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The Art of Changa, a guide to making the perfect blends.

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This thread is great...funny though, even though i have a great MHRB supply, i have no idea on where to obtain changa...:p :oops:

Its been almost a week now since i have stopped smoking weed, so i realized if i want to have more of my spice...i'll need some changa to replace the cannabis..

But after much reading, i'm sure i'll find it, for it cannot be illegal right?:?:


Oooh rue shop accept BTC, now thats caring..:lol: :lol:
 
So much love and gratitude to you for this write-up and all the hours of devotion that went into it!

I recently made a 1:1:1 | spice : rue harmalas : leaf changa. Leaf was 2:1:1 | caapi : damiana : mullein. Alks were dissolved in IPA infusions of passionflower (P. edulis flower buds), lavender, and spearmint in a ration of 2:2:1. Cured in a glass jar. The favorite blend I've ever made by miles. It's so gentle and smooth and I experienced no anxiety. Hit me with a rainbow wave :) Something you immediately want to share with those you love. Blessings to all!
 
acacian said:
my idea at the moment is this: I am trying to find a way to really capture the plant essence while still being able to smoke in a bong, which is my favoured route of administration ... and I am finding that infusing extracts back onto their source plant works really well for this. so I am thinking I am going to try extracting alkaloids from a species (mucronata is next on the list), soak it back onto the ground phyllodes from whence it came, and then wait till spring and extract the floral essence from the flowers, and soak that onto the enhanced phyllodes.. I'd really like to try this with more species and make an extract which captures each tree in a real "overall" sorta way.. capture the plant essence in both effects but also flavour
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That's bloody brilliant! :thumb_up:

..in a bong made from Acacia wood... :?
 
Jees said:
olympus mon said:
...Infusing the blend-
It’s pretty easy and there are multiple ways. I’ll describe the easiest and use the most commonly found ingredient which is 99% isopropyl alcohol or IPA...
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I've read some post of 2009 about harmala red (#47, 48, 76, 78 ), formed by harmalas and alcohol, and in those days it was considered a degradation of the harmalas, with a big question mark of affecting the potency (to whatever extend between 0 and 100%). Has the jury come to a conclusion about that meanwhile? The changa essays indicate activity, but was the activity impacted by the solvent to a degree? Is that still a question mark, or has there been (4 years later now) a definite verdict about the harmala red mystery?
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this is still an interesting question.. is IPA a problem with harmala-freebase?
and, which solvents are better for making changa?
 
RideFree said:
Jees said:
olympus mon said:
...Infusing the blend-
It’s pretty easy and there are multiple ways. I’ll describe the easiest and use the most commonly found ingredient which is 99% isopropyl alcohol or IPA...
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I've read some post of 2009 about harmala red (#47, 48, 76, 78 ), formed by harmalas and alcohol, and in those days it was considered a degradation of the harmalas, with a big question mark of affecting the potency (to whatever extend between 0 and 100%). Has the jury come to a conclusion about that meanwhile? The changa essays indicate activity, but was the activity impacted by the solvent to a degree? Is that still a question mark, or has there been (4 years later now) a definite verdict about the harmala red mystery?
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this is still an interesting question.. is IPA a problem with harmala-freebase?
and, which solvents are better for making changa?
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Thanks for sharing this information. I wish i knew the answers but Im not the person to ask. However i could contest that my changa made with IPA has never failed to deliver as designed for myself and others. I would be willing to bet from my personal exp is that if IPA is doing any degradation to the harmalas its not at a practical level that effects the experience.
 
@pitubo & DesykaLamgeenie:
WoW - thanks for the links.. i have to read a bit now ;-)

@olympus mon:
that's my experience too.. i only make changa with 99% IPA, and i never had the feeling that the harmalas don't do their job 8)

but anyway, i'm a bit curious if the color change is something harmful if smoked?!

maybe i'll try to make changa with the wateronly-Tek and do some bioassays

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btw, olympus mon.. thank you really, really much for showing us your way of making changa :)
one year ago, you inspired me to make my first own changa.. have done a lot of mixes since then, and everyone is a little bit different to the other.. i love it :love:
 
Thanks Oly for the Changa masterclass :thumb_up: I would like to share a recipe I dreamed up that is proving to be marvellous both vaporised in the Herborizer and smoked.

~10g blue lotus was soaked and shaken in IPA for ~2 weeks. Same for lavender.

Resulting IPA filtered and evaporated onto 1g Mullein.

1g spice

~300mg caapi fb, ~200mg rue fb.

Couple of drops lavender towards end of evap.

Left to cure for a few weeks.
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Wonderful :love: Look forward to experimenting in future. Considering similar to the above, but with Jasmine instead of Lotus.
 
Hi folks !
Interesting thread so far.

After 8 years of changa research and consume i can say that i prefer mixes without harmala, blue lotus and mullein. And even would leave out the caapi this days . Somebody stated before that that is no changa, which just shows the close mindedness of some people. Who defines that kind of things an why should we get blinded by it ?
If you need to give it another name, but do not get trapped in conceptual matters.

It is fairly clear that MAO inhibitors are only necessary if DMT is consumed orally, as the monoaminooxidase in the blood does not breakdown DMT.
Even if the MAO inhibitors in commonly used plants are considered save , there has been cases of people having rather hefty experiences in combination with other substances in their bloodstream.
After 500+ changa experiences i can say that they have detrimental effects on the experience, they seem to create rather dark experiences and not very smooth journeys, plus they leave people tired and dazed, which is ok when you are smoking at night at home, but for social daytime consume its just annoying.
I recommend all of you to try infusing on chamomile , which greatly reduces the unpleasant coming up mentioned in the main post , and experience with plants like ginko biloba , gotu-kola and sinuichi. All of which enhance concentration , allow for a smooth and bright journey, and dont make you tired at all. To the contrary they let you remember better what you experienced and coming up, coming down and the allover experience are just smooth, and do not leave you dazed or half asleep .

What i've learned from the plants over the years is
keep it simple , use max 4-5 plants.
Use plants that have low alkaloid content and have little effect alone.
Smoke joints , and smoke them often , the true lessons we can learn from this plants don't come to you in a 15 minutes brain-wrecking roller-coaster ride , they come from the deepest areas of our mind after regular consume of smaller doses.
I consider high doses like going to a museum and look at fancy art, but regular small doses let your mind really work with the plant, and bring lasting change into your life.

Just my little input .
 
Thank you for the great post Olympus mon. Thank you for taking the time.

I am currently doing my first harmala extract and then would like to make and try my first changa.

I just have one question if anyone can help. When we are mixing the IPA/harmala/spice with the leaf of choice, do have the leaf all cut up into little pieces?


And is it possible to use a GVG for changa effectively?
 
ehud said:
Thank you for the great post Olympus mon. Thank you for taking the time.

I am currently doing my first harmala extract and then would like to make and try my first changa.

I just have one question if anyone can help. When we are mixing the IPA/harmala/spice with the leaf of choice, do have the leaf all cut up into little pieces?


And is it possible to use a GVG for changa effectively?
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Yeh chop it up. Not too fine though, you need some surface area .

Personally I don't bother with the GVG for changa..

Bong it or rizla it.

Its beautiful :)
 
What an excellent post! I have been exploring with freebase for the last year, but always intrigued for changa and have heard many great things. Just picked up some Caapi leaf and blue lotus and will be following the advice given here. Thank you!
 
ehud said:
Thank you for the great post Olympus mon. Thank you for taking the time.

I am currently doing my first harmala extract and then would like to make and try my first changa.

I just have one question if anyone can help. When we are mixing the IPA/harmala/spice with the leaf of choice, do have the leaf all cut up into little pieces?


And is it possible to use a GVG for changa effectively?
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I usually grind the herbs up pretty fine, with a bit of coarseness. No big chunks though.

For me, small 1ft tall glass bong, a small standing bubbler, or anymore - a good sized glass spoon bubbler.
 
Dizzy Druid said:
Hi folks !
Interesting thread so far.

After 8 years of changa research and consume i can say that i prefer mixes without harmala, blue lotus and mullein. And even would leave out the caapi this days . Somebody stated before that that is no changa, which just shows the close mindedness of some people. Who defines that kind of things an why should we get blinded by it ?
If you need to give it another name, but do not get trapped in conceptual matters.

It is fairly clear that MAO inhibitors are only necessary if DMT is consumed orally, as the monoaminooxidase in the blood does not breakdown DMT.
Even if the MAO inhibitors in commonly used plants are considered save , there has been cases of people having rather hefty experiences in combination with other substances in their bloodstream.
After 500+ changa experiences i can say that they have detrimental effects on the experience, they seem to create rather dark experiences and not very smooth journeys, plus they leave people tired and dazed, which is ok when you are smoking at night at home, but for social daytime consume its just annoying.
I recommend all of you to try infusing on chamomile , which greatly reduces the unpleasant coming up mentioned in the main post , and experience with plants like ginko biloba , gotu-kola and sinuichi. All of which enhance concentration , allow for a smooth and bright journey, and dont make you tired at all. To the contrary they let you remember better what you experienced and coming up, coming down and the allover experience are just smooth, and do not leave you dazed or half asleep .

What i've learned from the plants over the years is
keep it simple , use max 4-5 plants.
Use plants that have low alkaloid content and have little effect alone.
Smoke joints , and smoke them often , the true lessons we can learn from this plants don't come to you in a 15 minutes brain-wrecking roller-coaster ride , they come from the deepest areas of our mind after regular consume of smaller doses.
I consider high doses like going to a museum and look at fancy art, but regular small doses let your mind really work with the plant, and bring lasting change into your life.

Just my little input .
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Thanks Dizzy!

Pleased to say I'm getting some very good results...:thumb_up:
 
Dizzy Druid said:
...Somebody stated before that that is no changa, which just shows the close mindedness of some people. Who defines that kind of things an why should we get blinded by it ? If you need to give it another name, but do not get trapped in conceptual matters...
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I really appreciate greatly your endeavors to practice outside the box, but when that lends itself to be name re-calibrated, why not? For better mutual understanding (which is no narrow mindedness or trap IMHO) changa is best kept related to harmalas.

I like your post very much, and I sure gonna try some of your suggestions, so thank you for the add. :thumb_up:

Related:
Enhanced leaf vs changa.
 
Dizzy Druid said:
Hi folks !
Interesting thread so far.

After 8 years of changa research and consume i can say that i prefer mixes without harmala, blue lotus and mullein. And even would leave out the caapi this days . Somebody stated before that that is no changa, which just shows the close mindedness of some people. Who defines that kind of things an why should we get blinded by it ?
If you need to give it another name, but do not get trapped in conceptual matters.

It is fairly clear that MAO inhibitors are only necessary if DMT is consumed orally, as the monoaminooxidase in the blood does not breakdown DMT.
Even if the MAO inhibitors in commonly used plants are considered save , there has been cases of people having rather hefty experiences in combination with other substances in their bloodstream.
After 500+ changa experiences i can say that they have detrimental effects on the experience, they seem to create rather dark experiences and not very smooth journeys, plus they leave people tired and dazed, which is ok when you are smoking at night at home, but for social daytime consume its just annoying.
I recommend all of you to try infusing on chamomile , which greatly reduces the unpleasant coming up mentioned in the main post , and experience with plants like ginko biloba , gotu-kola and sinuichi. All of which enhance concentration , allow for a smooth and bright journey, and dont make you tired at all. To the contrary they let you remember better what you experienced and coming up, coming down and the allover experience are just smooth, and do not leave you dazed or half asleep .

What i've learned from the plants over the years is
keep it simple , use max 4-5 plants.
Use plants that have low alkaloid content and have little effect alone.
Smoke joints , and smoke them often , the true lessons we can learn from this plants don't come to you in a 15 minutes brain-wrecking roller-coaster ride , they come from the deepest areas of our mind after regular consume of smaller doses.
I consider high doses like going to a museum and look at fancy art, but regular small doses let your mind really work with the plant, and bring lasting change into your life.

Just my little input .
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Ayahuasca in smoke-able form , that's what the aim is for me.
It requires Caapi Harmalas and the vine itself to house the DMT/Harmalas.
I smoke sub break through joints every other day and it leaves me feeling renewed and peaceful and takes me deep within my mind.
Nothing beats that for me.
Each to their own I think :)
 
sorry but, re the OP: what is "a double boiler method"? I feel stupid -- no-one has asked yet.


thanks olympus mon for otherwise unique and completely thorough narrative.
 
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