sticky skin means stop

[aethereon]

I'm feeling compelled to share some recent observations, with little bit of prefacing what i've been up to. I'm not looking for any sort of judgement as in 'your use has been abuse' type of deal, i can pretty much suss that out myself. Several days ago i hit about 60mg in my mighty vape and while i did feel something, it kinda shocked me a bit it was like a sort of TOTAL lockout. Normally I have pretty 'extreme' tolerance to DMT and I feel like my brain is just wired differently after so many years of chronic cannabis use. I remember a youtube video where an anesthesiologist or doctor was saying that people that do weed need way more of the sedative drugs they give in order to keep them sedated during surgery. Also I saw someones post on here talking about how cannabis seems to block DMT. This might not be true for everyone but I can definitely say I have for whatever reason a giant tolerance for DMT.

I've never fully broken through, there was a time where I was existing without my body existing. Not entirely, somewhere i could feel myself breathing there, but it was like total bliss, I have this theory that we are not our bodies we are the consciousness perceiving this reality or whatever but we associate 'ourselves' with these bodies we inhabit here but this body isn't the 'real me.' Anyways After I did the 60mg dose and felt almost nothing I was like okay maybe that is a sign to stop for a while. Ignored that as two days later I did another mighty hit, I think it was around 40-50mg and it was about the same. Anyways Still didn't completely persuade me from stopping, I mean even though I knew I had just done some 'monster hits' I thought maybe it was my vaping technique (even though for once I had actually achieved thick vapor with the mighty, and knew it wasn't my technique.)

Recently though I had another encounter with the void, I did a large hit of changa and there was a brief moment of nothingness when I closed my eyes. It was so immediate and total, I was just gone it freaked me out. Normally I see the waiting rooom pattern or whatever but this was just *poof* utter nothingness so I opened up my eyes and it was like I was back, phew. The next time I did it the next day, I also had a brief moment of like 'breakthrough.' I feel like when doing changa, the DMT kicks in faster than the MAOI and there is a brief few moments where it's a purely DMT high and then the harmalas start to ramp up and do their thing. So during the initial 'blast' I feel like I made contact with a cat entity or something, it was just a total blip and felt like what I could only describe as a glitch in the matrix but then it was gone.

Getting to the crux of this post, I would like to share some bizarre thing that has been happening the past few times. I sometimes do changa/freebase in the bathtub. Yes I know the bathtub isn't the best place to blast off but I don't tend to ever blast off. Even with like 150mg of changa I still don't get there. Anyways this has completely messed with me... this sticky skin experience. I have done changa baths many many many times but recently i had my skin literally turn all sticky on me. It's happened about 3 times so far. Maybe it doesn't even have to do at all with changa, or maybe it's just some sort of interaction with the MAO inhibitor or something. Because I feel like it wasn't imagined.

First time it was like I had noticed my shins and calves were coated in a blackish substance, I was like WHAT THE HECK... I was weirded out while on changa seeing this, the black stuff washed off and I felt like draining the bath and running another one, somehow I didn't want to be stewing in the bathtub with this black shit. I am thinking it was some microplastics from my sweatpants, had been biking and at the gym in these black pants. However I realized then it was like my whole freaking body had been sticky. I was freaking out and did my best to wash it off like using insane amounts of soap but it was really hard to get this residue off my skin, like castille soap just wasn't doing anything to get this off.

I was a bit weirded out by this experience, and did some googling on sticky skin. It turns out that you can get sticky skin from taking too much iodine, and I had been taking iodine recently, something I've never done before. As well, during one of my previous changa baths, i had the genius idea of putting peppermint oil in the bath water and found myself kinda burning all over. Google was also saying that sticky skin can be a result of undiluted essential oils.

So it's like the next time I go in the bath I had the same thing after doing changa, the weird sticky skin and I was freaking out thinking that I had somehow destroyed my skins dermal barrier somehow taking iodine or something (even though I was taking as much iodine as it was reccomended on the bottle) and/or melted it using peppermint oil. Also I had the whole static pattern overlay on my legs, kind of a leopard print looking thing. I was kind of mesmerized by the beauty of it but kinda just still a bit weirded out with the skin stickyness.

I had another bath just now, normally when doing my changa baths it's like I do it as soon as i jump in the water (and mind you i only put enough water so i can lay back fully and still be breathing fine) but this time I waited like 20 minutes or so, and I didn't have sticky skin. I thought it was gone, did the changa, Kept a hand on my chest or whatnot and I could literally feel my skin transition from 'normal skin' to this 'sticky film skin' over the course of like 5 seconds or so. I'm not sure what the heck is going on other than I'm taking an actual break this time. I've been going pretty solid with this whole changa mission for like well over a month now almost daily and it's time for some serious integration.

I'm not sure what the sticky skin issue is. Normally dmt/changa gives visual disturbances, like I have become a 'putty/clay person' many a time. Also I have experienced my own version of 'legoland' time and time and time again - my own version because I thought legoland was the specific 'caricature look' that reality takes on when on the molecule. But then I looked in the lexicon and it mentioned that legoland is like literally comprised of lego blocks. I don't get the lego block effect but things do take on this look. But I've never had any sort of tactile disturbances like this sticky skin thing. Like I could literally feel my fingers sticking after i rubbed my skin, and i could feel like i was actually sticking to the bottom of the bathtub. I've seen the pattern overlay and the visual distortions of reality but never something tactile. Also, I distinctly could taste something bitter in my mouth. I thought I was just imaginging things but it happened again and my theory was I was tasting the epsom salts in the water - seeping in through my skin. DMSO the solvent is suppsed to like carry things through the skin, I was thinking like maybe because my dermal barrier is messed up for whatever reason, my skin had become permeable. I've never done DMSO but I had the feeling if your skins lipid or dermal barrier or whatever is compromised stuff would be able to get in.

Google said that if you repeatedly have sticky skin happening u need to go see a dermatologist asap. But what just weirds me out is why did my skin 'transition' to being like sticky only after hitting the changa? Perhaps I could try taking a bath tomorrow and seeing if harmalas themselves produce the same effect, because I thought maybe there is some sort of interaction from the harmalas and whatever is goin on in my body right now. But the rapidity with which my skin changed to sticky after hitting changa makes me think it was all an illusion. But how convincing, like I said I was sticking to the bottom of the tub, not like stuck there but could feel my skin not sliding like it normally would. Anyways I get that it's time to take a good long break and do some integration and work, but this was too insane not to share. If anybody has any ideas or relevant insights/experience I would love to hear.

 

[drpotato]

If you are familiar with how powerful the placebo effect can be, keep in mind that what constitutes *you* is a large set of processes operating harmoniously, some incidentally operate with great autonomy, often for good reason, such as your heart, you have extremely limited and specific control over how it beats, and for good reason of course.

I have noticed certain arbitrary physiological effects under the influence of various drugs. On mushrooms, i eventually managed to confirm it wasnt just the serotonin induced tendency to clench ones jaw, but my gums would spontaneously begin bleeding, and quite hard too, then abruptly stop, like my body just decided to unload a bunch of blood that way, under certain conditions that is also a thing apparently, you have these sorts of overflow points where your body can dump blood for whatever reason a small amount of blood needs to be removed, and i think the blood vessels in your teeth work for that somehow.

Another more understandable one is being cold but then sweating really hard anyway while under the effects of a strong triptamine, and/or not sweating or responding correctly and often being uncomfortable with the temperature of ones room.
you have pathways that once activated will execute a sequence of events, resulting in something happening that normally requires say, a chemical trigger in the case of lachrymators (like cutting onions). I find with DMT especially on the come up, that the hallucinations go as far as interfering with my sense of touch in certain places, i breifly become aware of very specific teeth for instance as im overcome with these literal waves of hypersensitivity like you might get if you were inflamed and feeling pain somewhere enhancing your perception of touch in that area.

Another thing i actually read somewhere is that, and this is seperate from chitin sensitivity, but your gut is actually quite susceptible to hallucinating itself. it needs to modulate itself with a rythm which it does via touch, but, its a VERY long nerve extending through, so the brain has a very limited influence over it, and it handles digestion and mechanical motions in an autonomous reflexive sort of way, and tripping hard makes it trip hard too, causing it to either totally shut down (leading to constipation) or speed up (leading to diarrhea) and also in response to false irritation it normally responds by shedding water, the bowels can release water as readily as they can absorb it, which in turn can also cause diarrhea too.

i dont know what causes sticky skin specifically, like the mechanism, but if its a bodily function used to deal with a certain kind of waste excreted through the skin or, a process that is running too hard in response to a perceived stimulant/irritant, then its possible tripping, for you, causes this.

If you go to a pathology lab they can probably swab it and have an answer within a day or two.

 

[Jamie01]

Maybe histamine is involved?

I have gotten hives and mild rosacea like skin reactions from psychedelics. Not so much with vaped DMT but cacti, mushrooms and aya type brews have all done this to me. Cacti specifically can trigger my IBD as well. It’s a normal reaction for myself and due to an auto immune disease. Hot baths can also trigger the hives..nothing like you describe with coloured sticky skin etc though, and cleaned up extracts seem to eliminate some but not all of it.

A Benadryl seems to minimize the worst of it.

Hope you figure it out!

 

[The_Embalmer]

I'm feeling compelled to share some recent observations, with little bit of prefacing what i've been up to. I'm not looking for any sort of judgement as in 'your use has been abuse' type of deal, i can pretty much suss that out myself. Several days ago i hit about 60mg in my mighty vape and while i did feel something, it kinda shocked me a bit it was like a sort of TOTAL lockout. Normally I have pretty 'extreme' tolerance to DMT and I feel like my brain is just wired differently after so many years of chronic cannabis use. I remember a youtube video where an anesthesiologist or doctor was saying that people that do weed need way more of the sedative drugs they give in order to keep them sedated during surgery. Also I saw someones post on here talking about how cannabis seems to block DMT. This might not be true for everyone but I can definitely say I have for whatever reason a giant tolerance for DMT.

I've never fully broken through, there was a time where I was existing without my body existing. Not entirely, somewhere i could feel myself breathing there, but it was like total bliss, I have this theory that we are not our bodies we are the consciousness perceiving this reality or whatever but we associate 'ourselves' with these bodies we inhabit here but this body isn't the 'real me.' Anyways After I did the 60mg dose and felt almost nothing I was like okay maybe that is a sign to stop for a while. Ignored that as two days later I did another mighty hit, I think it was around 40-50mg and it was about the same. Anyways Still didn't completely persuade me from stopping, I mean even though I knew I had just done some 'monster hits' I thought maybe it was my vaping technique (even though for once I had actually achieved thick vapor with the mighty, and knew it wasn't my technique.)

Recently though I had another encounter with the void, I did a large hit of changa and there was a brief moment of nothingness when I closed my eyes. It was so immediate and total, I was just gone it freaked me out. Normally I see the waiting rooom pattern or whatever but this was just *poof* utter nothingness so I opened up my eyes and it was like I was back, phew. The next time I did it the next day, I also had a brief moment of like 'breakthrough.' I feel like when doing changa, the DMT kicks in faster than the MAOI and there is a brief few moments where it's a purely DMT high and then the harmalas start to ramp up and do their thing. So during the initial 'blast' I feel like I made contact with a cat entity or something, it was just a total blip and felt like what I could only describe as a glitch in the matrix but then it was gone.

Getting to the crux of this post, I would like to share some bizarre thing that has been happening the past few times. I sometimes do changa/freebase in the bathtub. Yes I know the bathtub isn't the best place to blast off but I don't tend to ever blast off. Even with like 150mg of changa I still don't get there. Anyways this has completely messed with me... this sticky skin experience. I have done changa baths many many many times but recently i had my skin literally turn all sticky on me. It's happened about 3 times so far. Maybe it doesn't even have to do at all with changa, or maybe it's just some sort of interaction with the MAO inhibitor or something. Because I feel like it wasn't imagined.

First time it was like I had noticed my shins and calves were coated in a blackish substance, I was like WHAT THE HECK... I was weirded out while on changa seeing this, the black stuff washed off and I felt like draining the bath and running another one, somehow I didn't want to be stewing in the bathtub with this black shit. I am thinking it was some microplastics from my sweatpants, had been biking and at the gym in these black pants. However I realized then it was like my whole freaking body had been sticky. I was freaking out and did my best to wash it off like using insane amounts of soap but it was really hard to get this residue off my skin, like castille soap just wasn't doing anything to get this off.

I was a bit weirded out by this experience, and did some googling on sticky skin. It turns out that you can get sticky skin from taking too much iodine, and I had been taking iodine recently, something I've never done before. As well, during one of my previous changa baths, i had the genius idea of putting peppermint oil in the bath water and found myself kinda burning all over. Google was also saying that sticky skin can be a result of undiluted essential oils.

So it's like the next time I go in the bath I had the same thing after doing changa, the weird sticky skin and I was freaking out thinking that I had somehow destroyed my skins dermal barrier somehow taking iodine or something (even though I was taking as much iodine as it was reccomended on the bottle) and/or melted it using peppermint oil. Also I had the whole static pattern overlay on my legs, kind of a leopard print looking thing. I was kind of mesmerized by the beauty of it but kinda just still a bit weirded out with the skin stickyness.

I had another bath just now, normally when doing my changa baths it's like I do it as soon as i jump in the water (and mind you i only put enough water so i can lay back fully and still be breathing fine) but this time I waited like 20 minutes or so, and I didn't have sticky skin. I thought it was gone, did the changa, Kept a hand on my chest or whatnot and I could literally feel my skin transition from 'normal skin' to this 'sticky film skin' over the course of like 5 seconds or so. I'm not sure what the heck is going on other than I'm taking an actual break this time. I've been going pretty solid with this whole changa mission for like well over a month now almost daily and it's time for some serious integration.

I'm not sure what the sticky skin issue is. Normally dmt/changa gives visual disturbances, like I have become a 'putty/clay person' many a time. Also I have experienced my own version of 'legoland' time and time and time again - my own version because I thought legoland was the specific 'caricature look' that reality takes on when on the molecule. But then I looked in the lexicon and it mentioned that legoland is like literally comprised of lego blocks. I don't get the lego block effect but things do take on this look. But I've never had any sort of tactile disturbances like this sticky skin thing. Like I could literally feel my fingers sticking after i rubbed my skin, and i could feel like i was actually sticking to the bottom of the bathtub. I've seen the pattern overlay and the visual distortions of reality but never something tactile. Also, I distinctly could taste something bitter in my mouth. I thought I was just imaginging things but it happened again and my theory was I was tasting the epsom salts in the water - seeping in through my skin. DMSO the solvent is suppsed to like carry things through the skin, I was thinking like maybe because my dermal barrier is messed up for whatever reason, my skin had become permeable. I've never done DMSO but I had the feeling if your skins lipid or dermal barrier or whatever is compromised stuff would be able to get in.

Google said that if you repeatedly have sticky skin happening u need to go see a dermatologist asap. But what just weirds me out is why did my skin 'transition' to being like sticky only after hitting the changa? Perhaps I could try taking a bath tomorrow and seeing if harmalas themselves produce the same effect, because I thought maybe there is some sort of interaction from the harmalas and whatever is goin on in my body right now. But the rapidity with which my skin changed to sticky after hitting changa makes me think it was all an illusion. But how convincing, like I said I was sticking to the bottom of the tub, not like stuck there but could feel my skin not sliding like it normally would. Anyways I get that it's time to take a good long break and do some integration and work, but this was too insane not to share. If anybody has any ideas or relevant insights/experience I would love to hear.

I'd really advise against smoking DMT in the bath or around any body of water. That is just asking for trouble. This is also a harm reduction website and for your safety and others its probably best to just skip being in the water all together while smoking a powerful psychedelic with the ability to make you lose complete touch with your physical surroundings.


In regards to the lock out and sticky skin, dmt is a highly personalized experience but if you have to come on and ask if you're doing too much or if you're experiencing repetitive insights that you're doing too much whether it be through interpretation of your experience or having to come on here and ask you most likely are and probably should take a break for a little bit

Coming from a place of love,

Be safe

 

[Jamie01]

^ these are not normal effects people experience from doing too much though…

 

[The_Embalmer]

I suppose I'm confused about the post then.

 

[aethereon]

Thanks to the people who replied. It's quite bizarre and perplexing. I almost didn't want to make the post because it only happened in the tub, and I know what the risks are with DMT and water are. I'm not at all recommending it to anyone and I get what the_embalmer is trying to say... wholeheartedly. This is also why I was saying I only put enough water in the tub where even laying on my back I can still breathe just fine. Still though, I get it, it's a wild card and better safe than sorry. The point of the post wasn't to ascertain whether or not I was 'overdoing' it but moreso the absolutely baffling thing which happened to my skin. Or at least, seems to have happened. I had to mention being in the water cause that's the only place it seems to have happened. And it may be absolutely in 'my mind' or a hallucination of sorts sort of like the static pattern overlay but it was just too bizarre not to share, had never encountered this before. In any case I'm chalking it up as a nice friendly reminder to chill out. When you get the message hang up the phone sort of deal, perhaps it's a nice reminder by the entities(if they truly do exist, outside of our minds) not to mess around. The last thing I need is a hyperslap and while I am pretty confident in my dosing, always use a scale, won't dose in order to break through etc. it's always a bit of a crapshoot, every experience is different and by my own admission I was even caught off guard once or twice, facing the void completely unexpectedly. Anyways yeah I'd be curious to see what a pathology lab has to say, I didn't think to actually swab it. If it ever happens again after my extended break I will for sure be doing that. This was sort of the freakiest thing I've had happen to me and I'm calling it being a hyperslap without being a hyperslap. The weirdest thing on top of the sticky skin was that it only happened after the changa and just how quickly my skin went from 'normal' to 'sticky' and this is primarily what makes me question whether it was all in my head or not. Like I could literally feel the transition happen when I had my hand on my chest within a matter of seconds. I was just mostly seeing if anyone had ever experienced this sticky skin situation.

On a related note, the static pattern overlay and my version of 'legoland' makes me again question the 'solitdity' of our reality, like we are used to thinking of the world as "out there" and composed of matter and while it I suppose is, even science is now catching up with the idea that matter is mostly empty space and it shouldn't really 'be there' or 'be solid' but it does appear to all be there. But like if taking a molecule like psilocybin or dimethyltriptamine can cause such profound and incredibly convicning perturbations in our reality, one could see that as some sort of anectodal evidence that we are generating the reality we are percieving is in fact being 'generated' within us by our perception of it. So as much as I'd like to think that the sticky skin situation was 'all in my head' even if it was it was reality for a short bit of time.

I forgot to mention that last night when I did it I sat in the tub for so long that the stickyness started going away, as the changa was wearing off. So it doesn't help me fugure out whether it was just 'imagined' or actually was becoming sticky. I'll get myself a sitter to come sit in the tub with me next time how about that

 

[Tripolation]

What herbs did you use in your changa? Perhaps there is some herb in there that is causing an allergic reaction? Just a thought.

If you are using Blue Lotus in your changa, that would be my first guess.

 

[aethereon]

What herbs did you use in your changa? Perhaps there is some herb in there that is causing an allergic reaction? Just a thought.

If you are using Blue Lotus in your changa, that would be my first guess.

To be honest I'm not completely sure. It was a sort of herbal smoking blend, I know it has mullein in it but there's a bunch of other herbs as well. I'll see if I can find out.

 

[(:Hulius:)]

Hi Aethereon,

my skin composition never changed after smoking changa, but it often overlays itself with patterns, as everything else does, and I've never smoked it in water.

What happens to me after inhaling changa is that i have to pee and clear my throat. The pee is often yellow even if I'm well hydrated and the saliva that comes out coughing is dark brown and slimy.

Kidneys and lungs are connected.

In regards to these excretions I've thought that these molecules, since they're often in freebase form, kind of make the body more basic and lead to a rapid purge of the molecules themselves and maybe other toxins that are already present in the body.

Since they're in a hot and gaseous state they diffuse really rapidly across the whole body, not only brought around by blood circulation but directly permeating cell membranes.

The body itself has many ways of purging: vomiting, laughing, coughing, peeing, defecating, breathing, singing, moving, sweating and many others. Furthermore each one of us has its own biological ways of doing this and mine could be really different than those of another living being, even another human.

So my take on this subject is that maybe you purge mainly by sweating and being that you are in water there's a kind of saponification of your sweat that contains the excreted basic molecules, leading to sticky skin.

My 2c.

 

[aethereon]

Thanks Huilius, that could very well be it. I definitely do tend to sweat a lot, and for sure the absorption via the lungs/vapor happens quite quickly. Also I did note in my initial post that the initial few seconds after inhaling changa seemed to be the DMT(given the waiting room visuals which come on more or less instantly) and shortly thereafter the harmala effects seem to come on, which is around the time that the sticky factor seemed to happen. Anyways giving it a good break, I think it's needed, has been for a while but this was the final straw so to speak.