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[Phrostbyterpx]

PRE-CONDITIONS
(mind)Set:Calm, open
(physical condition) Set:Great
Setting (location):My bed
time of day: 24 hour - Daylight
recent drug use:LSD - few days ago
last meal: 3pm - pasta+veggies

PARTICIPANT
Gender: male
body weight: 150lbs 68.03kg
known sensitivities: none
history of use: Novice NM-DMT
BIOASSAY[/u]
Substance(s): )None
Dose(s): 60+mg
Method of administration: Vaporized


EFFECTS
Administration time: T=0:00 5:10pm Pacitic time
Duration: 2-4 minutes
First effects: 30 seconds
Peak: didn't peak
Come down:5 minutes
Baseline:

Intensity (overall): 0.5
Evaluation / notes:see report

OPTIONAL
Pleasantness: 1
Implesantness: 2
Visual Intensity: 2
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AFTER-EFFECTS
Hangover: 0
Afterglow: 1 - minimal


REPORT
My last breakthrough into hyperspace was one hell of a journey, it was only about a month ago, and it was something I will never forget. It was as if my entire being was sterilized. It appeared to me I was being taken through some kind of 'hyperspace hospital', accompanied by several entities my body was washed, my soul cleansed, the entire time this extreme intensity, and this incredible feeling of worth..
..Now I consider myself to be a good person, and I try to be the best human I can be..
In this trip it was as if my intentions were recognized and I was being rewarded with a fresh start from all that I had done wrong in the past. When I came down I had this unbelievable feeling of energy coursing through my veins. It was as if was alive for the first time. It was for sure my most meaningful breakthrough, and something that I will never forget.

Since then I have moved into one of the most amazing places I have ever been, Yosemite National Park, will be here until mid-Fall 2012. I came here in hope to find meaning in my life, to find my purpose here on Earth. Having a little trouble doing so I thought I would see what hyperspace has to offer, so about 10 days ago, midway through a breathtaking hike, I gave it a shot. Felt the onset coming on strong, so I laid back, closed my eyes and let the trip begin. The only thing is, I never broke through. It was as if I was at a bus stop, there were many entities around me, all of which were getting on the busses and traveling to what I presume was hyperspace. The only thing was I wasn't able to get on. And shortly after I came to without the full experience. I assumed it was because it was a little too windy or I had burnt and not vaporized the spice. Something of that sort. So I decided to take a break and get my daily routine down a little better since I was still adjusting to the new environment.

Then just earlier, around 5:10pm pacific time, I gave it another try. Made sure everything was perfect, correct dosage, correct vaporization and I made sure I was very comfortable (lying in my bed), even had my Bismuth in my pocket. Again felt the onset coming on strong, even stronger than before. I hit my pipe until it was too difficult and then laid back, closed my eyes, and let the trip begin. I was seeing way more than I had the last try. It was as if I was being screened by a couple of entities making sure everything was in check, I thought for sure I was on my was to hyperspace, when just then, it stopped intensifying, the feeling leveled out for a minute or so and the entities vanished. I was back in my bed, without the full experience yet again.

This time I know it wasn't my methods that were wrong, I had traveled to hyperspace this same way nearly a dozen times before. It was as if I was not allowed on the journey, and I cannot figure out why. I still have about 300mg left but I have no intention of making another attempt until I feel more confident I will 'be allowed' into hyperspace.

I was wondering if anyone has had a similar experience, where they felt they were denied access to hyperspace? And if so what have you done about it?

Would really appreciate any thoughts or suggestions, kinda bummed about the whole situation.

 

[anrchy]

I'm finding it a common thing lately that people are taking 60mg. You weigh 150lbs and it takes you 60mg to break through? You rated the intensity a 0.5? As in 1 being low intensity and 4 being way high?

If those are all true then you are for sure burning it or something. I have yet to dose a 60 and yet to have a breakthrough due to internal emotional issues. But I guarantee if I took 60 it would be a forces breakthrough.

What device are you using? Lighter or torch? Slow or fast metabolism?

Don't be bummed buddy. You have to take what you get and hope but don't expect DMT to give you the experience you need.

 

[Global]

I'm finding it a common thing lately that people are taking 60mg. You weigh 150lbs and it takes you 60mg to break through? You rated the intensity a 0.5? As in 1 being low intensity and 4 being way high?

Although he listed that the 60mg was vaporized, he doesn't include what he vaporized it out of. While 60mg is about doubly too high for the GVG, it can be rather appropriate with less efficient devices. Also from what I can tell, weight and sensitivity to DMT don't necessarily match up so nicely as with alcohol for example. Even with oral DMT, weight doesn't seem to be so significant a factor.

 

[anrchy]

I'm finding it a common thing lately that people are taking 60mg. You weigh 150lbs and it takes you 60mg to break through? You rated the intensity a 0.5? As in 1 being low intensity and 4 being way high?

Although he listed that the 60mg was vaporized, he doesn't include what he vaporized it out of. While 60mg is about doubly too high for the GVG, it can be rather appropriate with less efficient devices. Also from what I can tell, weight and sensitivity to DMT don't necessarily match up so nicely as with alcohol for example. Even with oral DMT, weight doesn't seem to be so significant a factor.

Not always but I have a friend with a larger body size and he requires about 15-20 mg more than me. I may be falsely attributing the reason but I only asked as a possibility.

IME 60mg is too much for any device if used correctly

 

[Phrostbyterpx]

I had used a regular glass pipe, stuffed some steel mesh in the bowl and loaded the spice on it; 60mg was an approximate as I do not have my scale at my new residence. I usually pack it between some buds, but in my new location I haven’t made an effort to find any. Not sure if I had vaporized all that I had loaded. The first 2 hits were very weak and barely tasted any of the vapor, but the 3rd and 4th were substantial. I was not able to take another. Looking back it was more than likely an error of administration. I will be sure to make an actual pipe the next attempt, as in something that has worked for me before. But I still plan on taking a break before another attempt, there is no need/reason to rush these experiences.

 

[Phrostbyterpx]

and archy, i used a lighter and was sure not too have the flame touch the spice. I also have an extremely fast metabolism. everyone..thanks for the input, be well.

 

[Electric Kool-Aid]

If you can, get a gvg if you want breakthroughs a lot!
Can't go wrong with investing in one of those nifty hyper travel devices!

Hope you get right sometime! On more like 25mg. Cheaper in the long run.

 

[Global]

IME 60mg is too much for any device if used correctly

Yes, but many such devices are notoriously difficult to smoke DMT with, so realistically it makes sense for some people to load up 60mg to get to the same place you do in 30mg. Granted it's a waste of DMT.

 

[Donline]

Everything you said sounded like a breakthrough to me. I'm still new to this but..

1: you were in an unknown location
2: there were entities
3: had no control
4: witnessed an event

Seems like whatever your smoking has less or is skipping the pre open-eyed visuals...
Or 60mg in 3tokes is tooo muuchh tooo fast.. Try spreading it out..

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Get the answers, then find your own :thumb_up:

 

[anrchy]

IME 60mg is too much for any device if used correctly

Yes, but many such devices are notoriously difficult to smoke DMT with, so realistically it makes sense for some people to load up 60mg to get to the same place you do in 30mg. Granted it's a waste of DMT.

I understand exactly what your saying, but I disagree in a way. Any device takes time to learn smoking DMT. My comment was based in the fact that if someone is loading 60mg and not having their mind completely BLoWN my first thought isn't are you using a gvg, it's what are you loading 60mg for? The Main reason I don't jump to expressing that someone should get a gvg is that if they don't already have it then I would like to try and help them with what they do have right now. Later if they want to upgrade then a gvg or vapobong is the way to go. If I simply told them how to properly smoke and not tell them to lower the dose significantly then I would feel bad after they post in the First steps in hyperspace "demons ate my body"

GVG's are just as notorious for failure to newbs as any device IME on this site.

 

[Global]

IME 60mg is too much for any device if used correctly

Yes, but many such devices are notoriously difficult to smoke DMT with, so realistically it makes sense for some people to load up 60mg to get to the same place you do in 30mg. Granted it's a waste of DMT.

I understand exactly what your saying, but I disagree in a way. Any device takes time to learn smoking DMT. My comment was based in the fact that if someone is loading 60mg and not having their mind completely BLoWN my first thought isn't are you using a gvg, it's what are you loading 60mg for? The Main reason I don't jump to expressing that someone should get a gvg is that if they don't already have it then I would like to try and help them with what they do have right now. Later if they want to upgrade then a gvg or vapobong is the way to go. If I simply told them how to properly smoke and not tell them to lower the dose significantly then I would feel bad after they post in the First steps in hyperspace "demons ate my body"

GVG's are just as notorious for failure to newbs as any device IME on this site.

Yes, the GVG can be annoying at first. I had quite the gradual learning curve with it till I could make it do what I wanted. However, I feel that even with perfect technique with some of these more inefficient devices, it's still gonna be less efficient than the GVG and require a larger dosage to get to the same place. Maybe not double, but still.

 

[anrchy]

I don't understand how you think my way is more inefficient than a gvg. I use a vapobong. A glass tube blown out to a bulb. Heat the bottom of the bulb. Even though they both use a different style of heating DMT they both require the user to regulate that heat. And the idea is exactly the same between the two. Too much heat is bad and not enough is bad. What is the real difference and where is the information to back it up? The advantage to my way IME is I can perfectly see what is going on with the puddle AS its happening. You can see the changes and the amount of vapor before and during inhalation. I'm not saying the gvg is not a good way. I really like it. But to say its the most efficient I think is thrown around this forum way too much.

 

[SnozzleBerry]

I don't understand how you think my way is more inefficient than a gvg. I use a vapobong. A glass tube blown out to a bulb. Heat the bottom of the bulb. Even though they both use a different style of heating DMT they both require the user to regulate that heat.

Gibran has a couple of awesome posts around that illustrate the difference between convection and conduction (you're heating by conduction, if I'm not mistaken). Here's one in this thread:

The “crack” method heats the product by convection – a stream of hot air passes through and around the product. Convection methods include the “machine”, the GVG, and bongs.

The “meth” method heats the product by conduction – a hot surface conducts heat directly to the product. Conduction methods include light bulbs, test tubes, aluminum foil.

Any method that heats by conduction is likely to burn/carmelize/pyrolize the DMT before appreciable amounts of vapor are formed. The resultant vapor will be less potent and very harsh.

DMT is best heated by convection. When DMT is heated by convection it vaporizes very quickly –before it has a chance to burn.

Fwiw, I've got a GVG and used a small bulb for many of my journeys...you can have great technique and results with a bulb, but once you have perfected your method on a bulb and a GVG, the GVG is more efficient.

 

[Phrostbyterpx]

Archy...Yesterday I looked closely at the device I had used, and sure enough I found a whole bunch of crusted spice that had liquefied on the side of the glass, I’m assuming I had not even vaporized half of what I loaded, luckily I was able to salvage most of what I had thought I had lost.

Electric cool-aid...after reading up on the GVG. I can’t believe I was trying something so primitive, being cheap is no way to go about vaporizing DMT. I will have you know that I look forward to ordering a GVG and a reliable torch lighter. With all the experiences I have read from using them I’m sure I will fall in love instantly.

Donline...I have had several breakthrough's before these last two attempts and let me tell you, although I had seen the sacred geometry and much more. What I experienced was only a taste of what these past experiences had been. It was definitely a wakeup call..if I’m going to experiment with these experiences...I must do it right, or not at all. I also prefer to close my eyes as soon as I feel anything coming on, but again, it definitely was much less intense than it had been in past breakthroughs.

SnozzleBerry...thanks for the tread link, good to know for sure. Im done experimenting with condunction methods(seems to easy for somthing to go wrong).:thumb_up:

Global...I will be waiting for my very own GVG before I attempt again. Im pretty familiar with varorizing hash oils and other marijuana products using a variety of peices. I feel like i will get the hang of the GVG fairly quickly. Used correctly it appears fool-proof. Seems to me it is the most efficient way of vaporization. Can't believe I hadn't researched this earlier.

Again, Thanks! to all who have voiced their suggestions. You have been extremly helpful. It is an honor and a privilege to be part of this community. I look forward to learning and giving back, now, and in the many years to come!:d

Happy Journeys

 

[anrchy]

The resultant vapor will be less potent and very harsh

This is why I am saying your information is incorrect. My vapor is very strong and is so not harsh I can't even feel it going in and it has NO taste whatsoever. I also end up with nothing left in the bulb except for the normal condensation that ends up recrystalizing. I have experimented with this technique enough to tell you that all the claims of the spice being burnt are incorrect. Yes if you apply too much heat but that applies to all methods. I have witnessed what happens if you apply too much heat.

A. You end up with brown goo that won't vaporize unless you pull out the big propane torch.
B. you end up with no residue except for a burnt mark.

But I have found the sweet spot and I end up with nothing left and a clean bulb. I dosed 25mg right after my gf and it was a very strong experience. Extremely crystal clear and full of color. I'm not saying its better than the gvg. But I really think you guys are being quite biased. I feel that I am getting results exactly as quality with no waste as you guys with the gvg. And i keep getting told that it's inferior.

 

[SnozzleBerry]

Compared to the GVG, conduction is less efficient. I agree that it will not always be "very harsh". In fact, with the technique I've outlined in many threads, conduction can produce very pleasant and gentle vapors. I stand by my words when I say that the GVG is more efficient than any conduction vaporizer. Relatively, with refined technique on both ROAs, the GVG is more efficient as a result of the physics of convection vs. conduction. If you don't believe me, just google "convection vs conduction vaporizer efficiency" or something to that effect.

 

[anrchy]

Ok well let's say that conduction is less efficient. How many hits do you normally take on a 20-25mg dose? 2 or 3? Holding in the last one? That seems equally as inefficient if not more. Now I'm referring specifically to the fact I use a bong. I get mine in one hit, I'm not hallucinating to the point that I can't perform setting the bong down safely, and nothing comes out upon exhale.

I am going to be purchasing a vg to fit to my bong and eventually going to build a glass bong gvg. I just haven't gotten around to it. And if that works better than the conduction method I will post it. Hopefully I will be trying this weekend.

 

[SnozzleBerry]

Ok well let's say that conduction is less efficient. How many hits do you normally take on a 20-25mg dose? 2 or 3? Holding in the last one?

1 hit, size of the dose doesn't factor in with the GVG, ime. I'm also not the only one, read through the GVG threads. With proper technique and the GVG, more than one hit shouldn't be necessary (or even possible depending on dose).

 

[anrchy]

Ok well let's say that conduction is less efficient. How many hits do you normally take on a 20-25mg dose? 2 or 3? Holding in the last one?

1 hit, size of the dose doesn't factor in with the GVG, ime. I'm also not the only one, read through the GVG threads. With proper technique and the GVG, more than one hit shouldn't be necessary (or even possible depending on dose).

So you can take a 50mg dose in one hit with a gvg?

 

[SnozzleBerry]

Yes.

Blackout.

If you haven't tried the GVG, I don't see how you can say any method is on par with (or superior/inferior to) it.