Stephen Hawking warns over making contact with aliens

[Dorge]

this one is even better...

Thomas Berry RIP

 

[88]

I'm coming right out with my most crazy-assed theory of alien contact because, hey this is the dmt-nexus - not scientific american. So here goes:

We are measured as 0.7 on the Kardashev scale of civilizations - any culture that is up at 3 or 4 has, by this definition, completely mastered the solar system or galaxy in which they reside. We are way off that. So, galactically speaking, I'd say homo sapiens are pretty primitive - we haven't even figured out a way to communicate with any of the other legions of conscious lifeforms on our own planet.

To gain mastery of a solar system, you need to have a mastery of time and space - because distance is a function of time (we measure things in light years, after all). One thing we have all seen in hyperspace is that there are more than these mere dimensions of everyday life - it is, still for me, one of the great wonders of the journey.

Alien cultures of type 2, 3 or 4 are would have to have mastered time and space - and the obvious way to do that is through consciousness, which is unbounded. So it's more realistic by my reckoning that any alien culture would be able to contact us - should they want to - though consciousness, rather than by means of big floating metal ships.

So yes - I believe contact will happen within, and not without. That what we see is the possibility of this. And Hawking's argument is locked into our limited human perception whihc assumes time and space are experienced by aliens in the same way as they are by us. That to me, is a narrow view - we know there is more.

Where we go is the interface; the frontier. If anyone is going to make contact, it's us, not SETI.

 

[MagikVenom]

Are people seriously suggesting that the 'entities' experienced while using DMT should affect our assumptions of how any extraterrestrial beings in our universe might act?

Yes.

I don't need to prove myself to anyone here about what I've experienced, because I know. And the proof is in the pudding. If you haven't had direct contact, you haven't smoked enough.

Yes, our universe is that weird.

Or if you have made contact maybe you are smoking to much after all DMT is a hallucinogenic drug. I have been smoking the spice for 16 years in small and large doses and guess what NO ALIENS, NO entities.

So encouraging people to do more drugs just to reinforce the things you think are true but can not be proven is irresponsible. People can abuse otc drugs like antihistamines combined with alcohol or overdose on diphenhydamine and have all kinds of hallucinations it does not make them real.

Are these entities and aliens real hell no, they are products of altered brain chemistry nothing more.

There is a reason these drugs are called hallucinogens they alter the brain and to tell others that your single opinion means aliens exist is a Joke. I am not raging on you house but you act as if you know it all and you disrespect and disregard others opinions because you have take drugs and assume the effects they produce are real. It makes you sound like a missionary forcing your beleifes down the throat just because you think its true with no evidence what so ever.

I would love to believe in Got and friendly Aliens coming to the earth to help us all but I cant because the evidence was generated wile on DRUGS. I have broken thru at least 1000 times on DMT, Taken acid maybe 700times or so. Mescaline maybe 500 times and no Aliens.

So to tell people you are correct and they are lightweights who do not trip enough or they would have made contact is BS you want to think these things are real. And you mislead noobs with erroneous information. To me that aint cool let people think for themselves and make there own decisions on these things.

Please do not insult them by saying you are superior because you have smoked DMT and now you are 100% sure you are correct. I have likely tripped over 1500 times in the last 20years yet I do not claim to be a authority who is above others who have tripped less frequently.

Maybe you are correct and aliens and entities fear me because I need a new pair of boots and I would like nothing more that to skin a reptilian and be the first human to have a fancy pair of alien reptile skin boots.

Not given you a hard time Brother but you sound like a know it all Jehovah and just like organized religion you want to indoctrinate others to your unproven beliefs that do not have a shred of evidence beyond your own drug experiences.

I do not go to church to worship Jebus nor will I worship imaginary enities and aliens that exist in the minds of hallucinogenic drug users.

Bring me back some physical proof or intellectual knowledge from these encounters. I will apologize in the most humble way. But to brainwash others to accept these things as real is wrong and that is why I must post this.

But dont worry I respect you views but resent Preachers.

Sorry I have to post this but it must be made clear I do not accept your premise and others shroud be aware not everyone here accepts this stuff. And yes I am a non believing experience psychedelic user who has tripped far more times than you. So your statement to smoke more is complete bunk. Others here need to know that

Best wishes to you my dear friend

Peace


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[gibran2]

…I have been smoking the spice for 16 years in small and large doses and guess what NO ALIENS, NO entities.

…Are these entities and aliens real hell no, they are products of altered brain chemistry nothing more.

If you’ve never had the experience, how can you say anything about it’s nature?

 

[Saidin]

I honestly found this fearmongering by Hawking a bit disappointing.

If any alien civizilatin were hostile toward us, or wanted our resources or planet they would have taken it long long ago. Is it possible that our planetary culture (do we even have one yet?), like the Native Americans, will become absorbed into a larger galactic culure (Columbus)? Of course we will lose our carefully constructed hubris, and there will be integration time. We are now just a diamond amongst a plethora, rather than a single one in the rough.

Odds are we are either the first, or there are millions/billions who are already out there. If that is the case, then they are all around us and the question becomes: Why haven't they contacted us yet? Many say they already have, in the past and into the present. I believe they are out there waiting for the right moment...and that moment is rapidly approaching.

I personally like what it says about our future and the possibilities. There is no fear.

Of course our new insect overlords could make us toil in their underground sugar mines, (reference anyone? ) but I believe that we are either already slaves and don't know it...or when they do arrive, it will be the evolution of our species and membership in the galactic community.

 

[polytrip]

Why is every body so convinced that many alien civilisations are much more advanced than we are?

We don't have any statistics to back that up, do we?

 

[universecannon]

It sounds like such fear mongering and culture bound thinking to assume that us sending out signals is going to attract killer alien species. Chances are most don't even communicate by such means.. And when looking at the short period of our rapid advancement you'd think alot of intelligence would be extremely advanced by now, possibly beyond recognition to our eyes of actually being a living thing..

14billion years..hundreds of billions of galaxies..trillions of stars.. if this scenario that nomads are all over the universe consuming other planets is even remotely correct many could have mastered spaceflight by now, and you'd think many would have hit a point technologically (or consciously) where they'd find out about this planet long ago, and all the other planets in the galaxy, within a few hundred thousand or million years..given our own extreme rate of technological acceleration. (horse, to car, to spaceship and the heart of an atom, all in a hundred years,ect) I'm making tons of ridiculous assumptions here since, to me, anything seems possible in this universe. Feel free to rip apart :d

But maybe its wishful thinking to believe that if organisms are that intelligent to do such things then they would be past points similar to our own toddler like times of history when we destroy eachother for self benefit. I think its safe to say that most people on the world don't reap much satisfaction from consciously following the suggested Freudian inner want that screams rape and pillage. Either way I seriously consider the idea that I've met aliens myself, and that many here have. It's convenient to brush it all off as drugs and meaningless hallucination since those are the terms we use to lump plant/human neurotransmitter experiences in, and assume that those definitions are absolutely correct. and that any description of its supposed effects can therefore be lumped under and limited to that category (since we haven't much hard evidence besides the anecdotal that supports such wild claims)- no matter how much the realness and peculiarity of the inner experience begs deeper meaning. Maybe these old plants are just one of those advanced-unrecognizable, organisms who's way of communicating with the our species is these natural substances spread across nature within and around. I have no idea, but i think we'll find the hard self-evident truth eventually.

 

[SnozzleBerry]

Why is every body so convinced that many alien civilisations are much more advanced than we are?

We don't have any statistics to back that up, do we?

:lol:...I would assume it has to do more with the aliens contacting us or visiting our planet more than merely existing. I mean, there are alien organisms (most likely) in our own solar system, but they're microbiotic and will doubtfully be contacting us. Now, with regards to visitations or communications, it doesn't seem that unreasonable to assume that a civilization that has intergalactic/interdimensional communication or travel is advanced, or at least more advanced than us.

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[Bill Cipher]

Perfectly understandable. If they do turn out to be hostile, how effectively do you suppose he'll be able to run away?

Sorry. Someone had to say it... :evil:

 

[cellux]

Alien cultures of type 2, 3 or 4 are would have to have mastered time and space - and the obvious way to do that is through consciousness, which is unbounded. So it's more realistic by my reckoning that any alien culture would be able to contact us - should they want to - though consciousness, rather than by means of big floating metal ships.

I'm with you on this one.

Jacques Vallée (major ufologist) also thinks along these ways:

Vallée proposes that there is a genuine UFO phenomenon, partly associated with a form of non-human consciousness that manipulates space and time. The phenomenon has been active throughout human history, and seems to masquerade in various forms to different cultures. In his opinion, the intelligence behind the phenomenon attempts social manipulation by using deception on the humans with whom they interact.

Vallée also proposes that a secondary aspect of the UFO phenomenon involves human manipulation by humans. Witnesses of UFO phenomena undergo a manipulative and staged spectacle, meant to alter their belief system, and eventually, influence human society by suggesting alien intervention from outer space. The ultimate motivation for this deception is probably a projected major change of human society, the breaking down of old belief systems and the implementation of new ones. Vallée states that the evidence, if carefully analysed, suggests an underlying plan for the deception of mankind by means of unknown, highly advanced methods (His colleague, Hynek, suggested that the UFO phenomena was in fact demonic in nature). Vallee states that it is highly unlikely that governments actually conceal alien evidence, as the popular myth suggests. Rather, it is much more likely that that is exactly what the manipulators want us to believe. Vallée feels the entire subject of UFOs is mystified by charlatans and science fiction. He advocates a stronger and more serious involvement of science in the UFO research and debate. Only this can reveal the true nature of the UFO phenomenon.

 

[VisualDistortion]

Why is every body so convinced that many alien civilisations are much more advanced than we are?

We don't have any statistics to back that up, do we?

Because for them to contact us they would have to be able to traverse light years across the galaxy. This would put them far ahead of us technologically.

 

[polytrip]

i think the chance of there being civilisations thát advanced is not very big.
Let alone many of them.

Traveling at those speeds is virtually impossible, bridging large distances at those speeds even more so and then, to build a machine that can withstand the impact of traveling at those speeds, that can travel those speeds over a longer distance might be just too complicated.
If then you would even want to build a machine that allows you to travel at such speeds over long distances to transport beings of some sort then you're asking something that realy is totally impossible, i think.

you would have to transport an enormous amount of mass, like meters thick plates of uranium to protect your crew and equipment with almost the speed of light for at least weeks or months to get to nearby inhabitable solarsystems.

 

[expanding]

I think any alien civilisation capable of reaching or even comunicating with us is unlikely to be hostile. They would have had to develope far beyond what we have, which hopefully will make them far more experienced and inteligent and subsequently less agressive. Though it is near enough impossible to preddict the behaviour of creatures which could be totally different from us.
Im sure though if they were capable of making contact, whether we tryed to help them do so or not will make little difference. Our signals currrently can only travel at the speed of light, meening on the grand scale they have not got far atall. If aliens were going to send ships our way it would likely be because they observed a planet which apeared to be capable of sustaining life and wished to investigate.
It should be possible to send machines massive distances in the future and eventually humans. If we find a way to reach speeds near that of light time dilation will allow us to travel light years and only age by minutes. This is a very long way off for us, but maybe other civilisations have accomplished this, or discovered a more practical alternative for long distance travel.
If it was possible to leave space time and reenter at will this would be the ultimate form of instantaneous travel, though this is not known to be posible at the moment, and may never be.

 

[polytrip]

But you need a seemingly infinite amount of energy to even accelerate an object to that speed, then you need even more energy (wich is more than seemingly infinite, wich is thus more seemingly infinite) to maintain that speed.

But you need even more than that.

because traveling at those speeds the impact of particles and radiation from stars, let alone spec's of dust and not to mention asteroids is immense.
Only several meters thick layers of uranium could offer some protection but.....that means that you have to accelerate whatever you use to protect your equipment as well.

Nobody has acces to a source of energy that could be sufficient. Antimatter is no solution to the problem since for long distance travelling your starting weight would still be more than 90% antimatter fuel and you still have the problem that you need seemingly infinite amounts of energy to even obtain the antimatter, so antimatter is no solution to the problem at all.

Anyway, it can't be done.

 

[Chalchiuhtlicue]

It occurs to be that if humans need spice to foster contact with aliens, perhaps they need spice to contact us. Perhpas hyperspace is a playground with many front doors, a place for communicating from many infinite points. If so, this would eliminate the problems associated with physically traveling through space. Maybe it's just a matter of figuring out the rules and playing the game.

 

[Saidin]

But you need a seemingly infinite amount of energy to even accelerate an object to that speed, then you need even more energy (wich is more than seemingly infinite, wich is thus more seemingly infinite) to maintain that speed.

But you need even more than that.

because traveling at those speeds the impact of particles and radiation from stars, let alone spec's of dust and not to mention asteroids is immense.
Only several meters thick layers of uranium could offer some protection but.....that means that you have to accelerate whatever you use to protect your equipment as well.

Nobody has acces to a source of energy that could be sufficient. Antimatter is no solution to the problem since for long distance travelling your starting weight would still be more than 90% antimatter fuel and you still have the problem that you need seemingly infinite amounts of energy to even obtain the antimatter, so antimatter is no solution to the problem at all.

Anyway, it can't be done.

It can't be done with our current technology, but who is to say that we know everything there is to about how the universe is constructed? To say it can't be done is a lack of imagination.

You need infinite energy to accelerate MASS to the speed of light, but what if there was some way to artifically cancel out the mass of an object? Then the speed of light no longer becomes a barrier. What about the possibility of multi-dimensional travel? What about wormholes? There are plenty of theoretical ideas out there how one might bend the laws of physics to allow things we now consider "impossible".

A type of deflector shield could protect from interstellar dust if one is travelling though normal space, but may not be as necessary with alternative modes of travel and propulsion.

Vacum/zero point energy could be a means of energy which would not require large reserves of physical material in order to power the ship.

I think there is a way for it to be done, and not only are there extra-terresterials out there, but they have been visiting our planet for thousands of years.

 

[polytrip]

Yes you're right. If there would be ways to travel outside of our spacetime system then we can't tell what could be possible.

But that's a whole different situation. Then you're no longer dealing with a civilisation as we define it but with something else entirely.

A species that could do such a thing would probably have an intellect that would make all of us look like demented fly's or something. I would say that these folks would be way out of our league.

Hawkings whole story therefore can hardly apply to a species like this.
We certainly wouldn't be able to hide from them.

 

[kyrolima]

I love contacting aliens

 

[Godspark]

But you need a seemingly infinite amount of energy to even accelerate an object to that speed, then you need even more energy (wich is more than seemingly infinite, wich is thus more seemingly infinite) to maintain that speed.

Anyway, it can't be done.

Not only would you need infinite energy to accelerate an object with physical mass to the speed of light, but the velocity would then result in that object (be it a person or an inanimate object) GAINING infinite mass. Interestingly enough, objects with no mass always travel at the speed of light. But then I come to think, what of gluons? They bind protons and neutrons in an atomic nuclei.

 

[MagikVenom]

I love contacting aliens

Me too
We got plenty of illegal Mexicans here in the US I to would like to contact illegal aliens.
With my foot up there ass....and send then back to where they came....:lol:

Peace Friends