Substance Substitution Substances

[StoneyBroski]

I've been working on some recipies recently and would like to share.
I enjoy many substances, I wouldn't say I'm an addict to anything (other than nicotine) just more of one who enjoys.

With that said, I've recently finished a recipe for a completely legal cocaine substitute. It works perfectly. Its a euphoric stimulant powder. How much closer can you get..

Anyways, recipe goes as follows.

Caffeine
5-htp
Lidocaine
(FAAH inhibitor)

With this recipe you must measure doses and start small. The base is mostly caffeine, add 5-htp and lidocaine, kinda like salt add as personal preference (it numbs the nose, mouth, throat, more/less according to amount added. I use 10% of the total)

Please, questions? And if you have something to critique or judge, please provide a valuable substitute/information regarding.

 

[StoneyBroski]

Also I've created a recipe for something I like to call HB-Juggernauts, or for short "Jug"
It's my personal take on a better version of LSA.
Recipe:

20 HBWR seeds (naphtha defat)/OR lsa powder ext. Iso evap.
200mg 5-htp
2g Maca ext.

I usually dose this using 00 capsules *5
It's a more euphoric hbwr.

Safety... if there are any safety concerns please point them out. I've taken these allot recently coming onto better suppliers and i prefer it to normal hbwr.

 

[The Sofa Traveler]

Safety... if there are any safety concerns please point them out

Hello ! As you already mentionned, harmalas+5-htp = serotonin syndrom risk increase ; DXM+5-htp = serotonin syndrom risk increase ; harmalas+caffeine must be handled with care, in excess could lead to hypertensive crisis and/or headache as harmalas are potentiating caffeine.
IMO, these mixtures you shared are not safe. Cheerz and welcome

 

[dreamer042]

Also 5-htp + DXM is an absolute no go and DXM + Harmalas is incredibly risky.


Be very mindful of avoiding anything that increases serotonin density in the synapse in combination with DXM. This is a sure fire recipe for serotonin syndrome.

 

[The Sofa Traveler]

Another thing worth to mention, not about safety but about efficiency : 5-htp could decrease serotonin psychedelics effects if taken simultaneously. As 5-htp is potentially increasing availability of 5-ht in brain, this additional 5-ht could be in competition with LSA (or other serotonin psychedelics) to bind 5-ht receptors. Not sure if it makes sense to combine the 2. Maybe more expert people will be able to confirm, refute or complete what I say here.

 

[StoneyBroski]

Safety... if there are any safety concerns please point them out

Hello ! As you already mentionned, harmalas+5-htp = serotonin syndrom risk increase ; DXM+5-htp = serotonin syndrom risk increase ; harmalas+caffeine must be handled with care, in excess could lead to hypertensive crisis and/or headache as harmalas are potentiating caffeine.
IMO, these mixtures you shared are not safe. Cheerz and welcome

At the right dose they are, i haven't died yet.

 

[StoneyBroski]

Also 5-htp + DXM is an absolute no go and DXM + Harmalas is incredibly risky.


Be very mindful of avoiding anything that increases serotonin density in the synapse in combination with DXM. This is a sure fire recipe for serotonin syndrome.

Yes, i did point that out.

 

[StoneyBroski]

Another thing worth to mention, not about safety but about efficiency : 5-htp could decrease serotonin psychedelics effects if taken simultaneously. As 5-htp is potentially increasing availability of 5-ht in brain, this additional 5-ht could be in competition with LSA (or other serotonin psychedelics) to bind 5-ht receptors. Not sure if it makes sense to combine the 2. Maybe more expert people will be able to confirm, refute or complete what I say here.

I hate to say youre right on the lsa... any subs for it?

 

[StoneyBroski]

Also 5-htp + DXM is an absolute no go and DXM + Harmalas is incredibly risky.


Be very mindful of avoiding anything that increases serotonin density in the synapse in combination with DXM. This is a sure fire recipe for serotonin syndrome.

I don't hear any suggestions for substitutions.

 

[The Sofa Traveler]

Safety... if there are any safety concerns please point them out

Hello ! As you already mentionned, harmalas+5-htp = serotonin syndrom risk increase ; DXM+5-htp = serotonin syndrom risk increase ; harmalas+caffeine must be handled with care, in excess could lead to hypertensive crisis and/or headache as harmalas are potentiating caffeine.
IMO, these mixtures you shared are not safe. Cheerz and welcome

At the right dose they are, i haven't died yet.

What is the "right dose" ? This may vary a lot from person to person, according to body weight and several other individual parameters. Some combinations in your mixtures are known being risky, so they can't be said safe. Safe = no risk at all. The fact you haven't died yet doesn't mean that it's safe and that there couldn't be any risk for other people.

 

[The Sofa Traveler]

Another thing worth to mention, not about safety but about efficiency : 5-htp could decrease serotonin psychedelics effects if taken simultaneously. As 5-htp is potentially increasing availability of 5-ht in brain, this additional 5-ht could be in competition with LSA (or other serotonin psychedelics) to bind 5-ht receptors. Not sure if it makes sense to combine the 2. Maybe more expert people will be able to confirm, refute or complete what I say here.

I hate to say youre right on the lsa... any subs for it?

No idea... maybe be substituting 5-htp by nothing ?

 

[StoneyBroski]

Safety... if there are any safety concerns please point them out

Hello ! As you already mentionned, harmalas+5-htp = serotonin syndrom risk increase ; DXM+5-htp = serotonin syndrom risk increase ; harmalas+caffeine must be handled with care, in excess could lead to hypertensive crisis and/or headache as harmalas are potentiating caffeine.
IMO, these mixtures you shared are not safe. Cheerz and welcome

At the right dose they are, i haven't died yet.

What is the "right dose" ? This may vary a lot from person to person, according to body weight and several other individual parameters. Some combinations in your mixtures are known being risky, so they can't be said safe. Safe = no risk at all. The fact you haven't died yet doesn't mean that it's safe and that there couldn't be any risk for other people.

I said base caffeine, so mostly caffeine. Small amounts (1 dose/5g caffeine) of harmalas and 5-htp, and lidocaine till you're satisfied with the nostalgic numbing feeling.

Also, still don't hear any replacement suggestions. Are you going to talk about how wrong it is or suggest fixes?

 

[StoneyBroski]

Another thing worth to mention, not about safety but about efficiency : 5-htp could decrease serotonin psychedelics effects if taken simultaneously. As 5-htp is potentially increasing availability of 5-ht in brain, this additional 5-ht could be in competition with LSA (or other serotonin psychedelics) to bind 5-ht receptors. Not sure if it makes sense to combine the 2. Maybe more expert people will be able to confirm, refute or complete what I say here.

I hate to say youre right on the lsa... any subs for it?

No idea... maybe be substituting 5-htp by nothing ?

I need a euphoric in it. How about no harmalas, everything else?

 

[The Sofa Traveler]

Safety... if there are any safety concerns please point them out

Hello ! As you already mentionned, harmalas+5-htp = serotonin syndrom risk increase ; DXM+5-htp = serotonin syndrom risk increase ; harmalas+caffeine must be handled with care, in excess could lead to hypertensive crisis and/or headache as harmalas are potentiating caffeine.
IMO, these mixtures you shared are not safe. Cheerz and welcome

At the right dose they are, i haven't died yet.

What is the "right dose" ? This may vary a lot from person to person, according to body weight and several other individual parameters. Some combinations in your mixtures are known being risky, so they can't be said safe. Safe = no risk at all. The fact you haven't died yet doesn't mean that it's safe and that there couldn't be any risk for other people.

I said base caffeine, so mostly caffeine. Small amounts (1 dose/5g caffeine) of harmalas and 5-htp, and lidocaine till you're satisfied with the nostalgic numbing feeling.

Also, still don't hear any replacement suggestions. Are you going to talk about how wrong it is or suggest fixes?

I was mostly talking about 5-htp+harmalas and 5-htp+DXM combos, not the caffeine. You asked about safety, I answered. Safety must be able to be approached even without having to provide you a substitution solution. I do not criticize nor judge what you do, I just point out for other possible users the risks induced by some of the combinations you suggest which are anything but safe. Just consider my posts as risks reduction and information, nothing else. Certainly not a personal attack - I bring this precision because I feel you a little touchy.

 

[StoneyBroski]

Safety... if there are any safety concerns please point them out

Hello ! As you already mentionned, harmalas+5-htp = serotonin syndrom risk increase ; DXM+5-htp = serotonin syndrom risk increase ; harmalas+caffeine must be handled with care, in excess could lead to hypertensive crisis and/or headache as harmalas are potentiating caffeine.
IMO, these mixtures you shared are not safe. Cheerz and welcome

At the right dose they are, i haven't died yet.

What is the "right dose" ? This may vary a lot from person to person, according to body weight and several other individual parameters. Some combinations in your mixtures are known being risky, so they can't be said safe. Safe = no risk at all. The fact you haven't died yet doesn't mean that it's safe and that there couldn't be any risk for other people.

I said base caffeine, so mostly caffeine. Small amounts (1 dose/5g caffeine) of harmalas and 5-htp, and lidocaine till you're satisfied with the nostalgic numbing feeling.

Also, still don't hear any replacement suggestions. Are you going to talk about how wrong it is or suggest fixes?

I was mostly talking about 5-htp+harmalas and 5-htp+DXM combos, not the caffeine. You asked about safety, I answered. Safety must be able to be approached even without having to provide you a substitution solution. I do not criticize nor judge what you do, I just point out for other possible users the risks induced by some of the combinations you suggest which are anything but safe. Just consider my posts as risks reduction and information, nothing else. Certainly not a personal attack - I bring this precision because I feel you a little touchy.

I mentioned the caffeine to explain, most of it is mostly safe with small... nvm, it doesn't matter, I'm looking for nasally active faah inhibitors rn, forget all harmalas, they dont exist now, moving on, know any faah inhibitors naslly active?

 

[StoneyBroski]

I've done it. Ive fixed the HBWR recipe to be "safer"




Salvinorin A
HBWR
Maca ext
L-Dopa

Doses would be a capsule of maca, one with half/half salvinorin a/l-dopa (im not saying dont measure doses, if you feel the need to, feel free to do so.) & 25 hbwr (from experience, thats two capsules. )

ANY OBJECTIONS/CONCERNS/ADVICE FEEL FREE TO EXPRESS.
And if you have anything positive to say, I would appreciate that as well.

 

[downwardsfromzero]

Why would you be taking salvinorin A orally in a capsule?

You're sounding a bit desperate tbh. If it's your own personal kykeon you're seeking you might be better off starting with something like Ras al hanout.

Have you ever considered growing cacti?

 

[StoneyBroski]

I do grow cacti, 5-meo succulens, cannabis, acacia, brugmansia, hbwr, and kratom.
Isn't Salvinorin sometimes chewed? Is it only via mucosa or does it work in the stomach?