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I am going to do a straight to base extraction on mimosa hostilis. I can't seem to find lye in usual stores.

What can i buy at a store to bring up the pH. Would pipe cleaners with NaOH work? What else could i use. Btw i live in canada.

Some of the big stores where i live:

Canadian Tire
Home Hardware
Home Depot
Walmart

thats all i can think of at the moment
 
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Yeah, without lye or potassium hydroxide, you really can't do an STB.
There's speculation that its possible to do an A/B on MHRB using sodiun carbonate made at home from sodium bicarbonate.
There's a thread about it on these boards and my friend is boiling up some bark right now to try it out.

DON'T use drain cleaner. It has surfactants in it that you'll never get rid of.
 
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SWIM and his friends all use either ammonia or sodium carbonate for A/B extractions and they all get great yields with those. Both of those can bring a solution up to pH 11. That's plenty enough for all A/B extractions. After two friends of SWIM ended up in jail after being reported for purchasing sodium hydroxide, none of SWIM's friends use that anymore. Sodium hydroxide is good for STB techs, but not needed at all for normal A/B extractions. Sodium carbonate is sold in some local stores as "washing soda". It can also be made by baking sodium bicarbonate (common baking soda) in the oven. Another base commonly used for extracting from Yopo is calcium hydroxide (sold as pickling lime). This is a very strong base. It can bring a solution up to pH 12.4 and can be used in an STB tech, but you need to soak a little longer, that's all.
 
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I really don't think that an STB will work without a LOT of lye or KOH.
One needs to dissolve the plant material, not just reach a certain pH required for a chemical reaction to occur.
And if one has the time for a long soak, they might as well do an A/B and get cleaner product from the go.
Anyway, my friend plans to make some carbonate tomorrow and do extractions with that, calcium hydroxide, and 10% ammonia on 200g MHRB cooked in twice in 1/2 vinegar water , reduced by half, and clarified with six egg whites.
We'll see what happens.
If nothing, he'll dump in some lye and proceed as normal.
Buy lye like you're being watched now fellas.
Pay cash and have a soap making recipe in your pocket.
NEVER buy lye with any kind of solvent whatsoever.
Be safe out there.
 
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Noman said:
I really don't think that an STB will work without a LOT of lye or KOH.
One needs to dissolve the plant material, not just reach a certain pH required for a chemical reaction to occur.
And if one has the time for a long soak, they might as well do an A/B and get cleaner product from the go.
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STB WITH CALCIUM HYDROXIDE

When using calcium hydroxide, it needs to be a thick muddy consistency and the bark needs to be powder. Mix 1:1 of powder bark to calcium hydroxide. Add enough water to make it thick, like wet clay. You let it sit covered overnight. Then you extract with naphtha or heptane. It works quite well actually.
 
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Theoretically Na carbonate will work only about 0.01% less than lye (which can basify up above 13). But lye can help break up emulsions and bits of bark, so its efficiency is probably much greater than 0.01%. It should work fine, however, if you have no emulsion trouble.
 
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There’s no need to use sodium hydroxide. There are many other bases out there that can be made to work for pretty much any plant extraction out there. Sodium hydroxide has been made popular, but it’s just one of many bases that work.

SWIM uses sodium carbonate all the time without any problems. SWIM stopped using sodium hydroxide long ago because its too dangerous, and in some places it is becoming a watched chemical. Sodium hydroxide at pH 13+ is better for STB techs though (which SWIM never does unless he uses the pH 12 calcium hydroxide STB tech, which is a different tech), and it can help break emulsions specific to mimosa (but can cause emulsions with some other plants like Psychotria). SWIM uses sodium carbonate with all standard A/B techs with pretty much every plant, including mimosa and gets good yields with it, even topping some of the reports out there that used sodium hydroxide. It’s all about technique.

When SWIM doesn’t use sodium carbonate he uses calcium hydroxide. Calcium hydroxide is unique and is very useful in some odd extraction techs. For example, the acetone citrate precipitation tech for Yopo/Vilca uses calcium hydroxide, citric acid, water and acetone and can extract nearly pure bufotenine without any emulsions because it’s not an A/B extraction tech.

Also the STB tech for mimosa using calcium hydroxide is pretty good. It’s not quite as good as using sodium hydroxide, but nearly so, and much safer. But the whole tech is different. You use powder bark and mix it with 1 part calcium hydroxide, then add enough water to make it like wet clay. You cover it, let it sit overnight, and then extract the DMT with heptane. It’s easy and works pretty good. But SWIM prefers A/B techs because they nearly always produce cleaner results.
 
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