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In the urban myth's thread, the use of strychnine is mentioned.
Strychnin is a compound that occurs naturally in some plants and one of them is nux-vomica, of wich all kinds of mild extracts are available in many countries as over-the-counter medicine for all kinds of purposses.
I once combined nux-vomica with LSD.

Although i don't want to be held responsible in case some nut read's this and poison's himself with an absurdly large amount of nux-vomica, wich no-doubt is possible if one is truly a nut-head, i can say that it the two combine rather well.
The LSD was significantly amplified and there where no real side effects except that during the trip i was absolutely not able to focus on anything for longer then a few second's. A few times in a discussion i just forgot what we where talking about because halfway i started staring at something, etc.
The other remarkable thing is that i was able to fall asleep at the end of the night, and many LSD users know that catching sleep, even in the afterglow of the trip, is often hard.

The myth that strychnine is sold as acid is probably BS, because strychnine in hallucinogenic amounts is on it's own probably not so nice, but as an additive it works out pretty well.

I think in combination with LSA, it will probably be less succesfull, because the psycho-activity/vasoconstriction ratio for LSA is less favourable.
 
SWIM has used strychnine in the past. The maximum dose he used was about 500 micrograms. It was extracted by a friend of his. On it's own it's actually a very nice stimulant. Much nicer than coffee. But of course it is very dangerous. You can easily overdose and die from it.

It was great in the morning as a coffee substitute. At one point SWIM was looking into extracting it himself because he loved the effects, but he decided against it. It's just too dangerous.

I highly advise not trying it. If you don't know exactly what you're doing, you could easily kill yourself.
 
Well, i used a standardized extract that was sold as an over-the-counter panacea. I don't know if that's legally available everywhere, but that way its pretty safe. You would need a hundred capsules of those to come in the dangerzone, needless to say, i wouldn't advice doing súch a thing either.
 
As far as I know it's not illegal.

I know in some countries it is still a very common OTC medication. Do you know of any current places that sell standardized extracts?
 
I don't know online vendors. But it can't be that hard to obtain it where you live.
I have the suspicion that it would go well with shrooms and peyote as well, but not with LSA and the other lysergics in seeds. It doesn't have the vasolidating effect of datura seeds.
 
once swim took some acid hit they where very bitter and gave swim a very bad muscle spams i think this could be strychnine and the next day it kind of give a hangover this is not a mormal thing when swims drops good acid
 
fractal rider said:
once swim took some acid hit they where very bitter and gave swim a very bad muscle spams i think this could be strychnine and the next day it kind of give a hangover this is not a mormal thing when swims drops good acid
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Or it was a RC. Where I'm from, unfortunately, these are more common than L.
 
SWIM and all of his friends spread around the world can no longer get real LSD. All of it these days is RCs passed off as LSD. You are VERY LUCKY if you can find real LSD in your area. There are several new RCs which are not illegal that commonly appear sold as LSD. The reason for this is that LSD is extremely illegal in most parts of the world. A dealer is taking a huge risk by selling real LSD. If they sell a legal RC, they avoid serious jail time if ever caught. This is a big incentive to sell RCs as LSD. There is a small demand for LSD, and if the buyers are willing to buy RCs thinking its LSD then the dealer is much better off legally if they are ever caught. However, LSD is cheaper, and more money can be made by selling it, BUT it’s not popular enough for the higher profit to be an incentive. You’re not going to get rich selling LSD or any RCs. If you get caught selling a legal RC, you might get a fine, but if you get caught selling LSD, you’ll likely to go to prison for many years. The risk is just not worth the extra profit. That’s why the RCs have taken over.
 
Exactly what research chemicals are you refering to, 69ron? I am able to get what I believe is authentic LSD, sold both on blotters and in liquid, but I am very interested in hearing more about what RC's you believe is being sold as LSD. I have taken blotters that supposedly was LSD, but was obviously not that, but there is still loving people with real morals and ethic out there...
 
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Exactly what research chemicals are you refering to, 69ron?
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There are literally dozens of them now. I've lost count. It used to be mostly DOM, DOI, etc., but now there's just too many of them.

If you can actually get real LSD, you're very lucky. Most people cannot. According to the DEA, “acid” containing real LSD is now very rare. LSD production has gone down dramatically since the year 2000. It’s now extremely rare and only produced by a few labs world wide. It’s disappearing. It’s being wiped out by the RCs.

Most people think they are getting the real deal because no one wants to think their dealer would lie to them, but the old timers like SWIM know the difference. Pass what you think is real LSD to someone who used to get the real stuff back in the 60's and early 70's and ask them what they think. Or have it professionally analyzed. I’m willing to bet it’s not real LSD. I think the chance of getting real authentic LSD these days in most parts of the world is about 1% or less. None of SWIM’s friends have been able to get real LSD for over 10 years. I’m talking about people who had real stuff back in the 60’s and early 70’s and who know the difference very well. A lot of the younger people have never had real LSD. It’s is virtually gone from the scene these days.
 
The real reason is not the law but the fact that the psychedelic amphetamines are easier and cheaper to synthesize than LSD and the fact that they can be placed on blotter paper (1-3 mg). Additionally the precursors are not as difficult to obtain, are not as watched, and are cheaper. DOI, DOB, and DOC are commonly found on blotter however there are reports of LSD on blotter still although it is becoming more and more uncommon. There are others such as the flies and others however these are very rare to find on blotter the DOX's are the most common by far. Also mixes of DOXs have been seen as well.

I would not say the chances are less than 1% prob between 25% to 50% though depending on who you know and your area, SWIM knows people who still get real acid occasionally and they know what they are talking about.

Also occasionally 5-MeO-AMT is seen on blotter. Basically anything that can fit on paper w/ hallucinogenic activity will be sold as LSD.
 
69ron, you are forgetting one important fact... The DEA's stats about LSD is mostly, if not all, taken from USA. I live in Europe, and "the real deal" I am able to get, is without any doubt the real deal.

Thank you for information about what RC's are appearing on blotters, both of you. :)
 
Yes, of course you are right. I am speaking primarily of the USA. LSD availability highly depends on where you live. In the USA its now extremely rare. In many states you can’t even get fake acid. In California, NY, Oregon, Washington, and in a few other states it can still be found if you live in the right place or have very good connections. I believe most of the real LSD in the US is still being made in San Francisco.
 
Hmm...look at this from another forum:

One thing picked up from my Chemistry degree that didn't get washed away by years of gleeful boozing is the following:

The synthesis of many drugs uses strychnine or brucine as resolving agents to split the products into their "left-handed" and "right-handed" forms. Having used them, it's not easy to completely eliminate traces of the resolving agent from the final batch - and as you can imagine, that job's usually not done with quite the same care and attention in an illegal drug lab as in a well-stocked pharmaceutical company. The end result is that there's often enough traces of strychnine or brucine in synthetic drugs like MDMA or LSD to cause cramping.

(The Organic Synthesis course used LSD and cocaine as its two main examples, on the grounds that students were more likely to pay attention to something that looked a bit naughty)
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Also look at this quote from Shulgin where some LSD was actually found to have strychnine in it:

The few times that I have indeed found it [strychnine] present, have been in legal exhibits where it usually occurred in admixture with brucine (also from the plant Strychnos nux-vomica) in criminal cases involving attempted or successful poisoning.
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This is all really interesting. Kinda frustrating, I'd like to know what substances I have been consuming, considering all the funky sensations.
 
there's a ton of real LSD in the US. However, the quality has definitely decreased in the past 10 years. Someone I know who used to take a lot in the late 90s estimates that current blotter which is legitimate LSD is on average probably half as potent as it was a decade ago.

Know your friends, know your sources, etc. The stuff is out there if you look around.
 
Apparently the famous hofman-blotter a.k.a anniversary-blotter was sayd to contain ETH-LAD.
Don't say that's no real LSD. Everything that says 'LAD' is a form of LSD. LSD is lysergic acid diethylamine, wich in german is: LysergSaure Diethylamin. The 'S' is from the german Saure, wich means acid. Lysergic Acid Diethylamine. is LAD aka LSD.
The hofmann blotters thus contained ETH-LSD.
ETH-LAD is sayd to be stronger then normal LSD.
I cant say that the hofmann blotters where significantly different then most of the other blotters i encountered. But each type of blotter is a bit different from the other. Maybe they where a bit less visual then some others.
 
uses strychnine or brucine as resolving agents to split the products into their "left-handed" and "right-handed" forms.
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i was told it makes LSD adhere to the blotter and once people became accustomed to it being a sideproduct of acid then it began to be deliberatly increased to make weak acid appear stronger.

also i was told Arsenic is in all seeds.

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