talk with DEA chief about prohibition and dmt

[nabster98]

Alright so swim currently had the chief of the DEA and his wife over for a few nights(old friends with mom). swim was at first worried because of his Peruvian torches and salvia plants growing upstairs, but this worry went away. We had quite an interesting conversation, it started with the only dangers of weed coming from the prohibition and he said he has friends in California with farms that see side effects like not being able to sleep without it. I kind of hinted towards dmt's legality and this is where things changed. He first started out by saying its rare like meth was in the 80s. The reason for it being illegal he said was because of the unknown strong powers of this substance and the little amount that they actually know about it. He actually spit out a bunch of nonsense things too, but i do not blame him for his ignorance. He also said this "the government has found some sort of connectivity between this drug and all living things that they find to be a hazard to the society and how it is structured", i asked about this but he couldnt further elaborate as he was not this high up in making the decision for its current status.

We all have experienced this connectivity and dont know whether to believe it as truth but is DMT really a gateway to something greater?

Also, do you think that this drug should be illegal? We all know that it is not for everyone, especially in todays society, but its pure nature always gives me a feeling of bliss and yet to do it one must be a "criminal" which we all know ourselves to be smart, but lost users, in this mass of ego around us.

 

[clouds]

...the chief of the DEA... said this: "the government has found some sort of connectivity between this drug and all living things that they find to be a hazard to the society and how it is structured"

What is that supposed to mean?

 

[MooshyPeaches]

Society's structure of work being life's #1 priority, coffee to keep us going, petty news and teams/politics/etc so we can have our 'opinions', taxes taxes taxes, anyone who steps into the light is shunned for breaking societys norms, not enough time/money to care about others/ need to rush rush rush, alcohol and cigarettes to keep the majority from escaping their lonely cubicle perspective, raise children and teach them how to become a part of the system and make money as soon as possible, hell, rob their childhood 'education'>fun , money is all that matters in life: if you have a lot of it you succeed and become happy/fulfilled/worth more than other humans, depression and people feeling more separate now from others then in any other time in human history yet the streets are crowded and people WANT to be free, truly free.

^ if you were to give a person who lives a 'responsible and efficient' life like this something like DMT or mushrooms, they might just see that there is more to life then chasing around numbers so we can purchase gismos that make our chasing numbers easier so that we can chase even more numbers so that we can...

STOP. BREATHE. LOOK AT YOUR LIFE. LOOK AT HOW YOUR SPENDING YOUR EXPERIENCE OF IT. [insert universe oneness ego death exprience] NOW CHOOSE HOW YOU WANT TO EXPERIENCE THE REST OF IT.

Id say about 90% of people will look at their life of chasing around a materialistic dream and laugh at how delusional the whole thing is, then start taking time off and reconnecting with nature and humanity at large. Than reincorporate the work (probably a job change too) without letting it grind us down into stressed out dust. Wanting to help others and to work and to give, just because we WANT to, because it makes us FEEL good and life is about FEELING. If people FEEL and notice how EVERYTHING is connected and we are all connected, life becomes much less serious and priorities towards life change. Change for the better, because we would want to change it towards a way where we ALL can be content, educated, free, healthy, clothed etc, because thats what we all want for ourselves, and if we see ourselves as one then we want free information, education, etc for ALL. This would be going from a society caring about manipulation, power, greed, $$$$ for just our own personal selves to a civilization that is a self supporting web of empathy and love.

If everyone started opening their eyes (psychedelics being the easy button to start) we would want to work together and change the direction of life we are heading. But its easy to stop people from doing this. Simply control their minds from the base up, give them a job and keep them in the fear that if they want to do something else they lose ALL OF IT. As long as they are in the responsible/efficient worker mindset they wouldn't dare go against the law, I mean drugs are for criminals and people that have a weak character which makes them need to run away from reality right? The government creates those laws to help and protect all of us right?

/a lil' rant

 

[redlightsflash]

...the chief of the DEA... said this: "the government has found some sort of connectivity between this drug and all living things that they find to be a hazard to the society and how it is structured"

What is that supposed to mean?

I second this. I'm confused.

I'm also confused/unsure how this conversation alluded to the faint possibility of it becoming legal. I very well could be missing something or misunderstanding what you wrote here, so explain further what you drew from what the chief said?

Despite this being highly unlikely right now, I think the future (maybe 500 years) will hold an entirely different perspective on drugs of all classes. I expect that government will realize that the best option is to abolish the "war", make all drugs legal, and instead focus intensely on educating the public about the truths and myths to each.

I like this quote from William White as it describes exactly how I've always felt about the war on drugs (and why I never give money to DARE when they stop me at the grocery store):

Numerous undergraduate students have told me that their interest in drugs started when they discovered that marijuana wasn't the evil demon-weed as they were taught, and that their brains didn't turn into fried eggs from smoking it. Nor did it take over their lives, as most who used marijuana maintained their grades, and restricted its use to weekends. If I had to make a generalization I would say that college marijuana users may be a lot more responsible with their drug use than college alcohol users.

I don't believe in the "gateway" theory that marijauna use leads to use of other drugs. Instead, I think that it is the propaganda about marijuana that leads to experimentation with other drugs. People don't enjoy being lied to, and anyone with two hours of free time and the barest of scientific knowledge can go pick up medical journals and learn that marijuana is one of the safest recreational drugs known to man. Many have told me that once they knew they'd been lied to about marijuana, they were curious to see if other drugs weren't the evil chemicals they'd been portrayed as.

 

[mattritt]

...the chief of the DEA... said this: "the government has found some sort of connectivity between this drug and all living things that they find to be a hazard to the society and how it is structured"

What is that supposed to mean?

That we won't listen to what they say because we're not retarded sheep.

 

[fourthripley]

...the chief of the DEA... said this: "the government has found some sort of connectivity between this drug and all living things that they find to be a hazard to the society and how it is structured"

What is that supposed to mean?

This drug is certainly present in an awful lot of living things; its ubiquity poses a hazard to the workings of the DEA and the way drug laws are structured in society.

 

[gibran2]

I must say that the title of this thread is misleading. There’s nothing in the original post that’s big news, and there are no breakthroughs in the legal status of DMT.

So what’s the point?

 

[69ron]

I must say that the title of this thread is misleading. There’s nothing in the original post that’s big news, and there are no breakthroughs in the legal status of DMT.

So what’s the point?

nabster98, I've got to say I don't like the title one bit and I'll be skeptical now whenever I see a title like that posted by you. I feel conned into reading this thread.

 

[kyrolima]

nabster98, I've got to say I don't like the title one bit and I'll be skeptical now whenever I see a title like that posted by you. I feel conned into reading this thread.

word

(feel ashamed and plan to never do it again) :roll:

 

[endlessness]

nabster98, I changed the thread title as others have requested, I hope you dont mind. It was indeed very misleading.

 

[nabster98]

Im sorry for all of you who feel conned, it wont happen again. As i see the name has already been changed. Why DMT is illegal has always been a mystery to me so i said "breakthrough of legal status" i just meant it as a breakthrough in factual information as to way it may actually be illegal. For i did not mean for this to turn into such a big deal. And were you all really conned, you learned some information from the inside, no matter how insignificant you may feel it is.

 

[ragabr]

Sorry nabster98, but this post had approximately zero information in it. Must feel good to have dinner with the chief of the DEA though, right?

 

[endlessness]

He actually spit out a bunch of nonsense things too, but i do not blame him for his ignorance.

it's not like he's a random engineer or a nuclear scientist or whatever else unrelated profession... he is the damn chief of the DEA, so yes I do think we should blame him for his ignorance. If he simply googles DMT he would probably learn a lot more than what he seems to have told you.

Bastard, I say! He's a big part of the whole demonic drug prohibition scheme, direct responsible for the ruining of thousands upon thousands of lives. I dont know how I would react if I had a dinner with him, (specially dont know how it would be if my moms would be friends with him) but all I can think now is that I would try to completely destroy his arguments one by one, till he either realizes it, or till he starts rationalizing his way out and make a fool out of himself

 

[Acolyte]

"the government has found some sort of connectivity between this drug and all living things that they find to be a hazard to the society and how it is structured"


@ MooshyPeaches 110% right on.

Spice is indeed dangerous to the structure of society. HOWEVER, the current sustainably of our society is in great question... thus it isn't much of a defense to insulate and protect something that is actively rotting away it's own foundation.

I believe Spice is needed to help us wake up and pull our shit together. Putting our heads in the sand "trying not to be disruptive" wont help much.



THANK YOU for the post nabster98! i hope we can talk more later.


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[nabster98]

indeed he SHOULD be responsible for knowing this information. But with my experience, i am never one to blame someone for the faults of current ego that has been setup and arranged by the powerful for thousands of years. Only in a perfect world would a DEA agent know the facts to base their prohibitions on. But, as we all know, this is not the case.

He says he is their to enforce the law, not to create it or question it. He used to be a member of swat, was offered the deal so he took it and probably gets paid quite a bit. Money seems to be an important factor in the lives of people today, it really is a shame.

Acolyte right on, you sound like quite a liberal(not an insult), its weird how many have used this as an insult towards me. I go with my opinions, not just trying to do whats "fun" like most others seem to view us soo called druggies of our time. We are more like inspirational leaders, developing our own structure, for ourselves and only that, in hopes that it may rub off. A cool thought to me has always been what if there is no such thing as ego in the future, and finally truth and anarchy in a way has been formed in society.Not anarchy in a form of chaos, but in a systematic sort of chaos, working in harmony for our prosperity.

Spice would bring a downfall to the so called God of many religions, used to control us and tell us what is "right"(sorry if this is offending to anyone, its not meant to).

Insulation and prohibition never works in a society, everyone knows this. Government wants it to work but i feel it makes people in hard times or people trying to work out their lives become criminals. It also involves us with the wrong sort of people that arent into it for the same purpose. Im a strong believer that humans know between right and wrong, but its relative, and we should follow our natural intuition. The government tries to blame us and punish us for our faults when they themselves are the ones that poisoned the fountain of todays youth. to paraphrase of john locke(the philosopher), not from lost, although similar

 

[Apoc]

...the chief of the DEA... said this: "the government has found some sort of connectivity between this drug and all living things that they find to be a hazard to the society and how it is structured"

What is that supposed to mean?

It's a powerful drug. I guess, for whatever reason, they decided people can't handle it..... but they can. And they can handle salvia too. I've found salvia to be even scarier than dmt,.... and yet salvia is, in many palces, completely legal, and surprise surprise, people aren't committing mass suicide or joining cults or throwing away their lives for salvia addiction, or going to the hospital for salvia related illness, or disease. It looks like people can handle psychedelics afterall.