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T. K. Mckenna

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It would be nice to discover on exactly what things people disagree with McKenna. I personally haven´t found nothing.
 
Master of plants said:
It would be nice to discover on exactly what things people disagree with McKenna. I personally haven´t found nothing.
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OK, back on topic (although no doubt TMK also pondered about blue whale's tongue size).

There is one big issue I have with his Timewave Zero theories: his interpretation of the Novelty curve. The way he links historical events to peaks in the curve is just too random. That big peak 2000 years ago is supposed to be Christ? Yeah, or maybe something else we don't even know about... 2012 is supposed to be the huge peak at the end? Yeah sure... but I don't think TMK took it too seriously himself.

But the idea of a Novelty curve is still very interesting, especially if you combine it with Sheldrake's morphogenetic fields. Novelty and Habit dancing (or battling) together, shaping the universe... There's no arguing that mankind has given novelty a huge boost, and it's still accelerating..
 
Everybody´s pondering about the blue whale´s tongue size. And it´s sexual connotations, haha.

Think about the TWZ about model of the human breakthrough in to the dmt hyperspace, and that´s important. At least, it´s the realm of freedom. Everything else sux.
 
McKenna is great fun to listen to. Less fun to read. A lot of what he says is really loony, like the 'mushrooms are transdimensional aliens' bit or all the 2012 nonsense, but some of what he says is really interesting and some of it is downright inspiring. I like the way he would learn all about some new science and then trip as deeply as he could and reflect on what he learned.

The whole 'novelty' idea was a psychadelic glimpse of the modern concepts of self-organization and emergence. There is a terrific NOVA about these ideas that you can access for more info. They don't ever mention McKenna but I would bet that some sizable few of the mathematicians and physicists that are working on modeling these phenomena read McKenna as impressionable grad students :)

McKenna was almost certainly influenced by Edward O. Wilson and his description of self organizing principles in ants in the 1970s. McKenna had a vast vision though and saw that the same principles could explain and potentially predict everything in the universe. Maybe his explanations and predictions missed the mark but the basic premise is very intriguing to me.

My own work has been profoundly influenced by McKenna. I build maps of self-organizing genetic networks in developing embryos. It turns out that each and every developing embryo is forged by self organizing principles. Consciousness itself is made this way as neurons grow and proliferate and send out their axons towards other neurons. This is cool and learning the rules governing these self organized networks will help sick people.

Some beautiful and true ideas came to me originally through McKenna. But you gotta be careful with any ideas. There is a lot of wisdom in the Torah too but you can't just believe all of it without being critical. If your going to go around the world with an open mind you have to have an operational BS'o'meter to defend yourself against infection by false memes.
 
970Codfert said:
We need a thread called funky animal facts or something.
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2nd that!!

The octopus is the most incredibly alien animal on this planet!!

They can use their 8 arms, as 8 completely separate nervous systems (in contrast, the human body is 1 nervous system) while they skin across the bottom of the seafloor searching for food!! Then, when they find something, they instantly re-connect their arms/body into one big nervous system, and use them like a big hand to capture & eat their prey!!

Also, an octopus's eye stalk is the only thing on/in their body that they can't move around or change the shape of!!
So if the octopus's eye-stalk can fit through a small opening, they can change the shape & displace their organs, to fit through the opening!!

So Cool!!


WS
 
I never heard of McKenna until i listened to shpongle. I don't know how serious he is about all the alien stuff.
I know psychedelic experience (as in the use of substances) can be powerfull, but i don't grand it that much status as McKenna does. There are plenty of people who probably never taken psychedelic substances like isaac newton, nelson mandela, albert einstein, leonardo da vinci, mahatma gandhi, or spinoza,etc, who all appear to be pretty insightfull dudes.
 
McKenna would be the first to say that he did not believe everything he said. He supported science while he did say many interesting bizarre things he has said himself that, he would just say things that came to his mind. He was always open to science and discovering truth. He just had a vivid imagination and people liked hearing about it. One has to listen to his talks very closely in between some bizarre fascinating linguistic rants there is some truly ingenious thought and profound statements. He was way a head of his time, his entire outlook on the world was so unique. Just the way he saw things we so non-conventional. Not to mention his poetic use of language. If one looks up his last interview before his death, it is on youtube, the true terrence comes out.

People do not really realize or often forget that Terrence and Dennis made home cultivation of psilocybin mushrooms what it is today. It is likely that this would not be possible if it was not for their work and subsequent book. That alone is an incredible accomplishment that has world wide influences.
 
warrensaged said:
970Codfert said:
We need a thread called funky animal facts or something.
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2nd that!!

The octopus is the most incredibly alien animal on this planet!!

They can use their 8 arms, as 8 completely separate nervous systems (in contrast, the human body is 1 nervous system) while they skin across the bottom of the seafloor searching for food!! Then, when they find something, they instantly re-connect their arms/body into one big nervous system, and use them like a big hand to capture & eat their prey!!

Also, an octopus's eye stalk is the only thing on/in their body that they can't move around or change the shape of!!
So if the octopus's eye-stalk can fit through a small opening, they can change the shape & displace their organs, to fit through the opening!!

So Cool!!


WS
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This reminds me TKM´s notice that we have to become octopuses.
 
deedle-doo said:
McKenna is great fun to listen to. Less fun to read. A lot of what he says is really loony, like the 'mushrooms are transdimensional aliens' bit or all the 2012 nonsense, but some of what he says is really interesting and some of it is downright inspiring. I like the way he would learn all about some new science and then trip as deeply as he could and reflect on what he learned.

The whole 'novelty' idea was a psychadelic glimpse of the modern concepts of self-organization and emergence. There is a terrific NOVA about these ideas that you can access for more info. They don't ever mention McKenna but I would bet that some sizable few of the mathematicians and physicists that are working on modeling these phenomena read McKenna as impressionable grad students :)

McKenna was almost certainly influenced by Edward O. Wilson and his description of self organizing principles in ants in the 1970s. McKenna had a vast vision though and saw that the same principles could explain and potentially predict everything in the universe. Maybe his explanations and predictions missed the mark but the basic premise is very intriguing to me.

My own work has been profoundly influenced by McKenna. I build maps of self-organizing genetic networks in developing embryos. It turns out that each and every developing embryo is forged by self organizing principles. Consciousness itself is made this way as neurons grow and proliferate and send out their axons towards other neurons. This is cool and learning the rules governing these self organized networks will help sick people.

Some beautiful and true ideas came to me originally through McKenna. But you gotta be careful with any ideas. There is a lot of wisdom in the Torah too but you can't just believe all of it without being critical. If your going to go around the world with an open mind you have to have an operational BS'o'meter to defend yourself against infection by false memes.
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But the mushrooms are transdimensional aliens! And 2012 isn´t nonsense.
 
polytrip said:
Aren't the transdimensional mushroom aliens, self dribbling jeweled basketballs in yet another dimension?
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maybe the self dribbling jeweled basketballs manifest as mushroom aliens only when in our dimension?
 
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