Stoney LSA Process

[StoneyBroski]

1. Starting with 1000 Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds frozen 24 hours and ground to a fine powder with a mortar and pestle, deposit your powder into a jar and cover with petroleum ether, allow to sit 24 hours, filter, cover with fresh petroleum ether and allow to sit 24 more hours, filter, allow the powder to air dry.

2. Once the dry powder loses its smell return to a jar and cover with acetone for 48 hours, filter and collect acetone, repeat the acetone pulls 3-5 times for 24 hours at a time, combine acetone pulls and reduce acetone to dryness with a hot water bath and a fan.

3. Pour ~50-100ml water into the jar with the black tar collected and add a pinch of tartaric acid, stir relentlessly, filter the water extract, repeat acid pull 2-3 times, combine water extracts and bring PH to 3-4 using potassium carbonate and PH strips. Reduce the pale colored water to dryness and rinse the crystalline mass with acetone to remove any left over acid.

4. Allow the white crystalline powder to dry and pour everclear (or 100% ethanol) into the mass, stir rigorously and filter. Repeat ethanol pulls 2-3 times, combining and collecting ethanol extracts. Reduce the ethanol to 10-20ml and pour onto tabs to reduce further, rinse the container with a dash of ethanol and add it to the tabs (or pour into jello and gelatin mixture for gummies.)

In conclusion this method has proven magnificent in extraction and provides quality LSA with 0 nausea and no taste. Lasts 6-10 hours. Amazing stuff.

 

[Ruffles]

Thank you for this

Can you share images or more detailed descriptions of the results? Specifically of the loaded acetone (color, looks), the "black tar" after acetone (gooey, just dark or reddish yellowish, smell?), "white crystalline powder" (damn, that sounds so good) and final ethanol loaded product? In UV light?

From what you are saying the white crystalline powder can be washed in acetone, means the tartaric actives are not soluble in it? Why not TASA the loaded acetone instead of drying it?

And how much to take of the final 10-20 mL of loaded ethanol from 1000 seeds for the claimed effects?

Very similar to Kash's, with changes on the defatting with ether and the water wash in step 3.

 

[Fungalize]

1. Starting with 1000 Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds frozen 24 hours and ground to a fine powder with a mortar and pestle, deposit your powder into a jar and cover with petroleum ether, allow to sit 24 hours, filter, cover with fresh petroleum ether and allow to sit 24 more hours, filter, allow the powder to air dry.

2. Once the dry powder loses its smell return to a jar and cover with acetone for 48 hours, filter and collect acetone, repeat the acetone pulls 3-5 times for 24 hours at a time, combine acetone pulls and reduce acetone to dryness with a hot water bath and a fan.

3. Pour ~50-100ml water into the jar with the black tar collected and add a pinch of tartaric acid, stir relentlessly, filter the water extract, repeat acid pull 2-3 times, combine water extracts and bring PH to 3-4 using potassium carbonate and PH strips. Reduce the pale colored water to dryness and rinse the crystalline mass with acetone to remove any left over acid.

4. Allow the white crystalline powder to dry and pour everclear (or 100% ethanol) into the mass, stir rigorously and filter. Repeat ethanol pulls 2-3 times, combining and collecting ethanol extracts. Reduce the ethanol to 10-20ml and pour onto tabs to reduce further, rinse the container with a dash of ethanol and add it to the tabs (or pour into jello and gelatin mixture for gummies.)

In conclusion this method has proven magnificent in extraction and provides quality LSA with 0 nausea and no taste. Lasts 6-10 hours. Amazing stuff.

What impact is the use of tartaric acid and potassium carbonate having on the process? From what I understand it's the acidification and thereby freebase-->salt of the lysergamides? What is the advantage of this? Is methanol not a better solvent for the crystalline form of the alkaloids than water...or does the altered pH invert this?

Thanks for the tek though this is succinct and looks good.

 

[StoneyBroski]

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Thank you for this

Can you share images or more detailed descriptions of the results? Specifically of the loaded acetone (color, looks), the "black tar" after acetone (gooey, just dark or reddish yellowish, smell?), "white crystalline powder" (damn, that sounds so good) and final ethanol loaded product? In UV light?

From what you are saying the white crystalline powder can be washed in acetone, means the tartaric actives are not soluble in it? Why not TASA the loaded acetone instead of drying it?

And how much to take of the final 10-20 mL of loaded ethanol from 1000 seeds for the claimed effects?

Very similar to Kash's, with changes on the defatting with ether and the water wash in step 3.

Will send pics when I find the time, the process has been a smashing success for me making lsa tabs. The tar is black, and not all oils are absorbed into the water when TA solution is pulled, lots won't mix. TASA could theoretically work, but the micro crystalline lsa may be filtered through or some may be decanted off if TASA was used, I see it easier to just wash the dried lsa with acetone, works well.

Dose is its own thing, 1000 seeds from here may be less potent than from there, if heat, PH, and recovery aren't kept an eye on it can lower yield, but for the sake of an answer, I decided to potentiate my tabs, what was initially going to be 1000/80 (80 tabs at ~12.5 seed ext) is now 63 tabs at ~ 15.9 seed doses, I'd imagine tossing 1000 seed extract into 100ml of ethanol would make 1.25ml a 12.5 seed dose, mild, 2.5 would be a common dose of roughly 25 seeds.



These pictures show the initial seed mass, dark acetone pulls, tar from evaporation, the tartrate solution pulling the alkaloids and becoming a pale amber-yellow, evaporation and the product after acetone washed. Awaiting ethanol pull, which will dissolve selectively the lsa and nothing else from the potassium carbonate-lysergimide conjunction. UV shows glow in the crystals. Feels so impatient... But I do love the work.

 

[StoneyBroski]

What impact is the use of tartaric acid and potassium carbonate having on the process? From what I understand it's the acidification and thereby freebase-->salt of the lysergamides? What is the advantage of this? Is methanol not a better solvent for the crystalline form of the alkaloids than water...or does the altered pH invert this?

Thanks for the tek though this is succinct and looks good.

I initially pull a mass of alkaloids with the acetone, then pull with the tartaric acid, which leaves behind lots of extra junk that got pulled over with the lsa. I didn't do any research on methanol with my process because I wanted something food safe enough to eat without bad conscience and my methanol access is less than food safe, however theoretically it would probably work with methanol being both are soluble, basifying should still work, evap, and ethanol pull to remove potassium carbonate left, probably quicker low temp evaporation, if you have food safe methanol, wouldn't be a bad idea. Lsa Ta is very competitively stable to other salts. I use the potassium carbonate because I had it, but not baking soda. The potassium carbonate is used to adjust pH to stable for the lsa. Evaporation of the aqueous leaves the crystalline mass, pulls with ethanol yield the lsa product, clean as f#@#

 

[Fungalize]

I initially pull a mass of alkaloids with the acetone, then pull with the tartaric acid, which leaves behind lots of extra junk that got pulled over with the lsa.

So you're pulling all of the alkaloids with acetone, and then more selectively the lysergamides/clavines with the tartaric acid + water solution, making a more purified extract with less unnecessary/inactive compounds (left over from the acetone pull).

I didn't do any research on methanol with my process because I wanted something food safe enough to eat without bad conscience and my methanol access is less than food safe

Fair enough - trace amounts (literally tens of mL) of methanol can very easily be fatal. However, I'm inclined to believe that it would be a more effective solvent for the lysergamides, as it is the predominant choice in MG alkaloid content analysis literature. It should (correct me if I'm wrong) also evap very easily at room temp and not be too worrisome in terms of safety. Regardless I understand the reserve.

Lsa Ta is very competitively stable to other salts.

It sure seems to be based on your results...does anyone have any idea why this is? I'm not familiar with any chemistry based reasoning for this.

 

[Ruffles]

Beautiful Stoney. Thank you for your art.

Does it smell dmt-ish or plasticy like or ... ? Am I seeing a blueish yellow (green) tinge to it? What's the moderate dose trip like? Tartaric acid could be replaced with fumaric or citric or ascorbic? Potassium carbonate with sodium carbonate? The pHs in each step?

Please throw more of your knowledge out for us! Definitely an impatient feel.

 

[StoneyBroski]

LSD is also more stable as a tartrate salt, being lysergimides are unstable as is, I figured I'd use something known effective on other lysergimides. I've tried citric (turns waxy) and fumaric, both were fell short of tartaric.

The smell is... Nothing. No smell, barely even smells like water. An impatient hand eats some crystals and notes the tastelessness, after half an hour a familiar sense of drunken euphoria and comfortable sedation washes over.

 

[StoneyBroski]

Beautiful Stoney. Thank you for your art.

Does it smell dmt-ish or plasticy like or ... ? Am I seeing a blueish yellow (green) tinge to it? What's the moderate dose trip like? Tartaric acid could be replaced with fumaric or citric or ascorbic? Potassium carbonate with sodium carbonate? The pHs in each step?

Please throw more of your knowledge out for us! Definitely an impatient feel.

So you're pulling all of the alkaloids with acetone, and then more selectively the lysergamides/clavines with the tartaric acid + water solution, making a more purified extract with less unnecessary/inactive compounds (left over from the acetone pull).


Fair enough - trace amounts (literally tens of mL) of methanol can very easily be fatal. However, I'm inclined to believe that it would be a more effective solvent for the lysergamides, as it is the predominant choice in MG alkaloid content analysis literature. It should (correct me if I'm wrong) also evap very easily at room temp and not be too worrisome in terms of safety. Regardless I understand the reserve.


It sure seems to be based on your results...does anyone have any idea why this is? I'm not familiar with any chemistry based reasoning for this.

 

[Ruffles]

I've tried citric (turns waxy) and fumaric, both were fell short of tartaric.

Ah that is unfortunate. I would expect citric to be gooey... but why exactly the fumaric fell short?