Synthetic Marijuana, Demons, Pre-DMT

[Flow Motive]

I want to describe an experience and my thoughts on it and hopefully some experienced psychonauts will have some insight.

I have not yet experienced DMT but have been very interested in the subject for the last several months. I am of course waiting until I know I'm ready, or when the DMT knows I'm ready! However, the very event that led me into my DMT research, involved a profound a frightening experience with a synthetic marijuana that was called "Demon" (quite literally describes my experience), which has given me particular reservations about how my DMT experiences may unfold. I know that there is no direct correlation between the two drugs, but I fear that my experience showed me a window into a broader metaphysical reality that may become apparent in any elevated consciousness experience.

So, here's is the experience with synthetic marijuana, which BTW, changed my belief system quite dramatically. I am now officially a FORMER atheist. Anyway, here it is:

I had been smoking different types of synthetic marijuana a couple times a week, and never having any dramatic effects, just feeling stoned. Then, one day I purchased a small plastic container of what was called "Demon" spice. I didn't expect for that brand name to be as literal as it turned out!

just a couple minutes after taking a second hit, a negative and ominous energy began to surround me. Suddenly I felt surrounded by what I interpreted as several entities, although I'm unable to explain what they may have looked like, but their presence was unmistakable. It's difficult for me to describe what they were doing to me, or what they were saying, but as I recall it, they were "toying" with me. They were shutting me down at every turn, persecuting, tormenting, condescending, making me feel profound guilt and sadness. Making me feel, small, insignificant, worthless. The hate and coldness of these beings was beyond what can be experienced in this physical reality. They made it clear that they didn't like me, at all. This went on for what seemed like an eternity.

What was most unsettling about it was the feeling of familiarity that "place" and those "entities" had, as if it were a Hell where my soul is doomed to reside.

Anyway, my fear is that the experience could be an indication of the type of entities I might face during a DMT journey. It seems reasonable to think that this experience will be had again, only far more intense and powerful on DMT.

I'm curious if anyone can relate to this experience and if it is possible for a similar experience to surface on DMT. I hope that I'm not implicitly doomed to have a "Hell" experience rather than a "heaven" experience. I hope that I'm not just over-thinking the whole thing. I know the fear I have is counterproductive as well, but the feelings surrounding it seem to run very deep.

One final note, I remember in the last moments of the "demonic" experience, as the environment dissolved into the physical reality, that I asked an important question. I can't remember what it was, but I remember that the response I received made me feel deep dread and despair. I feel like the question was something like "Is this where my soul will spend eternity?" and the response something like "YES".

Sorry for the long-winded post, I just wanted to provide the clearest understanding possible. Thanks in advance to anyone with any insight on this.

 

[LRx]

I'm no expert, but synthetic marijuana is generally bad news (from what I have heard)
It is made from RC's (research chemicals) and most of those cause unknown effects, only some are actually researched and that is mostly the 2C analogs. (some RCs are quite interesting, but DO your research. I mean it!)

I would recommend to stay away from synthetic marijuana, or even RC's in general! but that's only my opinion.

DMT is unlike anything else. If you believe you are ready to try it, and this involves total mental clarity and the proper set and setting, then I would advise to try it! Don't go into it expecting anything, and prepare to be astonished. Remain calm! Everything will be okay. There is the chance you will see entities, (in most cases, fascinating) however, the synthetic marijuana experience should not be something to judge by.

Only you know when you are ready for DMT. Unfortunately, I have no experiences that can relate, other than the entities I have seen on DMT, which were in fact presenting something to me, and seemed feminine, loving, and welcoming. I wish you luck in your endeavors, and feel free to chat anytime!

Cheers!

 

[Flow Motive]

Thanks for the response LRx!

Yes I agree about the dangers of synthetic marijuana. Trust me, I have learned my lesson and haven't touched the stuff since that experience.

One big detail I forgot to mention which is interesting; a couple hours after I came down from the terrifying trip,(This might be hard to believe but IT DID HAPPEN) I was just sitting on my couch and I began feeling a spot of heat right in the center of my chest. The radius of the heat expanded across my chest, then suddenly I was pulled off of my bed and dragged into my living room by an unseen force! I was not still feeling the effects of the drug when it happened, so it was very disturbing.

I'm convinced that the heat on my chest was a demonic entity exiting or entering my body.

Has anyone ever heard or experienced anything similar? Is the heat on my chest an indication of a demonic posession? I had no long-term psychotic effects, thank god, but for all I know this entity is indeed now attached to me.

I should probably start a new thread about that particular detail.

 

[AstraLex]

Hey Flow Motive,

I have no experience with synthetic marijuana, but I do have experience with DMT, normal marijuana and a combination of both.

As far as I have figured it out, the evil entities are all ‘around’ (for the lack of a better term) us all the time, infusing us with improper/evil/unethical thoughts and desires when they get a chance, when they smell our weakness. Just how many of us can walk by a beautiful girl, dressed in her summer clothes, without gazing, desirably, at her ass and boobs? Even if you can, it still requires some mental effort to shake off the sexual thoughts. Just to give you a fairly innocent and mundane example.

From my experience, when using any psychedelics, we travel or, better said, become more aware of the other dimensions/the spirit world/astral plane. The light psychedelics, like marijuana, can make you feel the inhabitants of the spirit world, but you remain grounded in the physical existence. The heavier psychedelics, like (breakthrough doses of) DMT, remove you from our physical plane completely and you get dissolved in the astral plane.

Here comes the catch: using psychedelics doesn’t make one enlightened, holy and free from weaknesses. No, we are still the weak and sinful human beings, attached to all kinds of material and emotional things: we want knowledge, power(s), respect, money, to feel good (without being good), to have no worries (without solving the problems). And above all: we don’t trust God that we will get all of those things as soon as we are ready and worthy of them. No, we find ourselves to be nearly perfect, get impatient and demand it all at once, right here and now!

Demons love this kind of attitude and are more than happy to provide us with the things we want, or better said, with the substitutes of the things we want. You want a girlfriend, an everlasting love – how about downloading porno and masturbating on it, they say? It’s not exactly the same thing, but you get your desires satisfied. Or when somebody is critiquing you? Instead of accepting the critique (which we, weak as we are, always find to be somewhat unjustified and undeserved) and start working on ourselves, we go all defensive and blame others for our faults. Just how many times did you come back from work or school, where you got negative feedback from your peers and found your head to be full of negative feelings and thoughts, wanting to take revenge for example?

To summarize my point of view: all negative thoughts and emotions come from the devil and his angels: the demons. They are the true source of all negativity and we are inviting them ourselves by being weak and ignorant. Psychedelics have the potency to propel us straight into the demonic realm, which forms a part of the bigger astral plane. You think being sad, worrisome, angry, desperate and such are bad emotions to experience? Than seeing the ugly faces of the entities that infuse us with those thoughts must be even more disturbing.

Why does the demonic realm feel so familiar, way too familiar for something you have never seen before? I think it’s because we are very used to the inhabitants of that place and to the energy they radiate. It’s just you have never met face to face, so you don’t recognize them at sight, but the feeling of familiarity is unmistakable. Can this realm be the place where we go after death? It can very well be so, which only adds to my motivation to become free of weaknesses, live a truly good life and pray to God for His mercy.

As for the demonic possession you mentioned, I wouldn’t worry too much about it - everybody is possessed, in a sense, by a myriad of demons anyway. Most people do not realize it though, they truly believe it’s their own nature: to become angry, when somebody annoys you; to become sad, when sad things happen; to feel sexually aroused when beautiful girls/women (or boys/men) walk by and so on. The more direct possessions, as when you start talking tongues and trash around like a wildman, are rare from my perspective. It can still happen though, so be aware.

Having said all of this and given that my hypotheses are true, it comes as no surprise why some trips go bad and people end up in the claws of the demons: we are tuned so much to them in our daily life, inviting them time and again to join us in our life’s adventures, that we remain, in a way, bound to them after leaving the physical world.

As to your last question, whether you will meet the demons while traveling on DMT – it can happen, especially because you have made a more or less direct contact with them already. I, for instance, had to travel on DMT a lot of times, before I got the ability to see and talk to the entities (including demons) on marijuana. And after some time, I developed the skills to see (with my mental eye) and talk to those beings while completely sober as well. So be prepared.

Maybe it is even wiser for you not to use DMT at all. And if you choose to do so, start with very low doses to see if the demons will show up.

Good luck!