Stronger is not Better

[chocobeastie]

I had the occaison on smoking a blend containing Harmalas and no vine, and it was awful - too hard to smoke, the experience was far too scattered and didn't last very long.

Also, I tried a blend containing no Ayahuasca and only some herbs @ 50% strength. It was ok, but still there was no duration at all, and no warm afterglow.

From talking to people out there in the big bad wide world, it seems many are going for these 50% or even 60% blends.

Stronger is not better folks. I prefer a tiny little bit to smoke myself, and this is not "weak", it is lovely.

The point is, DMT is strong enough, or even too strong anyway for most people. I met this guy who told me someone gave him some changa at a festival in a somewhat casual manner and it blew his head off and really scared him off Changa or DMT. He was a smart, switched on guy too, not an idiot muggle, but a masters in Literature.

Point is, Changa is not DMT. It is its own beast. Sure, 40-50% is still often good for sub-breakthrough experiences, but just remember, not everyone can handle that. Especially, if you are sharing with new friends.

The reason why the original blends were @ 20-25% is that we found in our extensive testing with hundreds of people, that this was *strong enough* for many people. Even some people had problems with blends over 20%. Many regular folks have had miraculous shifts @ 20%, but @ 40% it was just far too scary and strange for them, and their experiences had a tendency to go quite dark.

When we began sharing Changa, it became a way that many people could realise that DMT was gentle too, that it didn't always need to blow their heads off. (as crystal DMT has a tendency to do) That they could sit with it, and make friends with it, and the plants. Many solid and cool people found enormous value in this - as there are many people out there, who have had some very powerful DMT experiences. Just chilling out with it and reconciling with the space has enormous value, and this is one of many uses of Changa.

Changa is meant to be a safe way for *anyone* to benefit from DMT, Ayahuasca and the plants - not just another way to blast into hyperspace.

 

[christian]

I thought the whole point of Changa was to give smoked Dmt a more MAOI grounding. I wouldn't agree it's something that should be used to introduce people to dmt, neither would i advise this kinda thinking or promoting.

--People should only get interested in such matters when there is a genuine calling, because untill then..the mind is not ready IMO. Certainly not the stuff for adolescent kids or uptight busy businessmen..

 

[actualfactual]

Stronger is not better folks.

Different strokes for different folks..

Point is, Changa is not DMT. It is its own beast. Sure, 40-50% is still often good for sub-breakthrough experiences, but just remember, not everyone can handle that. Especially, if you are sharing with new friends.

Many of us here smoke specifically to breakthrough. Also, 50% changa is just as well suited for pre-breakthrough experiences as 25%, you just need to adjust the dose accordingly.

 

[SHroomtroll]

I agree with this statement, always when ive made changa stronger than 40% it get´s hard to dose and preety sticky so it´s hard to handle and smoke.

nowadays i usually do blends around 30% on chaliponga leaf and preety high on harmalas, this gives a flexible mix that i can smoke in a joint if i want and still can blow my mind if needed.

 

[chocobeastie]

I thought the whole point of Changa was to give smoked Dmt a more MAOI grounding. I wouldn't agree it's something that should be used to introduce people to dmt, neither would i advise this kinda thinking or promoting.

Well, I don't believe that harmalas necessarily give it a MAOI grounding. My experience, admittedly, only one experience -are that harmalas scatter the experience, rather than ground. But I have also seen other people smoke harmalas and DMT all day and I saw first hand, how scattered that made them!

Also, 50% changa is just as well suited for pre-breakthrough experiences as 25%, you just need to adjust the dose accordingly.

Yes, but in that case, there is less herbal influence, especially if using Ayahuasca vine or leaf.

I met a man many years who told me that the problem with Ayahuasca is that it normally goes to those who need it least...

thing is, adolescent kids and uptight businessmen can get the most from smoking DMT in any form - Changa being its most available form.

You guys are the elite here, and do not represent the issues and needs of the wider populice. We are dealing with a medecine here that can help a lot of people! I personally feel it is the responsibility of people who make this, not to just keep it for themselves, but to share it with the wider community.

I know that can be tricky sometimes, especially in narky countries like the U.S.

But if you hit the right person at the right time, it can change their life. I know a guy who would go to nightclubs, find the most miserable looking person and then give them DMT! One of these people, ended up being a wealthy businessman, who said later that the experience changed his life and saved his marriage. He gave my friend a $10,000 van as a reward for giving him that experience!

--People should only get interested in such matters when there is a genuine calling, because untill then..the mind is not ready IMO.

In Australia, there is plenty of DMT around. It can be quite rare to meet a switched on person, who has not smoked DMT. A lot of the time, a friend introduced it to them. Point is, a dose of 20-25% can really transform the mind smoothly and gently- 40-50% is too much. I know that is what many of you guys are into. I am just saying, lets be aware that the world is a big place and many people out there can benefit from these materials. The bias people may have on this forum toward high potency or high MAOI is not necessarily reflective of what is good for a lot of people in the "real world"

nowadays i usually do blends around 30% on chaliponga leaf

For sure, 30% is a good flexible strength to blend at.

 

[christian]

--People should only get interested in such matters when there is a genuine calling, because untill then..the mind is not ready IMO. Certainly not the stuff for adolescent kids or uptight busy businessmen..

--Choco, i'm all for people opening their minds, etc. But only in a sensible manner. I wouldn't go about promoting something like Changa, because that's something that one finds out for oneself, when there is a need to do so IMO. If i was to help anyone, it would simply be to pass on some websites, where they could do their own research, and take responsability for their own actions.

--You don't want to be another Peter Aziz do you?? :surprised :arrow: 8)

(--Let them learn to find their way themselves, like you did...I have every faith that if they NEED spiritual assistence, they will recieve assistence, be it in their dreams, or whatever...)

 

[jamie]

I dont really get what the big deal is..why not just smoke less if you find more DMT too overwhelming? A stronger mix just means to get to the same place you dont have to inhale as much carcinogenic smoke..

I also domnt understand what some guy having a masters in literature has to do with anything..that means nothing at all when it comes to being able to deal with a DMT trip..yeah thats what DMT does..it blows you away. If you are not blown away you are just taking little doses, which is fine..but nowhere is it written that changa must be taken in tiny little doses or that breakthroughs should be avoided.

I agree stronger is not better though...and at the same time neither is weaker..

 

[christian]

--Intelligence works best.

 

[chocobeastie]

It is not about "helping" anyone per se, it is about making it possible for people to have this gnosis. They have got to find their way to something in the first place...

I was inspired by a recent thread here someone said they were going to open an underground DMT clinic for drug users.

Now, that is a great attitude to have! To give those a chance to experience what you have experienced.

Unfortunately, western society is so individualised, that people often have a mean and unsharing attitude.

--You don't want to be another Peter Aziz do you??

You have no idea.... ;-)

>but nowhere is it written that changa must be taken in tiny little doses or that breakthroughs should be avoided.

only I am putting it out there, be careful of the others you are sharing it with.

I'm just talking about the original reason why Changa even existed in the first place - so that people could experience the benefits of DMT along with Ayahuasca and not get their head blown off every time. Only the real "heads" (i.e. people like you guys), are going to want it really strong all the time. This is a good thing to remember.

 

[jamie]

to be honest I do not find it useful to always break through. I like to be able to take smaller hits and drive the experience with tonal singing/humming..it results in very very deep energetic work that can leave me feeling more cleansed than a full on breakthrough experience when a breakthrough is not what I needed..other times I feel like I need a breakthrough.

The same goes for ayahuasca..some days I will feel like I require 1g of mimosa to lay down and work with my energy on a more subtle level with crystals etc..other nights I might drink 5 or 6 g of mimosa..it all just depends. It takes time to get enough experiencce with DMT to get this sort of a feel for it though.

 

[Xt]

I approve.

 

[christian]

--You don't want to be another Peter Aziz do you??

You have no idea.... ;-)

--Like i said Chocobeastie, intelligence is best. There is a right and wrong way to get the spirit molecule to people that may benefit from it. We all know full well just how the media LOVES to rubbish and demonise psychadelics, so let's not give them the opportunity..

 

[chocobeastie]

>it results in very very deep energetic work that can leave me feeling more cleansed

That is EXACTLY what I am talking about here.... this is a significant aspect of these plants that can help people on so many levels. For those of us who have been working with these plants for a very long time, this cleansing and energetic work can become primary.

I don't have any real need or desire to breakthrough these days. Been there, done that!

Christian,

I do not see it so black and white, that there is a right and wrong way here. It is just not so simple. Some people in some countries do not even have awareness this molecule exists at all.

There are some who take it upon themselves to go to such countries as missionaries of a sort, educate and show the locals how to extract DMT. If you would see, say, how many people gave up drug addictions, and changed their life around, and how cultures develop of people smoking DMT in ceremonial respect, that leads many people to further powerful healing work with Ayahuasca and so on, because of such missionary work, you would not say this is the wrong way.

There are many ways of sharing, MOST of them are very risky. Very few, are going to be willing to risk all to do this sort of work. But to those who do it, I take my hats off to them.

 

[christian]

When i say there is a right and wrong way to do this i mean to do it discretely. Dmt is currently illegal in most countries in the world and i doubt it will be made legal because of such promotion. No, it will only be allowed in a medical setting like Psilocybin is used. Actually it wouldn't surprise me if such activities give the DEA, and media all the attention they need to for once and for aLL bAN all dmt stuff, dye and stuff..and impose heavy sentences...That is why i say there is an intelligent right and wrong way. We all know what the media and police are like, and don't think they are gonna change their tune overnight either....:shock: ... ...

 

[chocobeastie]

Christian,

Sure you don't work for the DEA? Your post is very U.S. centric. The world is a very big place you know!

It doesn't matter if it is "allowed" or not, people will do what they will.

It is too big now already, the media and the DEA can't do anything about it and people will just find ways of working around any possible restrictions.

In Australia, it has already been in the media, and the authorities realised that the more attention they gave it, the more people worked out they could make DMT for themselves from the local flora! In the U.S., the worst they could do was get hardcore on MHRB... but even as it stands, in tight as a rats arse Australia, people still order MHRB and it gets through. With a bit of discretion, you can pretty much mail anything into the U.S. and it will get through.

The Brazilians and mexicans (and indonesians etc) are going to sell root bark to whoever buys it and it might as well be coffee if its in powdered form.

A lot of people don't seem to see the transformational potential of this material... for a world that normally looks like its going to hell in a handbasket, I don't see what we have to lose at this point.

I can only assume that the only reason you are giving the authorities so much power is because you are one of them! Your cheesy avatar and taking the piss signature is a dead give away! ;-)

Thanks for playing.

 

[jamie]

this is true. Reguardless of laws mimosa will always be available. People still get Iboga in countries where it is banned..and why? becasue someone will always be willing to send it. Mimosa is already illegal in the USA and people still order it without problems. Here in Canada mimosa is legal, but even it it were outlawed someone from brazil would still be willing to send it here. Mimosa is not going to leave planet earth. It is better though if it does not get to that point.

 

[Dorge]

I don't think stronger is better at all. honestly I think here is so much potential for so many different types of changa blends and concentrations that it's definitely up to the individual and their intention as to what they are trying to accomplish and why with their blend that, honestly, is what really counts. Changa has a great potential, as great as ayahuasca itself, and ayahuasca is brewed traditionally in MANY different ways, for many different purposes.
There's an entire spiritual alchemy to changa just waiting to be fully explored, which includes setting, preparation and more. Stronger really doesn't even come close to approaching the finer qualities that changa can expose.
I honor the mystery that is changa.

 

[christian]

Christian, I can only assume that the only reason you are giving the authorities so much power is because you are one of them! Your cheesy avatar and taking the piss signature is a dead give away! ;-)

Thanks for playing.

--No insult intended Choco, but to assume is to make an ass out of U and me!!...I do not work for the DEA, but i am a sensible individual. There is already all the information on the internet to serve the needs of those on a spiritual quest. THERE IS NO NEED TO GO ABOUT PUSHING DMT. It's acts like this that cause the bad media attention that nobody wants. So why are you attacking me. Please wise up a little, we don't need any more salvia sillyness to move over into the sacred spirit molecule.

--If some people don't know about the spirit molecule, then it's because they are not at the stage in their life where they are really interested in their own spirituality. Using the internet to research spirituality, it's not difficult to be linked to psychadelics, etc.

--And for gods sake, don't go insulting my avatar and judjing me again like that, when you know nothing about me. I think you need to grow up and think a bit about having a more responsible attitude. So far you haven't shown one!

 

[christian]

Christian, I can only assume that the only reason you are giving the authorities so much power is because you are one of them! Your cheesy avatar and taking the piss signature is a dead give away! ;-)

Thanks for playing.

>Choco, to call a mushroom avatar cheezy, is to insult the 'god's' !!:surprised , and to not understand the meaning of my signature is to not understand 'god's' work. To assume i'm from the states could not illustrate your lack of understanding even more...i'm British , you noo noo!! :lol:

--No insult intended Choco, but to assume is to make an ass out of U and me!!...I do not work for the DEA, but i am a sensible individual. There is already all the information on the internet to serve the needs of those on a spiritual quest. THERE IS NO NEED TO GO ABOUT PUSHING DMT. It's acts like this that cause the bad media attention that nobody wants. So why are you attacking me. Please wise up a little, we don't need any more salvia sillyness to move over into the sacred spirit molecule. There have already been e bay clampdowns, and we don't want more of them...:roll:

--If some people don't know about the spirit molecule, then it's because they are not at the stage in their life where they are really interested in their own spirituality. Using the internet to research spirituality, it's not difficult to be linked to psychadelics, etc. Sure, tell people about where to research, but then leave them to it.....All we need is more "Peter Aziz" shamans to ruin it for all of us!!! :? ....get my drift now??

 

[Purges]

I love my 1:1 Changa! I actually prefer it to the 1:3 stuff I made. But, different strokes for different folks I guess...