STB tek extraction problems

[Toloache]

In my dreams a cat is seeking my help. He told me this:

" I'm having problem with a straight to base mimosa extraction. I added 50 g of lie to 500 ml NaOH (for 50 g bark)and poured the solution over the mimosa. After let it sitting for 3 days, i added nafta. Warmed the solution and gently stirred for some hours. Then i proceded to decant the nafta to freeze precip and the problems arised. Unlike my previous extraction, seems that crystals have problems forming. Lot of proto crystal forms but they dont stick to the jar after 24 h. Also, the crystals are very yellowish and more thank crystals they resemble yellow oil-goo.

I proceeded to decant the nafta the best i could, and lot of crystals (more yellow goo than xtals) succeded to remain in the now naphta-emptied jar, and im now in the process of evaporating nafta leftovers.

Two question arises:

1)Why crystals have problems forming? Nafta is very yellow, there is lot of goodies in there.

2)If evaporating the oil goo become more similar to crystals, and i dissolve the crystal in acetone and proceed to add FASA, does pure dmt fumarate forming leaving the impurities back, or do they sticks in the salts?"

Thanks

 

[Psyren]

I added 50 g of lie to 500 ml NaOH (for 50 g bark)and poured the solution over the mimosa

You added 50g of lye to 5ooml Sodium Hydroxide? i guess you mean water right?
Anyways I would add 50grams NaOH to 400ml water, mix, wait for it to cool down a little!, then add 50grams powdered bark, mix, let sit for 3 hours NOT days. Then begin pulling with naptha, dont use to much!

 

[Toloache]

Yeah sorry i mean water Semms my cat has found the problem. He used too much solvent, the solvent isn't saturate and crystals have problems forming. He will try to evaporate some of the naphta and the try to freeze precip again!

 

[Psyren]

Also when I say I let the MHRB & NaOH set for a few hours, thats only with powdered. If your bark is more coarse you would probably want to let it sit longer.

 

[Toloache]

Yeah, bark was powdered.. aniway what its the difference beetwen long sit and short sit? Isnt better a little bit on the longer side than the shorter?

Aniway more mhrb form another source is in arrival for my cat, and whole this time.He will try the BLAB instead of STB. There is yield difference in doing BLAB with FASW instead of FASI? Where the cat live isopropil alc isn't avaiable, but he wonder if FASW is efficent at extracting full spectrum JimJam

 

[Psyren]

Some people say they only let it sit for 30 minutes before they pull. NaOH breaks the powdered bark down pretty fast. The longer you wait the more yellow/plant oils your gonna be pulling with it. Nothing that re-x cant take care of.

So really in the end it doesn't matter but 3 days for powdered bark is an awfully long time.

 

[DeMenTed]

In my dreams a cat is seeking my help. He told me this:

This made me lol

 

[Dreamwalker]

50 grams of bark isn't really much material to work with in the first place so I wouldn't expect too many crystals in the end anyway.

Also your tek seems like it could use some refining. Just out of curiosity what tek are you following?

It's not very clear to me exactly what you did but I'd like to help if I can.
Just because your naptha is very yellow doesn't necessarily mean there is a lot of DMT in there. STB extractions have a tendency of pulling more plant fats and oils then A/B extractions. Especially if you let your pulls sit for days at a time.
Could you maybe explain exactly what you did in more detail?

You said you used 500ml of NaOH right?
Exactly how many grams of NaOH did you dissolve into the water?

It could be that your solution is under baseified.

 

[Toloache]

I followed this, using exactly 1/2 of the amount of materials in the tek for 50g bark

STB tek and pictorial - UPDATED - The Psychedelic Experience - Shroomery Message Board

AFOAF sent me these pics and instructions. Please follow precisely for success: Take 1 qt. Ball jar, add 600cc's cool, DISTILLED water. SLOWLY add 100 grams 100% NaOH while gently stirring

www.shroomery.org

so this is 50 g lie in 300 ml distilled water. I think i messed up with the solvent, i added 250 ml of naptha. Im decanting the naphta with a 5ml syringe, so i added naphta to have a good layer of it to suck from without touching the lie. Seems it was a mistake because i later found on some posts here that if the naphta isnt saturated crystal have problems forming. This is what happens to me, the naptha become all cloudy in the freezer but nothing precipitate. Aniway, now i have done a sodium carbonate wash to remove all lie impurities in naphta, set the freezer to max freeze and pushed a button that say supercold, so well see tomorrow morning if somethings precipitate. Thanks for the help so far

 

[Dreamwalker]

okay, after you add the naptha to your root bark/lye solution you should thoroughly mix the contents of the jar. Don't shake it or you'll run into emulsion issues.

Just tilt the jar back and fourth, roll it around and wait for the naptha to separate from the rest of it. Then mix it and let it separate a few more times before pulling the naptha out. Don't worry about the lye getting mixed up into the naptha, it's not gonna happen.

Also you should split your naptha up and do a few separate pulls and pool them together into another jar instead of one big pull. this will insure your naptha is nice and saturated.

Then, just to insure your naptha is saturated enough evaporate it down to about half (or less) its original volume before you freeze it.

That should do the trick.

For now I would evap what you have a lot and try to re freeze it again see what happens.

Good luck!

 

[rjb]

I followed this, using exactly 1/2 of the amount of materials in the tek for 50g bark

STB tek and pictorial - UPDATED - The Psychedelic Experience - Shroomery Message Board

AFOAF sent me these pics and instructions. Please follow precisely for success: Take 1 qt. Ball jar, add 600cc's cool, DISTILLED water. SLOWLY add 100 grams 100% NaOH while gently stirring

www.shroomery.org

so this is 50 g lie in 300 ml distilled water. I think i messed up with the solvent, i added 250 ml of naptha. Im decanting the naphta with a 5ml syringe, so i added naphta to have a good layer of it to suck from without touching the lie. Seems it was a mistake because i later found on some posts here that if the naphta isnt saturated crystal have problems forming. This is what happens to me, the naptha become all cloudy in the freezer but nothing precipitate. Aniway, now i have done a sodium carbonate wash to remove all lie impurities in naphta, set the freezer to max freeze and pushed a button that say supercold, so well see tomorrow morning if somethings precipitate. Thanks for the help so far

It's good that you kept to the original ratios, but 250ml of naptha sounds like a whole lot to me, for the amount of solution you have. I usually mix my 50g of MHRB (only used shredded so far) into a 750ml water / 50g lye solution. After letting this solution sit for about 2hrs, I start my first pull (out of 3 total). 3 days though...that's a tricky one. I find that doing multiple separate pulls with less naptha allows the naptha to pull everything it can in the plant material, without wasting much of the naptha. So if my 3rd pull would be unsuccessfull (this never happened though), I'd just end up throwing 35ml of naptha instead of 250. I also pre-heat my naptha in warm water before each pull, it's resulted in a yield boost for me and I've noticed that crystal formations are appearing this way, instead of just a fine dust. Maybe this can be of some help.

If you have previously extracted crystals from the mhrb you have and you know it contains alks for sure, then evapping half of the naptha before freezing it should help a good deal, as Dreamwalker suggested.

I'll share the tek I used, maybe it will help you: 2nd 100g extrct - uber pictures :shock: - STB - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

Best of luck.

 

[Toloache]

Thanks guys! I hope this could yield something ad it's not too messed up. I wasn't expecting a super yield from 50 g, but my idea was to do sort of selective pulls with naphta and then another two or three with limonene to yield a little bit more and having some jungle, then mix for jimjam... harshness of hte product is not too much of a issue because the stuff isnt mean to be smoked aniway, all the extraction is for pharma so in the end the dmt would be FASA.

Aniway i will add a little more details. First, sadly the emulsion formed. This is why i added more naphta. I explain myself better. Dunno if it is because i've used powdered mhrb, but this time and also last time i've done the tek, three layers formed: the water lie mhrb layer, the naphta layer, and at the top of the naphta another tiny black layer, maybe 1 mm height. So when i pull with the syringe, i have to make sure it stays in the middle,too low and i suck lie, too high and i suck the top layer of emulsion. Before adding more naphta, i tried to warm the solution and gently and then stir, because i've read that heat help with the emulsions and extracts more alcaloids. So to do this, i had to put the jar on the window, and the sun gently and slowly warmed it. Here is very hot and the sun is strong, and after one hour in the window the jar remain warm for hours.

This has not help with the emulsion- top layer, however i kept doing it to ensure maximum alkaloids migrate into naphta. I figured that even if i suck lie little lie or emulsion into the pull the sodium carbonate would be an easy way clean it, ad in fact, it was more easy to suck all the 10 ml of sodium carbonate solution out of the naphta than trying to not suck any black water from the big jar.

Now the pull is 80 ml, i have to see if something has precipited out, if not i will try to divide the pull into 3-4 mini jars and evaporate something. Im pretty sure some alc are in the naphta. I used a little quantity of mhrb but i suppose 5-6 doses are in there, maybe more if i use limonene to extract jungle. Will report back. Btw, how do you evaporate naphta? Seems that here it takes forever. Humidity is at 60% constantly at winter, and i think with the summer it raises more. So it's pretty damn hard and long to evaporate something without using some sort of heating. However i think evaporation point of dmt is low and i dont wanna in any case to heat a naphta solution, too risky. Any ideas?

This obviuosly happen only in my dreams, i have a pretty vivid dream life, but i think that if i dont sort out this dreams would keep coming!!

 

[Silly Psybin]

Yeah, bark was powdered.. aniway what its the difference beetwen long sit and short sit? Isnt better a little bit on the longer side than the shorter?

Aniway more mhrb form another source is in arrival for my cat, and whole this time.He will try the BLAB instead of STB. There is yield difference in doing BLAB with FASW instead of FASI? Where the cat live isopropil alc isn't avaiable, but he wonder if FASW is efficent at extracting full spectrum JimJam

Please stop with this cat nonsense ....it’s pathetic , all you noobs need to realise we know it’s you , not only this your extracting sacred spice from sacred vine ....

THIS ISNT BREAKING BAD YOUR NOT MAKING METH , AMD MOSTLY , FEDS RESOURCES ARE INJECTED INTO THE OPIOD CRISIS NOT DUCKING PSYCHEDELICS

SO PLEASE QUIT THIS DAM SWIM OR “MY CAT” BULLSHIT

Look I extract dmt , I eat mushrooms , I AM ! come get me fed ! No chance ! They don’t bother will small fries ! COSTS RESOURCES all this Swim shit does or my dog/cat stuff make you lot look moronic ! STOP........IT

Thankyou

 

[downwardsfromzero]

I doubt Toloache gives much for your opinion here as this user hasn't been active for nearly 5 years, and that being given in a thread getting on for 8 years dead. Your comment about 'SWIM' and 'cat' is valid, however.

All you n00bs :lol:

Thank you