Still more miss than hit with GVG

[Mt.B]

Today I tried again to break through with some Spice in my GVG. I still don’t seem to be able to get the right technique to get the Spice to vaporize quickly enough to be gone in 1 to 2 hits. Today I think I came a little closer to the correct technique with the help of the Spice. 25>30mg, Forest setting, 2nd hit and it’s all looking nicely warped with flashes in my peripheral vision. It didn’t feel like I was going to lift off, but as I was exhaling I felt like I was getting shown how to breathe. As I slowly exhaled some out then a little more fresh oxygen back in, stepping my exhale out like this, I could ‘see’ the forest change subtly with my breath. It was very cool, even if I didn’t break through. There seems to be a sweat spot with the speed at which you inhale while hitting, am I right? I have found that breaking the dose up into small bits helps to get it to vaporize better too.

 

[endlessness]

Are you using a torch lighter ? Is it straight dmt or is it changa? if just dmt, do you have a stainless steel or copper scrub to prevent melting/leakage?

 

[Mt.B]

Are you using a torch lighter ? Is it straight dmt or is it changa? if just dmt, do you have a stainless steel or copper scrub to prevent melting/leakage?

Speedy on the reply!
Yes to Torch lighter (turboflame), straight DMT, I've got a copper pad inserted into the GVG.

 

[corpus callosum]

Your set-up sounds right.Make sure your copper wad is not too tight so the vapour can flow through unimpeded and get your 20ish mgs inhaled in one breath.That should do the trick:wink:

 

[Mt.B]

Your set-up sounds right.Make sure your copper wad is not too tight so the vapour can flow through unimpeded and get your 20ish mgs inhaled in one breath.That should do the trick:wink:

This could be my problem maybe? Here's my setup:

 

[Mt.B]

To a trained eye, does this look like melt through or just a GVG in need of a clean? :roll:

 

[Hyperspace Fool]

If you find that you are unable to hold your breath until all the vapor is absorbed, try the balloon technique I posted. The Balloon: A very useful tip for my entheo-comrades - Other - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

Basically, just exhale into a balloon and continue to hit your GVG untill you got every last bit. You can do it bit by bit, no problem. Then when the balloon is full of your exhaled alks, you can hit off the balloon. Once you try it, you will see how it works. It is somewhat more efficient than the step breath you describe (which does help, btw).

Balloons can get weak after a while, so change them before they burst on you.

Also, try hyper ventillating for half a minute before you toke. That will radically increase the time you can hold your breath.

One more thing, it is possible that your copper pad is too far away from the heating element. If you move it up even a few millimeters, it will increase the speed of vaporisation.

Good luck man.

[Edit: You certainly have some unvaped spice in there. You can vape it by taking out the plug and holding the flame above the open bowl. Be carefull not to burn the spice, and also not to overdo your hits. It is likely that you have more than a breakthrough worth there.]

 

[smokerx]

Make sure the mesh does not touches the glass walls. Also It looks like you copper mesh is burned ... how come it is so dark ? Make new one, the thickness should be around 1mm and make sure its not too tight as I said it should move freely inside ( it should not be touching the glass walls).

There are many threads on this forum about this.

oh yes and clean your pipe often with alcohol or acetone.

 

[endlessness]

Can you describe how close you put the lighter to the bowl, when do you move it away or stop lighting, how do you inhale etc?

You can wash your pipe with alcohol and re-evap onto some herbs to retrieve spice.. The more spice is condensed there, the more it tends to condense, therefore making an innefective vaporization, try to clean your gvg every couple of launches if possible. And yeah what smokerx said

 

[Mt.B]

Here's a picture with the plug in.
Thanks for all your input too, much appreciated. The copper mesh went this colour when I 1st made it. I heated it up on a gas stove to burn off any unwanted chems. My copper mess sounds like it needs reworking as it's thicker than 1mm and is jammed in there. I'll rework it and see how it goes.
Awesome, thanks again for your time on stuff that has already been covered.

 

[gibran2]

Your copper disc is too thick and too dense. Too much of it is in contact with glass. Also, you need to clean your GVG much more often. My guess is that much of your dose is migrating to the glass and that a good part of your dose is condensing.

You probably aren’t getting much of a dose.

With a properly sized and shaped copper disc in a clean GVG, the entire dose will vaporize in a few seconds and will take less than a full lungful of air to inhale. In other words, it’s easy to inhale a full dose (20-40mg) in a single hit with the GVG.

(Also, have they changed the design of the GVG? Yours doesn't look anything like mine from what I can see.)

 

[Mt.B]

Can you describe how close you put the lighter to the bowl, when do you move it away or stop lighting, how do you inhale etc?

You can wash your pipe with alcohol and re-evap onto some herbs to retrieve spice.. The more spice is condensed there, the more it tends to condense, therefore making an innefective vaporization, try to clean your gvg every couple of launches if possible. And yeah what smokerx said

I've being trying all sorts of methods trying to get it right. Today it was; Move the torch in so the tip of the blue part of the flame was level with the top of the plug for about the last 3 secs of my exhale before inhaling to pre warm.
The torch would stay here and I was adjusting my intake speed, ever so slightly, to see if this would create more or less vapor. I would say that my intake was about half as slow as a meditative breath. The flame was in this position the whole time. It looks like it's my pad that's the problem going on gibran2's pictures. Thanks for posting.
I've done a acetone clean and soaked it into Mullein once before. I'll be doing it again before my next try. Along with the copper pad changes.

 

[Mt.B]

Here's the whole pipe.

 

[smokerx]

Here's the whole pipe.

my looks like this ^, what kind of GVG do you have gibran2 ?

 

[gibran2]

Here's the whole pipe.

my looks like this ^, what kind of GVG do you have gibran2 ?

Mine doesn't have the deep indentations around the "bowl" area and the bowl doesn't seem to be as tapered. I think they're hand-shaped, so each one is probably a bit different.

 

[smokerx]

I don't know it looks the same to me

 

[tele]

3-4mm pressed and round copper mesh is perfect. Make sure not to apply too much heat when vaporizing. Keep the torch lighter's tip about 1cm above the bowl.

 

[Mt.B]

3-4mm pressed and round copper mesh is perfect. Make sure not to apply too much heat when vaporizing. Keep the torch lighter's tip about 1cm above the bowl.

OK, I'll try that distance next time I do a vapor. Thanks for everyones input! It was difficult to get to sleep last night with my head working over the potential of the mods. Will not rush into it, I'll wait until I have what could feel like the the proper head & heart and let you know how it goes.

 

[Mt.B]

Mine doesn't have the deep indentations around the "bowl" area and the bowl doesn't seem to be as tapered. I think they're hand-shaped, so each one is probably a bit different.

I reckon our disks in the pipe section look different too. Yours looks like it has more of a taper.

 

[Mt.B]

After revamping my GVG it's been sitting there ready to go. Last night I was trying to plant some seeds out in the garden but the rain was a little too much, so I pulled up a chair in the shed with the door open and enjoyed 'being' while I waiting for it to stop. Then my mind remembered the GVG... I loaded up a 5mg dose to go over technique with the new setup. Nice warm glowing feeling but not the instant nice white vapor that I reading about. Back in side to load up 15mg. I could see that some Spice had gotten between the pad and glass wall right in my line of sight, so I watched this as I inhaled slowly and applied heat... Nice plume of white vapor appeared as it disappeared, in it all went. It felt right and it sure was! BANG! Rainbow octagons overlaying consensus reality, quickly followed by cartoon reality that became less and less detailed as my mind tried to focused on a milk carton collecting dripping rain in front of me. I thought I'd pissed my pants, it was that intense!:shock: :lol:

Thanks again for your help with my setup everyone. Next stop a larger dose and who knows maybe Hyperspace...