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I have same problem, did you have found a solution?
fractals4life
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Do you start inhaling just before pressing the button? Otherwise you might get a moment of high enough temperature to burn some spice at first.
I don't remember that
I held a thermostat to the e mesh and it reached 180C* / 356F* after exactly 10 seconds and the modbox switched off automatically. Would it work like this or does the modbox have to reach 180C* after less than 10 seconds?
I have to practice smoking first can one inhaling for 10 seconds?
I have another question, I have melted some DMT on the mesh can I still smoke it in a week or does it somehow lose potency?
I held a thermostat to the e mesh and it reached 180C* / 356F* after exactly 10 seconds and the modbox switched off automatically. Would it work like this or does the modbox have to reach 180C* after less than 10 seconds?
I have to practice smoking first can one inhaling for 10 seconds?
I have another question, I have melted some DMT on the mesh can I still smoke it in a week or does it somehow lose potency?
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Set your emesh to 17w power standard mode, premelt by clicking fire button a few times (you can leave melted dmt on there for awhile ive left mine on for about a week before and was still fine) inhale softly before clicking fire button, then once toking very gently (like a reverse whisper) click fire button and continue to inhale the vapor at same toke rate. It doesn't take 10 seconds more like 5-6 seconds. By inhaling too fast you'll cool the mesh too much and won't clear the hit. By raising the wattage the hit will become more harsh but the experience becomes more intense. 17w has been found to be ideal on most mod boxes.
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I want to try DMT using direct e-mesh, but every time i try it it irritates/burns my throat so I can't inhale enough and hold it enough. What am I doing wrong?
I have no prior experience with DMT. I have tried crystals [[redacted by mod]] I extracted my self. Both with similar results, so I don't think there is problem with purity.
Here is how I use it: I have ss e-mesh, heat it so it glows to clean it up. Then I put 10 mg (I guess reasonable test dose) of DMT melt it. Set the temperature to 200 and try it.
I have no prior experience with DMT. I have tried crystals [[redacted by mod]] I extracted my self. Both with similar results, so I don't think there is problem with purity.
Here is how I use it: I have ss e-mesh, heat it so it glows to clean it up. Then I put 10 mg (I guess reasonable test dose) of DMT melt it. Set the temperature to 200 and try it.
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And regarding your issue - assuming your product is as clean as you say it is, I'd say perhaps your temperature isn't right, i.e. the measuring gauge might not be as accurate as needed and in fact heating up your mesh to more than 200. Also, is that Celsius or Fahrenheit?
And regarding your issue - assuming your product is as clean as you say it is, I'd say perhaps your temperature isn't right, i.e. the measuring gauge might not be as accurate as needed and in fact heating up your mesh to more than 200. Also, is that Celsius or Fahrenheit?
E-mesh is all about toke rate and temp. If you are inhaling too fast it'll cool off the mesh not allowing the spice to vaporize properly but if you are inhaling too slow or the mesh is too hot it will burn. You are definitely getting it too hot you don't want to see it glowing in a room with a light on. You want to see a soft faint glow in a room with the lights off.
Switch to power standard mode between 17w-20w seems to be the sweet spot for most mod boxes.
For temp control mode I wouldn't go above 175c
Sorry for that.
I mean 200 Celsius.
I will experiment with different power/temperature settings.
Oh, maybe is the problem that I press the button and start inhaling a (fraction of a) second later. I was thinking about temperature, but did not consider importance of steady air flow.
I start to see faint glow in dark room at 250 C setting.
I had it at 12 W and 200 C. So I will try start with lower temperature.
Just try switching it to power standard mode. You should be only getting a reading for the wattage in power standard mode. Temperature control mode is different and finicky for most mod boxes and emesh relies more on your toke rate than anything there doesn't need to be such meticulousity on temperature. Try finding the power mode or standard mode on your mod box. You should be able to rotate these settings with different clicks on your mod box. For some it will just be standard mode should just display wattage and no additional heating measurements or settings.
I apologize for bringing up the dark room trick that's a pretty loose way to measure your heat for emesh it's roughly going to be that but depending on the resistance and type of mesh used this could vary from emesh to emesh RDA. This is why it's best to try to find the power standard mode for your mod box or fixed wattage mode (standard) and work on your toke rate technique because people seem to have gotten lost in fixating on the temperature. Just make sure that whatever temperature is initially set isn't incinerating your DMT on the spot. Without inhaling on 17w and the RDA cover off I am able to vaporize and watch all the DMT vape and go up into a cloud leaving no residue. If your DMT isn't very pure then it should be very faint residue lines almost like you'd see similar to water marks left from cups on a table. If anything smells like burnt hair or is leaving anything black behind it is too hot.
Absolutely wonderful! There's no better vaporization method, is there?
I personally love the emesh 
Just thought I'd drop this here because I notice that the RDAs from wish can be a bit stubborn when it comes to removing the cover to get to the screen and can damage the rubber O rings. I found that using a small dabble of coconut oil rubbed around the bottom of the RDA cover works wonders to lubricate these up.
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Is this similiar to the e-mesh? Divine Crossing v5 Rebuildable Heater & iStick Pico Plus - Divine Tribe
VoyagerGrey
Esteemed member
So I've been experimenting with a DT V5 for about a year now... And I say experimenting because every time I think I have it figured out I come back for the next session, do the exact same thing, and something else doesn't work. Got into some really deep frustrations, feeling like I was chasing my own tail, like, this really shouldn't be this hard to figure out. Especially given that others have made good use of the device , Including people I have shared it with. I now think I have figured out why (hint- the box mod) but that's for another thread.
All this to say I had almost decided DMT desn't want to talk to me, after several experiences "successfully" inhaling full doses (25-45 mg) and not getting much more than some pleasant warm body sensations. I've litteraly been in tears over this. It's not just frustration with DMT, but because it mirrors other issues in my life that have recently come to the fore- projects I had invested heart and soul into, including lots of time and money, and had to abandon because they were becoming a drain on my mental and financial resources without producing any results. In a way I believe that DMT is teaching me an important life lesson here, on how to focus my efforts in order to accomplish things that are important to me.
Before giving up I decided to try an
e-mesh setup. I still am not in love with the idea of inhaling hot metal, which we are surely doing with these devices, but I wanted a known good baseline to comparey my xperience to, as the whole endeavor was really becoming an ordeal and a significant drain ony time and energy. I was even concerned that I had blown out the "DMT centre" in my brain, with all my experimenting, even though by standards of this community I wasn't really taking in huge amounts.
I bought a Wotofo Profile II and some vandy vape ss 150 mesh from AliExpress. I'm Glad I did. Took some experimentation to find the setup that works but I think I got it now. Will try again tonight...
Anyways, here is the setup:
The mesh is 2 cm long and reads 0.22ohm. I had to notch the corners to fit into the clamps on the deck, and I bent it into this M shape using a mini screwdriver, the handle for the center dip and the blade for the recurves. Then I was able to bend the sides upwards with flat tweezers to give it a bit of a cup shape.
Makes it a bit easier to load .
Then I found out that that the tops from my V5 fit the base perfectly .
Stock V5 cover:
And 14mm vortex glass top:
It's a water pipe attachment but makes a good tip on its own, and doesn't soak up heat as much as a metal cover.
So I never actually tried the top that comes with the Profile.... Wasn't crazy at all about how close my mouth was going to be to the hot mesh. I noticed most people use an extended drip tip. Haven't used the stock V5 cover either, as I really prefer to be able to see what's going on with the vapor, and the glass top gives a fully unobstructed view.
Long story short, this setup works. I was experimenting with settings, trying to get TCR mode to work, and it would just behave iratically, sometimes declaring "temperature reached" as soon as I fired the button despite clearly being too cold regardless of how high I had set the target temp, sometimes glowing cherry red even on the lowest setting. I kept tweaking the TCR number but every time I had it dialed in, next time I went to use it it would act differently. Sometimes removing and reinstalling the deck reset it, some times it made it go bananas.
I finally realized it wasn't about finding the right settings, it just wasn't behaving consistently. I'm not sure if there is a heat soak issue throwing off the mod but I actually suspect the mod I have - an iStick Pico+ doesn't manage the low resistance (~0.22ohm) very well, or maybe I have a faulty unit. Who knows. I now think that's the reason for the trouble Iv'e been having with the V5. I never suspected it, because it's the mod recommended by the V5's manufacturer, but after seeing how erratic the TCR was with the e mesh, I really suspect that's what was going on with the V5 where it's harder to detect as the ceramic crucible doesn't glow red... I would still like to be able to use TCR mode, and the V5 reliably, so I ordered an Aegis L200 today to see if it performs any better.
For the time being, I tried it in wattage mode- and BINGO. Settled on 16W.
I tried lower settings, and it seemed to work- vaporized cleanly, but just didn't hit. Some people are more sensitive, it seems, ive seen people using the same device and same spice I've been using, and they just inhale and "go" ...for me, it's been really picky. It really seems to be the case the case that cold vapor doesn't absorb. Also had terrible bitter taste and numb tounge, really uncomfortable way to enter a trip. Burnt spice is no better
...
16w for this setup is the point where the vapor starts getting a little harsh but manageable and doesn't seem to be burning spice.
Loaded and melted 35 mg, a few deep breaths, "here goes nothing..." Started inhaling slow and steady and then hit the button. Keep going at a steady rate till all the vapor is gone. .. lay down... Wondering why I am not feeling much, pondering whether I should give up my relationship with DMT... And then, I'm not sure how many seconds later, WOOSH- withoout much warning I was just ...THERE, on the other side of something. No geometry, no build up, no "oh reality is melting around me / fracturing into fractals"... I was just suddenly there. Another world opened up. I was so shocked I wasn't able to do much with it, but hopefully this is now a reliable method for me and I can finally start working on handling myself in the experience and exploring the DMT realms instead of f***ing around with changing settings and heaters.
Study of the V5 will continue, because I believe it has the potential to be an excellent device -it HAS worked in the past, just not consistently. Perhaps on wattage mode with the Pico, perhaps with the Aegis. But for now, it's the e-mesh to the rescue to start repairing my relationship with DMT and myself.
We're back baby, we're back.
All this to say I had almost decided DMT desn't want to talk to me, after several experiences "successfully" inhaling full doses (25-45 mg) and not getting much more than some pleasant warm body sensations. I've litteraly been in tears over this. It's not just frustration with DMT, but because it mirrors other issues in my life that have recently come to the fore- projects I had invested heart and soul into, including lots of time and money, and had to abandon because they were becoming a drain on my mental and financial resources without producing any results. In a way I believe that DMT is teaching me an important life lesson here, on how to focus my efforts in order to accomplish things that are important to me.
Before giving up I decided to try an
e-mesh setup. I still am not in love with the idea of inhaling hot metal, which we are surely doing with these devices, but I wanted a known good baseline to comparey my xperience to, as the whole endeavor was really becoming an ordeal and a significant drain ony time and energy. I was even concerned that I had blown out the "DMT centre" in my brain, with all my experimenting, even though by standards of this community I wasn't really taking in huge amounts.
I bought a Wotofo Profile II and some vandy vape ss 150 mesh from AliExpress. I'm Glad I did. Took some experimentation to find the setup that works but I think I got it now. Will try again tonight...
Anyways, here is the setup:
The mesh is 2 cm long and reads 0.22ohm. I had to notch the corners to fit into the clamps on the deck, and I bent it into this M shape using a mini screwdriver, the handle for the center dip and the blade for the recurves. Then I was able to bend the sides upwards with flat tweezers to give it a bit of a cup shape.
Makes it a bit easier to load .
Then I found out that that the tops from my V5 fit the base perfectly .
Stock V5 cover:
And 14mm vortex glass top:
It's a water pipe attachment but makes a good tip on its own, and doesn't soak up heat as much as a metal cover.
So I never actually tried the top that comes with the Profile.... Wasn't crazy at all about how close my mouth was going to be to the hot mesh. I noticed most people use an extended drip tip. Haven't used the stock V5 cover either, as I really prefer to be able to see what's going on with the vapor, and the glass top gives a fully unobstructed view.
Long story short, this setup works. I was experimenting with settings, trying to get TCR mode to work, and it would just behave iratically, sometimes declaring "temperature reached" as soon as I fired the button despite clearly being too cold regardless of how high I had set the target temp, sometimes glowing cherry red even on the lowest setting. I kept tweaking the TCR number but every time I had it dialed in, next time I went to use it it would act differently. Sometimes removing and reinstalling the deck reset it, some times it made it go bananas.
I finally realized it wasn't about finding the right settings, it just wasn't behaving consistently. I'm not sure if there is a heat soak issue throwing off the mod but I actually suspect the mod I have - an iStick Pico+ doesn't manage the low resistance (~0.22ohm) very well, or maybe I have a faulty unit. Who knows. I now think that's the reason for the trouble Iv'e been having with the V5. I never suspected it, because it's the mod recommended by the V5's manufacturer, but after seeing how erratic the TCR was with the e mesh, I really suspect that's what was going on with the V5 where it's harder to detect as the ceramic crucible doesn't glow red... I would still like to be able to use TCR mode, and the V5 reliably, so I ordered an Aegis L200 today to see if it performs any better.
For the time being, I tried it in wattage mode- and BINGO. Settled on 16W.
I tried lower settings, and it seemed to work- vaporized cleanly, but just didn't hit. Some people are more sensitive, it seems, ive seen people using the same device and same spice I've been using, and they just inhale and "go" ...for me, it's been really picky. It really seems to be the case the case that cold vapor doesn't absorb. Also had terrible bitter taste and numb tounge, really uncomfortable way to enter a trip. Burnt spice is no better
...16w for this setup is the point where the vapor starts getting a little harsh but manageable and doesn't seem to be burning spice.
Loaded and melted 35 mg, a few deep breaths, "here goes nothing..." Started inhaling slow and steady and then hit the button. Keep going at a steady rate till all the vapor is gone. .. lay down... Wondering why I am not feeling much, pondering whether I should give up my relationship with DMT... And then, I'm not sure how many seconds later, WOOSH- withoout much warning I was just ...THERE, on the other side of something. No geometry, no build up, no "oh reality is melting around me / fracturing into fractals"... I was just suddenly there. Another world opened up. I was so shocked I wasn't able to do much with it, but hopefully this is now a reliable method for me and I can finally start working on handling myself in the experience and exploring the DMT realms instead of f***ing around with changing settings and heaters.
Study of the V5 will continue, because I believe it has the potential to be an excellent device -it HAS worked in the past, just not consistently. Perhaps on wattage mode with the Pico, perhaps with the Aegis. But for now, it's the e-mesh to the rescue to start repairing my relationship with DMT and myself.
We're back baby, we're back.
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VoyagerGrey
Esteemed member
This confirms my experience re: cold vapor. If a device can't keep up i.e. stay hot enough with the influx of cold air, you can vaporize and inhale a lot of DMT , but it doesn't absorb readily into the body.
Geek77
Esteemed member
Hello all.
I am very grateful for your time and for your advices. Thank you.
I am a total newbie at this. Scared shitless but I see the point. I want to be part of this world. It's decided.
I smoked changa twice in a way that I can say I have seen things and participated in things, but I have never had a breakthrough. Smoked a few more times but small doses, because alone and because, you know.
So from what I understand, emesh is THE WAY. (does not take off his helmet*)
I have ordered Mesh Pro RDA clones from Wish and Aliexpress just to be sure. My hands don't grow out of my ass, so I will definitely dismount and retouch the contacts to have perfect shape and contact surface, I will treat the o-rings as needed, that's all good (If they don't bust on me when I open it for the first time).
It's the choice of the MOD itself that I need your help with.
I have seen the list on this forum, it's a bit outdated, models referred there are so old they are impossible to find online.
DMT is super rare and super expensive here, so I don't have a kilo just to get the hang of the watts/suction/airflow ratios. I would rather buy a more appropriate mod than making a cheap one work. Also, I want it to be newbie-friendly for possible trips for friends. I mean, a gram of DMT is more expensive than ANY mod here.
I need a temperature controlled mod, one that will never fail to break through. BTW, is this true, is TC a better method than just heating at 17W or so?
From what I understand, Geekvape is the truly hyperspace-ready material.
So these are the models I have access to:
Geekvape Aegis Legend 3 200W
Geekvape Aegis Touch T200
Geekvape Aegis Legend 3 200W
Geek Vape Aegis Legend 2 L200
Geek Vape Aegis Legend 2 L200 Classic
Geekvape Aegis Solo 3 (100W)
Geek Vape Aegis Solo 2 S100
Are any of these good?
If yes, then which is the best choice for me?
If no, then what should I be looking for?
Thank you. I mean it. I value your intentions and your honesty.
I am very grateful for your time and for your advices. Thank you.
I am a total newbie at this. Scared shitless but I see the point. I want to be part of this world. It's decided.
I smoked changa twice in a way that I can say I have seen things and participated in things, but I have never had a breakthrough. Smoked a few more times but small doses, because alone and because, you know.
So from what I understand, emesh is THE WAY. (does not take off his helmet*)
I have ordered Mesh Pro RDA clones from Wish and Aliexpress just to be sure. My hands don't grow out of my ass, so I will definitely dismount and retouch the contacts to have perfect shape and contact surface, I will treat the o-rings as needed, that's all good (If they don't bust on me when I open it for the first time).
It's the choice of the MOD itself that I need your help with.
I have seen the list on this forum, it's a bit outdated, models referred there are so old they are impossible to find online.
DMT is super rare and super expensive here, so I don't have a kilo just to get the hang of the watts/suction/airflow ratios. I would rather buy a more appropriate mod than making a cheap one work. Also, I want it to be newbie-friendly for possible trips for friends. I mean, a gram of DMT is more expensive than ANY mod here.
I need a temperature controlled mod, one that will never fail to break through. BTW, is this true, is TC a better method than just heating at 17W or so?
From what I understand, Geekvape is the truly hyperspace-ready material.
So these are the models I have access to:
Geekvape Aegis Legend 3 200W
Geekvape Aegis Touch T200
Geekvape Aegis Legend 3 200W
Geek Vape Aegis Legend 2 L200
Geek Vape Aegis Legend 2 L200 Classic
Geekvape Aegis Solo 3 (100W)
Geek Vape Aegis Solo 2 S100
Are any of these good?
If yes, then which is the best choice for me?
If no, then what should I be looking for?
Thank you. I mean it. I value your intentions and your honesty.
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