your product. He didn't care for it. In point of fact, he got no effects whatsoever - and from four different samples.

2) He called and asked to return the fifth (which was still unopened), and you (either politely or impolitely, depending on who you believe) refused.

3) He exercised his rights as a consumer, and (very tactfully and respectfully, in my opinion) posted his dissatisfaction on this thread.

4) You appeared and personally attacked the guy, publicly questioning both his intelligence and integrity.

5) You then proceeded to open your big fat plant-chomping yap in a long-winded tirade about the soul sickness of DMT users in general.

6) After enough potentially bad press amongst your demographic, you reversed your position, refunded his money and continued to flap your gums.

Items' 4 & 5 are what inspired my post, if you're really still unclear. You see, spagyric woman, you just can't really have it both ways. If those who extract organic DMT from a biological source (a chemical which is endogenous to the human body, by the way, not just existent in your beloved plant kingdom) are thickheaded drug seekers, then you, sister, are a drug dealer. Just because you dress in hemp and smell of patchouli doesn't make you less of one, nor do the legally necessary disclaimers on your website. Why maintain a membership here, if not to prey on the thickheaded drug seekers you describe? Of course, your response is that you are here merely to dissaude those from purchasing who would otherwise expect a drug-like experience or mis-use your spiritualized essences. I say give me a fucking break; You are here to turn a buck.

Not saying you're Pablo Escobar or anything, but do a little more trolling and a little less shilling, and you'll find a common thread on this site - DMT users don't sell their wares. So who's really got the upperhand, morally speaking...?

Peace, love and chicken grease


Mr. Moonbeam

 

[The Traveler]

Since all sides had a change to tell their side of the story I'm locking this thread.