Telekinesis Report

[toppy]

Ok, this is less of a report about a specific experience, and more of a report about my experiences which i cannot seem to relate to anyone elses.

I have not touched DMT for around 3 months now due to becoming homeless and living freely. But i have just got in 100g of bark and will be doing an extraction soon.

One of the last times i smoked some spice, i had an experience like no other, it was crazy actually, i become obsessed with experimenting on DMT and the power of the mind. I smoked, closed my eyes and and went UP into the light where all these people are, human in form, made of half light and half darkness. But i decided to control where i was going by doing something with my eyes which i cannot describe in words other than saying that it feels like the center of my brain starts pulsating and it feels magnetic, when i do this i can travel into the light which i am focusing on with my eyes closed, so i did this and i went DOWN, extremely far down until i reached what i am guessing is the underworld, It was no longer light, everything was semi cartoonish in look and it was dark, and very recognizable as a forest, i was walking down this path and approaching these gates, as i approached the gates, i realised there was 2 playing cards above them, King of spades and Queen of hearts (at this point i know within myself that this has something to do with magic)

I went through the gates and when i got through i see lots of people on a table and then a shutter closed in front of me, and my eyes were suddenly looking through a letter box, my face then got scanned and i opened my eyes.

So i was intrigued and thought i had to have another smoke, so i did and my god what happened was weird, i smoked about 50mg and while my eyes are open it just did not feel like it was taking effect, and then i closed my eyes and all i saw is 6 robotic beings made out of cogs, each one was a different color, but i concentrated on the yellow one, i looked into its eyes which seemed to be hypnotising me, getting closer and closer, and then i chuckled, larfed at him, as soon as i did this it jumped into my head!!

I opened my eyes and i could feel it in the back part of my brain and then suddenly i got re programmed!! in the space of 2 secconds i felt like a robot!! my head and thoughts felt like it was getting retuned in the space of 2 seconds i cannot explain it, i pulled so much weird faces in those 2 seconds it was crazy, i then looked at my right hand and was in shock to see a big violet flame bursting out of my hand, i was waving it slowly and could feel so much energy, it felt like as if my hand was under water, when i looked into the palm of my hand i could see lots of people walking down streets, it was so amazing and then out of the corner of my eye something ran through my room and my keys dropped on my chair, it looked like a little lizard.

So after this i closed my eyes again and i was in this weird place it was just yellow and grey, not neon light looking either, everything was made out of rubber, there were lizards there, so i got weirded out and opened my eyes and that was it.



The strangest thing that i have experienced after this was when i put a girl into some sort of control, i hit some DMT, after the 10 minute visual, i decided to close my eyes and do that magnetic pulsating thing with my third eye and i put my hands together while doing this, pointing at the girl, when i stopped and opened my eyes, she was looking at me very silent and so was everyone else, they was all playing around before i closed my eyes. She shouted at me "harry if you ever do that again i will punch you in your face!" and i was like "what happend" she said she felt stuck and she described the magnetic pulsating sound she could hear. I was stunned when she said that and ever since that day she hasnt spoke to me, we was real close aswell.

If anyone else has had telepathic experiences or any sort of psychic experiences please let me know. I have been meditating every day since leaving home and i am able to put people asleep, feel peoples energies and dictate them, see my own aura, look into my hands and see pictures coming through, and also other peoples hands etc etc.

 

[Doodazzle]

Have had a spice-related psychic experience....

First of all, fascinating read and I thank you for posting.

Here goes:

Brief pre-cognitive flashes, such as seeing what was about to happen in vivid and shocking detail, just a moment before it actually happened. Knocked me on my ass, like on tv/movies, when there's a pre-cog character and they have painful visions--it was like that. Codielia on the show Angel anyone? Like that. Not painful though, overwhelming however.

This 'gift' was with me for a day, maybe day and a half, in the wake of a very powerful spice session. It began a few minutes after the session was over and lasted until some point the next day...

Fine, I'll leave you with an actual anecdote, in brief:

I walk towards my kitchen. Rounding a corner I am struck down to my knees in the dinning room, overcome by a terrible vision of a gigantic insectoid alien thing. It takes a steeling of the nerves to get me up on my feet, to forcemyself to continue and face whatever is in that kitchen. Stepping forward, I flick the light and again, the shock, the absolute surreal moment of uttermost terror---- The biggest thousand legger I ever done seen. It's antenea just twitch. One of these fellers:

The vision was fairly acurate, just the scale was slightly off. In the vision it seemed to tower....the actual beasty however was more like three huge inches.



I feel my ego lost me that gift. I told an ex g/f of the experience (there were maybe two other similiar occurances over the couse of a day or so. The bug incident is just the most story worthy one). True I wanted to share with her a sense of wonderment in the world, but then again, I was also seeking validation. It felt wrong just speaking of it. It felt even more wrong when the woman in question rediculed my experience.

I'd love to get this ability back, to cultivate it somehow and learn from it. At this point I probably I am not ready to handle nor make good use of such a gift, but msybe the glimpse can help push me forward.

 

[SoulCrushingBass]

Ok, this is less of a report about a specific experience, and more of a report about my experiences which i cannot seem to relate to anyone elses.

I have not touched DMT for around 3 months now due to becoming homeless and living freely. But i have just got in 100g of bark and will be doing an extraction soon.

One of the last times i smoked some spice, i had an experience like no other, it was crazy actually, i become obsessed with experimenting on DMT and the power of the mind. I smoked, closed my eyes and and went UP into the light where all these people are, human in form, made of half light and half darkness. But i decided to control where i was going by doing something with my eyes which i cannot describe in words other than saying that it feels like the center of my brain starts pulsating and it feels magnetic, when i do this i can travel into the light which i am focusing on with my eyes closed, so i did this and i went DOWN, extremely far down until i reached what i am guessing is the underworld, It was no longer light, everything was semi cartoonish in look and it was dark, and very recognizable as a forest, i was walking down this path and approaching these gates, as i approached the gates, i realised there was 2 playing cards above them, King of spades and Queen of hearts (at this point i know within myself that this has something to do with magic)

I went through the gates and when i got through i see lots of people on a table and then a shutter closed in front of me, and my eyes were suddenly looking through a letter box, my face then got scanned and i opened my eyes.

So i was intrigued and thought i had to have another smoke, so i did and my god what happened was weird, i smoked about 50mg and while my eyes are open it just did not feel like it was taking effect, and then i closed my eyes and all i saw is 6 robotic beings made out of cogs, each one was a different color, but i concentrated on the yellow one, i looked into its eyes which seemed to be hypnotising me, getting closer and closer, and then i chuckled, larfed at him, as soon as i did this it jumped into my head!!

I opened my eyes and i could feel it in the back part of my brain and then suddenly i got re programmed!! in the space of 2 secconds i felt like a robot!! my head and thoughts felt like it was getting retuned in the space of 2 seconds i cannot explain it, i pulled so much weird faces in those 2 seconds it was crazy, i then looked at my right hand and was in shock to see a big violet flame bursting out of my hand, i was waving it slowly and could feel so much energy, it felt like as if my hand was under water, when i looked into the palm of my hand i could see lots of people walking down streets, it was so amazing and then out of the corner of my eye something ran through my room and my keys dropped on my chair, it looked like a little lizard.

So after this i closed my eyes again and i was in this weird place it was just yellow and grey, not neon light looking either, everything was made out of rubber, there were lizards there, so i got weirded out and opened my eyes and that was it.



The strangest thing that i have experienced after this was when i put a girl into some sort of control, i hit some DMT, after the 10 minute visual, i decided to close my eyes and do that magnetic pulsating thing with my third eye and i put my hands together while doing this, pointing at the girl, when i stopped and opened my eyes, she was looking at me very silent and so was everyone else, they was all playing around before i closed my eyes. She shouted at me "harry if you ever do that again i will punch you in your face!" and i was like "what happend" she said she felt stuck and she described the magnetic pulsating sound she could hear. I was stunned when she said that and ever since that day she hasnt spoke to me, we was real close aswell.

If anyone else has had telepathic experiences or any sort of psychic experiences please let me know. I have been meditating every day since leaving home and i am able to put people asleep, feel peoples energies and dictate them, see my own aura, look into my hands and see pictures coming through, and also other peoples hands etc etc.

Badass man! I am the same boat at the same time as you, that's amazing brother! Doing Aya with a friend a month ago, I theorized if we found the right sound, like whizzzewwwizzzeww or something like a word, it could be possible to put people into a trance. Also, that everything is possible if we know the way to do it, like REAL alchemy. I think it has to do with the mindset before going in, a very specific goal and expected outcome. I've only had like 20 dmt smokes so far, and just begun piecing together ideas for controlled magick experiences. However, I used to do alot of dxm in high school. Me and two buddies were tripping on 460mg freebase, and saw one friends cat run into the room of a confined corner with no way to escape. We all looked there like wtf is wrong with the cat? The cat was not there. Later I went to light a smoke, a Camel Wide. I used to light cigarettes like cigars, puffing and making the flame pulse. Which is what I did, puff, puff, puff, and took a drag. They were both watching me. I went to take another drag and we just about shit ourselves. The cig hadn't even been touched by the flame, AT ALL! There was no power of suggestion. We all remember to this day how crazy that was. I moved a year later. I had a hard time making friends in a new school being my senior year. I was invited to a party and some dudes were shroomin. Later recanting how we met, they remember tripping balls and some guy, (me) came walking in with a yellow aura, and they were like, "we gotta know this guy". To this day we are close friends. Anywhoo, A couple of us Dexed alot. I started becoming telepathic. It started with completing sentences. Then one day one of my friends, kind of a non-believer says, "F-ck this dude, what am I thinking right now?" I don't remember but said what came to mind and it was right. We did this a couple times and I didn't fail once.

I am currently trying to coordinate with some friends to do some kind of ritual with simultaneous Dmt usage. I was thinking of making like a circle with symbols seen in D realms, like the half-moon, and a black hole in the center. Try and summon something into existence. Or maybe something that spins easily and see if we can make it spin with our minds. Baby steps. I know the mind is capable. I've KNOWN when coming in and out of Aya that it is all possible, just can't remember how, yet. Let's keep this going and track some details. I think together we can get more people on boat and with this goal in mind, achieve something truly amazing, groundbreaking, and potentially earth changing.

Namaste.

 

[universecannon]

Toppy, i've heard a couple stories similar to yours, so i don't think your alone here or have anything to worry about. this actually reminds me of some experience terence talked about in the amazon

Have had a spice-related psychic experience....

First of all, fascinating read and I thank you for posting.

Here goes:

Brief pre-cognitive flashes, such as seeing what was about to happen in vivid and shocking detail, just a moment before it actually happened. Knocked me on my ass, like on tv/movies, when there's a pre-cog character and they have painful visions--it was like that. Codielia on the show Angel anyone? Like that. Not painful though, overwhelming however.

This 'gift' was with me for a day, maybe day and a half, in the wake of a very powerful spice session. It began a few minutes after the session was over and lasted until some point the next day...

Fine, I'll leave you with an actual anecdote, in brief:

I walk towards my kitchen. Rounding a corner I am struck down to my knees in the dinning room, overcome by a terrible vision of a gigantic insectoid alien thing. It takes a steeling of the nerves to get me up on my feet, to forcemyself to continue and face whatever is in that kitchen. Stepping forward, I flick the light and again, the shock, the absolute surreal moment of uttermost terror---- The biggest thousand legger I ever done seen. It's antenea just twitch. One of these fellers:

The vision was fairly acurate, just the scale was slightly off. In the vision it seemed to tower....the actual beasty however was more like three huge inches.



I feel my ego lost me that gift. I told an ex g/f of the experience (there were maybe two other similiar occurances over the couse of a day or so. The bug incident is just the most story worthy one). True I wanted to share with her a sense of wonderment in the world, but then again, I was also seeking validation. It felt wrong just speaking of it. It felt even more wrong when the woman in question rediculed my experience.

I'd love to get this ability back, to cultivate it somehow and learn from it. At this point I probably I am not ready to handle nor make good use of such a gift, but msybe the glimpse can help push me forward.

I saw that exact bug last May when i was about to brew up a massive amount of syrian rue. I had blended hundreds of grams of rue in a blender and it was on large table in a jar. After turning on the stove i saw that same massive bug directly under the jar on the floor. it stayed there the entire time i brewed the rue lol. i'd never seen a bug that massive

i also had a similar pre-cognitive trip experience having to do with bugs that is pretty similar to your story, which i described in post #51 of this thread a few days ago

 

[Doodazzle]

SoulCrushingBass,


What you are talking about, an evokation, geotia stylee, like in the grimoires? With Spice.

I am currently trying to coordinate with some friends to do some kind of ritual with simultaneous Dmt usage. I was thinking of making like a circle with symbols seen in D realms, like the half-moon, and a black hole in the center. Try and summon something into existence.

That it is a bold and perhaps foolhardy plan. Making something spin would be much safer.

 

[Doodazzle]

UniverseCanon said:

"Have these entities given ANY knowledge to ANYONE not already part of their being?" " So far, they don't provide us any benefit other than personal messages masked in some psychedelic dream."

While its tough to 'prove' these things in a lab, i do think there is a lot of first person accounts that hint something is going on here. I agree with snozz and i don't want to argue-as i don't care to try and convince people, since no one really knows.. but i guess i really just love to rant

Shamans worldwide have been claiming to go into these dimensions for specific reasons, often to gain knowledge or information to help the tribe, or person they are healing, for thousands of years. They claim it can often reliably provide accurate information. First person accounts of these shamans, in books like the Wizard of the upper amazon have tons of instances where that dimension provides beneficial information that wouldn't have been accessed otherwise, which turns out to be true. So does ayahuasca in my blood, many other books, and many individual reports. heres just one of mine

My plant was saved right after a dmt trip once due to the information i had obtained. I had taken a light combination of mushrooms and acid, and then smoked a good dose of dmt. I immediately heard the words "please help me" in a very chaotic voice in my head (which shocked me, but i initially interpreted it as coming from 'me' as i dissolved)..and then was propelled into a world made of what i first thought was arms, but realized was white worms, but more stubby like maggots. I opened my eyes and saw one of these massive creatures very clearly with a terrifyingly menacing face walk across the room and hide in my roomates closet, and heard again "please help me" coming from somewhere else. I distinctly felt like he had invaded my room and wasn't going to leave even after the trip

i paced back in forth in the room trying to relax and think, and for some reason had a sudden urge that compelled me to take a closer look in the pot of one of my many plants i had. I found dozens and dozens of these white worm things that i'd just seen, but miniature, in the soil of this plant. Once fully down from the dmt they were still there, and were still squirming around in the soil the next day while completely down- it wasn't a hallucination. I ended up feeding a bunch to my venus fly trap and then killed the rest with a powder i later got at the store. This is just one example of thousands.. and many of which dwarf the level of peculiarity seen here

Very similiar--and cool that you recieved actually useful info.

 

[Hyperspace Fool]

Nice thread.

Very cool to read the experiences of other psychonauts in this psi realm. Especially cool that none of the usual skeptics here have come on this thread to tell us all we are crazy nutjobs! (at least not yet)

I am very happy to see that so many Nexians are progressing on to these more advanced levels of awareness and ability. In my circle of friends, there have been massive and voluminous examples of telepathy, telekinesis, precognition, prophecy, and even more miraculous things. It is rarely ever possible to demonstrate such things for true non-believers. But, those who experience these things know them to be real.

Sadly, there will always be people who find that even mentioning things that they don't understand, or believe possible, amounts to an attack on their belief system. I am sure you all, who have posted thus far here, know full well what I speak of.

Be strong fellow psychonauts and don't let the inevitable debunkers and mythbusters dissuade you. While we can keep our experiences to ourselves (certainly refrain from telling any self-important pschologists stuff like this), we can never be made to deny the truth of our own experiences. Whether out of jealousy or some odd sense of identification with what outsiders think when they view our community... there are many here who will lambast you and attempt to make you feel irrational.

Ignore them.

Psi on my friends. You are at the forefront of human evolution.

(note to Soul Crushing Bass... I would recommend against summoning entities in the way you describe. This kind of activity can go horribly wrong, and amounts to sorcery. Manifesting objects is safer... but you may want to start with levitation of a feather or something along those lines. Peace.)

 

[SoulCrushingBass]

SoulCrushingBass,


What you are talking about, an evokation, geotia stylee, like in the grimoires? With Spice.

I am currently trying to coordinate with some friends to do some kind of ritual with simultaneous Dmt usage. I was thinking of making like a circle with symbols seen in D realms, like the half-moon, and a black hole in the center. Try and summon something into existence.

That it is a bold and perhaps foolhardy plan. Making something spin would be much safer.

Not sure what kind of magic yet. But yeah I'm not too worried about it. I thought of making something spin too. I have a friend who has offered to cast a circle while doing so.

 

[SoulCrushingBass]

Nice thread.

(note to Soul Crushing Bass... I would recommend against summoning entities in the way you describe. This kind of activity can go horribly wrong, and amounts to sorcery. Manifesting objects is safer... but you may want to start with levitation of a feather or something along those lines. Peace.)

I've been to some far out places. I'm ready for more. I would only do the extreme with friends, who agree with it and are not nervous. There's so much more energy with others around, especially on the same wavelength. Not sure about what kind of things can be summoned. Maybe Tesla, have some high voltage low amperage lightning like a Tesla coil

 

[SoulCrushingBass]

As far as a summoning or invocation, I'm still trying to research and learn more about specifics. Who knows if I or others haven't done this accidentally before. I mean, how many times have you done D with a SPECIFIC task, goal, or idea in mind? I can't think of one time. So in that sense we are subjecting ourselves to chaos of the mind or universe. So I am bold, I will be bold and choose to walk the path through the darkness, that everyone wants to warn me of, some see as dangerous, because that is the kind of person I am. If anyone has the mental strength to brave these realms, the foolish courage to do so, I believe I am one to carry this task. There was a time before man went into outer space, a deadly place void of heat and oxygen. It's time to map inner space and dive into these places.

Namaste

 

[tele]

SCB; I don't know if I got your point correctly... But I have blasted off with a idea of "where" I want to head with it or what do I want from the journey and have succeeded more than once.

 

[Hyperspace Fool]

As far as a summoning or invocation, I'm still trying to research and learn more about specifics. Who knows if I or others haven't done this accidentally before. I mean, how many times have you done D with a SPECIFIC task, goal, or idea in mind? I can't think of one time. So in that sense we are subjecting ourselves to chaos of the mind or universe. So I am bold, I will be bold and choose to walk the path through the darkness, that everyone wants to warn me of, some see as dangerous, because that is the kind of person I am. If anyone has the mental strength to brave these realms, the foolish courage to do so, I believe I am one to carry this task. There was a time before man went into outer space, a deadly place void of heat and oxygen. It's time to map inner space and dive into these places.

Namaste

Like tele, I (and many other Nexians) have had very clear intentions, SPECIFIC goals and the like on many occasions.

Spoiler alert: They work.

As for your willingness to walk through the darkness and danger... kudos. If you are as strong and willful as it sounds, I have no doubt that a warrior like yourself will be able to traverse even some epicly spooky marshes of the soul, and come out stronger for it.

The general warnings are just that... general. They are simply a recognition that most people aren't as strong as you seem to be. You seem to be aware of the potential dangers, and willing to face any consequences that might arise from your being overconfident or needlessly brash.

I respect where you are at. I too was a head strong warrior. My warnings to people come out of my personal first hand experience. Obviously I made it through relatively unscathed... and certainly stronger for the experience. I just know too many people who did not.

Be well my brother SCB. No one can dissuade you from exploring what your soul calls you to explore... and I wouldn't presume to try. I will only say, that if you do want to walk those roads... prepare yourself well. Avail yourself of as much knowledge as you can. Learn how to protect yourself, and try to avoid just leaping before you look.

Guidance and protection to you...
HF

 

[ChaoticMethod]

I am very happy to see that so many Nexians are progressing on to these more advanced levels of awareness and ability. In my circle of friends, there have been massive and voluminous examples of telepathy, telekinesis, precognition, prophecy, and even more miraculous things. It is rarely ever possible to demonstrate such things for true non-believers.

I am very curious. Why would it be impossible to demonstrate such things for true non-believers?

I don't consider myself a non-believer, but definitely a sceptic. I think it essential to consider every possibility with an healthy amount of doubt.

 

[Hyperspace Fool]

I am very happy to see that so many Nexians are progressing on to these more advanced levels of awareness and ability. In my circle of friends, there have been massive and voluminous examples of telepathy, telekinesis, precognition, prophecy, and even more miraculous things. It is rarely ever possible to demonstrate such things for true non-believers.

I am very curious. Why would it be impossible to demonstrate such things for true non-believers?

I don't consider myself a non-believer, but definitely a sceptic. I think it essential to consider every possibility with an healthy amount of doubt.

Note, I did not say impossible... I said rarely ever possible.

The main obstacle is that the skeptic doesn't actually have the experience, but must take the word of whoever is having it... this always leaves room for doubt. Even with some pretty convincing examples, I have seen many a non-believer simply cry foul and insist that it is a set up. That everyone involved is just f*cking with them.

Also, of the handful of times that we have been able to convince a non-believer, the overwhelming majority (80% or more) were not uplifted or enhanced by having had their belief system shattered for them. Many of them became convinced that we were sorcerers or warlocks or something. A good many never would talk to us or hang out with us again.

So, the usual question for people in a position to demonstrate supernatural abilities to others is... "Why?"

What good could come of it, and what do we care if other people believe in these phenomenal things or not? We can already do it...

Demonstrate something too special for the wrong person and you could wind up a classified experimental subject locked in an undisclosed government laboratory or turned into a military asset against your will.

So, again... why would anyone want to prove these things to you?

 

[Vodsel]

So, the usual question for people in a position to demonstrate supernatural abilities to others is... "Why?"

What good could come of it, and what do we care if other people believe in these phenomenal things or not? We can already do it...

Demonstrate something too special for the wrong person and you could wind up a classified experimental subject locked in an undisclosed government laboratory or turned into a military asset against your will.

So, again... why would anyone want to prove these things to you?

Because there is people who are eager to see their beliefs shattered, I'd suggest. And because if something is good for you, if something made you live a more fulfilling life, and hence made the closest people to you more fulfilled, is worth teaching - unless you are a misanthrope, which is totally respectable.

Being very selective with whom you share your skills, knowledge and assets is a good thing imo. Selective, not shunning. Otherwise, chances are that people who have good ears and the right attitude will dismiss your knowledge, shrug and walk away thinking you are just a pretender. Please note that I'm not implying you are, I'm just conveying what people with my frame of mind might think before some of your statements - if they are not backed up or shared, even in a one-on-one personal basis. And I'm not necessarily talking about empirical proof. I am aware that Randi's million dollars might be completely out of reach, not because there are no such things, but because his requirements to get paid are impossible to fulfill.

 

[Doodazzle]

Noone who could would ever bother.


That would be one crappy afternoon.

 

[Hyperspace Fool]

Because there is people who are eager to see their beliefs shattered, I'd suggest. And because if something is good for you, if something made you live a more fulfilling life, and hence made the closest people to you more fulfilled, is worth teaching - unless you are a misanthrope, which is totally respectable.

Being very selective with whom you share your skills, knowledge and assets is a good thing imo. Selective, not shunning. Otherwise, chances are that people who have good ears and the right attitude will dismiss your knowledge, shrug and walk away thinking you are just a pretender. Please note that I'm not implying you are, I'm just conveying what people with my frame of mind might think before some of your statements - if they are not backed up or shared, even in a one-on-one personal basis. And I'm not necessarily talking about empirical proof. I am aware that Randi's million dollars might be completely out of reach, not because there are no such things, but because his requirements to get paid are impossible to fulfill.

Well friend... you will notice that I didn't say we haven't tried. On the contrary, what I have said is that we tried a bunch of times and only succeeded a handful of times. The percentage of people who dealt with this experience in any kind of positive way was rather too small to be worth the effort for me.

The fact that I have a large circle of friends who are all able to do these kinds of things should indicate that we are not a shunning group. For those who are sincere, and not overly unpleasant to be around... we have many people who are generally happy to assist people in manifesting these abilities for themselves.

Looky loos and the curious skeptics tend not to be welcome at any entheogenic circle... never mind ones where people are trying to maintain a high enough vibration for the miraculous to occur. Even teens who take a few hits of LSD are not usually interested in having people hang around who are not also along for the ride.

As Ken Kesey was known to say "You're either on the bus, or off the bus."

What skeptics often don't realize is that their nervous, critical and often overtly negative vibes are injurious to sensitive people... and rather deleterious for the creation of the proper environment for many of the more interesting phenomena.

In the end, though, if tripper X reads the mind of tripper Y and says what they found... only tripper Y knows for sure if this is true. Non believers can be harder to read, especially if they are not also tripping. So forget about convincing a skeptic about basic telepathy.

I have managed to freak out a room full of skeptics before, though. Completely sober, I got a flash from an entity download where the scene unfolding in front of me was shown to me. At the time of the download, I wasn't overly aware of that particular part of a dense information packet, but it came back in stark clarity and detail. So, I turned to my friend and said "Dude, I have seen this all before..." I proceeded to tell everyone in earshot exactly what I had seen. I said, okay the phone is about to ring. It rang. I said it will be ******* on the phone. It was. I said that she was going to invite us all somewhere. She did. I correctly predicted over 12 distinct events over the course of about 5 minutes before the precognition (or whatever you want to call that) wore off. By the third correct pronouncement, people were kind of tripping out on me. Most of them were skeptics, and the alarm they were experiencing was palpable.

They didn't believe in entities, let alone that one could download me an entire scene from my future 3 years previously. So, instead, they mostly convinced themselves that my friends ******** & ******* were in on the prank with me. One set to call at a certain time with a pre-arranged invite, and one to walk in the door at a pre-arranged time and say some pre-arranged text. It mattered little that both friends denied any conspiracy or prank. Many of them conveniently forgot that I also predicted the entry of a cat through an upper window and exactly where she would go in the room. (Well, a cat coming in and going to her water bowl is not a huge coincidence I admit.)

I suppose the end of this kind of thing for me is that I don't care if people believe. I never have. I don't particularly like blowing people's realities for them either. If someone comes to me and wants my help or advice, I am eminently available. But trying to devise a suitable test to prove to others that I can astral project? No thank you.

I have confirmed my astral projections for myself. I have confirmed my shared lucid dreams with others who participated. What on earth do I have to gain from convincing anyone else?

These forums can paint a wrong picture. I don't go around touting myself or my abilities. There are many close friends of mine who have no idea of what I am capable of. It is in these kinds of threads, here on a site full of people at the forefront of human exploration, on topics that relate, and instigated by other posters that I might let slip some things... or be willing to stand here and defend things I know to be true.

But I have not the slightest hope that a non-believer or hardened skeptic will come around to my point of view. I am not foolish enough to think anyone will believe anything I post here and take it at its face value... I wouldn't really respect anyone who would.

The people who PM me with gratitude or tell me that they find me credible are inevitably ones who either have already experienced such things themselves, or are on the verge of experiencing them... and already believe such things to be possible. It is exceedingly rare for a skeptic to even admit that I might not be a complete nutjob.

Oh well.
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[Vodsel]

Thanks for the reply.

What skeptics often don't realize is that their nervous, critical and often overtly negative vibes are injurious to sensitive people... and rather deleterious for the creation of the proper environment for many of the more interesting phenomena.

In the end, though, if tripper X reads the mind of tripper Y and says what they found... only tripper Y knows for sure if this is true. Non believers can be harder to read, especially if they are not also tripping. So forget about convincing a skeptic about basic telepathy.

I know this is a tough point. As a rule of thumb, when someone says that certain phenomenon is not happening because of a "negative attitude" or "bad vibes" or the like, the hard-core skeptic will call either bluff, scam, mass suggestion, and so on. It's a side effect of strictly following Occam's Razor. And I agree that OR is a very handy tool. Thinking that the obscurity of a process won't disappear by allowing its agents to multiply makes a lot of sense. The problem with OR is that it can adjust too easily to the worldview of the user, and when the simplest explanation of a phenomenon that doesn't seem to fit the materialistic point of view requires some sort of extrasensory perception, the simplest explanation is disregarded in favor of another one that, no matter how elaborate, doesn't require jumping the fence.

Now, realizing that you can possibly lift the posts and move the fence a few feet further, for a while, just to see what happens, is a requirement for me. Skepticism is doubt, not rejection. If you are not open to doubt even the very ground you are standing on, by definition you are not a skeptic.

I have managed to freak out a room full of skeptics before, though. Completely sober, I got a flash from an entity download where the scene unfolding in front of me was shown to me. At the time of the download, I wasn't overly aware of that particular part of a dense information packet, but it came back in stark clarity and detail. So, I turned to my friend and said "Dude, I have seen this all before..." I proceeded to tell everyone in earshot exactly what I had seen. I said, okay the phone is about to ring. It rang. I said it will be ******* on the phone. It was. I said that she was going to invite us all somewhere. She did. I correctly predicted over 12 distinct events over the course of about 5 minutes before the precognition (or whatever you want to call that) wore off. By the third correct pronouncement, people were kind of tripping out on me. Most of them were skeptics, and the alarm they were experiencing was palpable.

They didn't believe in entities, let alone that one could download me an entire scene from my future 3 years previously. So, instead, they mostly convinced themselves that my friends ******** & ******* were in on the prank with me. One set to call at a certain time with a pre-arranged invite, and one to walk in the door at a pre-arranged time and say some pre-arranged text. It mattered little that both friends denied any conspiracy or prank. Many of them conveniently forgot that I also predicted the entry of a cat through an upper window and exactly where she would go in the room. (Well, a cat coming in and going to her water bowl is not a huge coincidence I admit.)

When I was in high school, a few friends and I experimented for a while with a Ouija board. Well, sort of. It was home made, and during the multiple times we toyed with it, we used several settings - including a wide variety of glasses and cups, and improvisations using letters and numbers cut in small squares of paper and distributed forming a large ellipse with the glass inside of it. Most of us did not follow the traditional spiritistic interpretation, à la Kardec, of the phenomenon. And no matter the output of the session, even the times when someone made a classic "entity" or "spirit" summoning (thus making some of us click our tongues) I have to say I never saw hollywood-like happenings. No possessions or medium episodes, no apparent telekinesis, and certainly no other physical or visible appearances.

However, a bunch of unexplainable events did happen, besides the obvious feeling of pull of the glass sliding under our fingers. Sometimes, one of us would leave the room and write a random word in a paper, then come back and wait silently for the rest to guess using the board. A number of times big enough to absolutely rule out sheer lucky guesses, we found out which the word was. And I know there was no set up. What I noted was that, in order for the trick to work, the person who wrote it had to be with us. Hands off the glass, but in the room with us. Most of us had the impression that "the glass knew what either of us knew", so years later I integrated those experiences as some sort of device-channeled telepathy, and often a catalyst for the not-conscious. In my experience, it was a product of the participants - but at the same time, the participants were obviously doing things that the materialistic frame cannot explain.

I suppose the end of this kind of thing for me is that I don't care if people believe. I never have. I don't particularly like blowing people's realities for them either. If someone comes to me and wants my help or advice, I am eminently available. But trying to devise a suitable test to prove to others that I can astral project? No thank you.

I have confirmed my astral projections for myself. I have confirmed my shared lucid dreams with others who participated. What on earth do I have to gain from convincing anyone else?

I relate. Even with such a simple experience as the one I just wrote about, I know what you mean. Obviously, if I also consider my posterior experiences with psychedelics, even if mild so far, I can relate even more. Not even with the shock of the first entheogenic experiences, I had any strong impulse to share it and tell anyone, nor even the reasonably close friends that I could get a hold of. And I know that part of that reluctance has to do with the feeling they won't understand. Even if they believe you. Unless they have been there themselves, the experience would be quite pointless... with one exception.

The exception is the awakening of sincere curiosity. Sharing an experience might be good, even if you don't need to share it personally, in case it falls in fertile ground. Or in avid ground. I don't think I would bring up my experiences with psychedelics easily, without a cue. Most certainly not with people I don't know, rarely with people I know... and obviously all the time with people that know well what I'm talking about. So,

These forums can paint a wrong picture. I don't go around touting myself or my abilities. There are many close friends of mine who have no idea of what I am capable of. It is in these kinds of threads, here on a site full of people at the forefront of human exploration, on topics that relate, and instigated by other posters that I might let slip some things... or be willing to stand here and defend things I know to be true.

... I agree. QED. But to paraphrase Orwell, to the eyes of an outsider, all of us look like nutjobs, but some of us look more like nutjobs than others.

Once here, my mind is more receptive. I put on the tryptamine glasses, and officially I stop being a nutjob and they start becoming oblivious.

Luckily enough, I keep the skeptic glasses handy. I made sure I can wear them on top of the tryptamine ones. And whenever I read something that asks me to make a long leap, I put them on. And it's funny how both glasses work together. It's a f****d up thing, they are compatible, but they often make you squint so much. It's like swimming and guarding your clothes.

As you can guess, you are one of the people here that made me put on the skeptic glasses. But since here they work different, I cannot follow the exact classic skeptic judgements since they would contradict myself all the time. And to make things worse, there is no body language either... so I can rely on coherence, symptoms of personal or ulterior motives if any, consistency with other reports, and so on.

So I looked to your previous comment with the glasses on and I liked it. That means I can stay open to what you say, and also means I want to be able to stay open to what you say, and I'm cool with that.

But I have not the slightest hope that a non-believer or hardened skeptic will come around to my point of view. I am not foolish enough to think anyone will believe anything I post here and take it at its face value... I wouldn't really respect anyone who would.

The people who PM me with gratitude or tell me that they find me credible are inevitably ones who either have already experienced such things themselves, or are on the verge of experiencing them... and already believe such things to be possible. It is exceedingly rare for a skeptic to even admit that I might not be a complete nutjob.

Oh well.
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As far as I'm concerned, I want to learn and I don't mind if my frame of mind is shattered. I've cleaned the mess after something like that a few times in my life so far, so besides the glasses, I'm also keeping the broom.

Keep them coming

And excuses to the OP for pushing the thread a little bit off-topic. I do that a lot.

 

[SoulCrushingBass]

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Today I've demonstrated without any sense of danger the ability for mind over matter. After two friends each enjoyed 25mg mg in about a toke and a half, I loaded up a 30. I meditated on the memory of a video called "the detailed universe", zooming out on the universe, then back in, all the way into our cells to reveal a universe around the atoms that make us. I had a piece of paper folded like a pyramid balanced and a pen to spin easily. The goal was to try psychokinesis and make it spin. Time to smoke. I usually take this in one hit. somehow, it started feeling weird (I know right?) but I took 6 tokes and got the sensation I was manifesting D into the pipe. After the 4th or so hit, a friend was asking the other how I got so many hits. There was still some left afterwards. I had been watching a pulsating wave by the floor, which a cat of my friend started to walk-through. Both friends watched the whole thing. The cat moved all funky and awkward in the space of where my visuals were, he tried to free himself from this trance and when he got to a stronger point of a visual spot in my trip he froze, his face went limp, he obviously seemed to be stuck now, mentally and physically. The cat didn't move a muscle for about another 8 minutes until I came down. His eyes were rolled so far back into his head and he was just out of it for another 30 min. We watched, and laughed, then regained ourselves, then a friend says, "Man you f--ked up my cat!"

Hope you didn't want a lengthy essay here....I like to keep it as short as possible and on topic.