The Inka came from the temple walls. short report.

[olympus mon]

Just wanted to write this interesting one down. Ill keep it short as thats the only trip reports I can read.
This was the first changa session at the Inka temples by our small community here outside of Cusco. It was a full moon and the sky was awesome. Big lit up fluffy clouds. We picked a nice area in the temple of the moon ruins and sat down to take a min and clear our thoughts and quite our minds.

On my first launch the dmt seemed to come slow and feel like a dud. It all had my standard un mistaable DMT effects. Fracataly patterns and a science fiction vibe going on Ive become use to. It kind of occured to me that I didnt feel any connection with the ruins. As if i may have well just been indoors near a cozy fire rather than here.

My girl launched and layed back as I prepared for number 2. I hit the pipe even harder and more times then it began. The stone walls of the temple began to sort of give off a golden glow and while I was staring at one large rock morph going deeper into hyperspace it occured to me that in my periphreal vision there were a dozen Inka men in ceremonial garb looking at me. The began to come out of the walls of the ruins and stood before me. One figure seemed to telepathicaly communicate with me but it was hard to hear. This was sub breakthrough contact.

They seemded confused at the substance I used to enter this other reality as if they didnt fully understand what it was but it did seem familiar. They kind of gave me a WTF look. It felt as if 2 things were being told to me. Either I should use oral dmt like ayahausca for better longer contact or one Inkan seemed to tell me I would have to build a relationship between the Ruins, them and Changa to go further as well as I should plan on dedicating the entire night to the ruins not just a couple hours.

I finished the remaing changa in the pipe and enjoyed the night as we came down and set off back to the house sharing our experiences with eachother.

It was an interesting first journey here.

Gracias for such amazing Changa IH,

 

[Global]

That's awesome oly. I'm really envious of your journeys at the sacred sites. I have so many Egyptian visions, I would kill to smoke DMT in a pyramid.

 

[jamie]

Interesting..I dont think the Inca used ayahuasca(even though its a Quecha word) or DMT at all..well I think maybe they did but there is no actauly documentation of it's use by them. The inca were not known to use any psychedelics I think other than anadenanthera..huachuma was used heavily in the andes but I think thats more the chavin, moche and maybe nazca peoples..

I always got a heavy inca or at least andean vibe when working with anadenanthera colobrina..that would be interesting to work with in Inca temples if it was not for all the sickness. Id probly go for snuffed or oral DMT, or huachuma..

Nice report Oly

 

[SmoovPnCali]

Wow, AWESOME set and setting Olympus Mon!

What an incredible place to journey! Thanks for sharing!

 

[Bill Cipher]

Crazy cool. I'm envious as per usual.

 

[Felnik]

love it !

 

[SKA]

Interesting..I dont think the Inca used ayahuasca(even though its a Quecha word) or DMT at all..well I think maybe they did but there is no actauly documentation of it's use by them. The inca were not known to use any psychedelics I think other than anadenanthera..huachuma was used heavily in the andes but I think thats more the chavin, moche and maybe nazca peoples..

I always got a heavy inca or at least andean vibe when working with anadenanthera colobrina..that would be interesting to work with in Inca temples if it was not for all the sickness. Id probly go for snuffed or oral DMT, or huachuma..

Nice report Oly

Actually if I remember correctly, I read somewhere that the Inka did use Ayahuasca, but
ingested this as enemas. Can't be absolutely sure if I remember that correctly though.
And I also recall reading A.Peregrina seeds were found at ancient Inka burial sites,
but this could also have been burial sites from another southern american culture.
I clearly remember Yopo seeds having been found there, as well as Yopo snuffs & Snuff boxes.
They were said to be abt. 5000 years old and still contained decent amounts of NN,DMT & 5-HO-DMT.


You'll have to dig into this to be sure though.


However Peru, homeland of the Inka's, is know to have a significant Ayahuasquero culture
that still lives on today. Peru has both Huachuma shamans(In the Andes) and Ayahuasca shamans(In the rainforrest-rich east of Peru)
So who knows how far back this Peruvian Ayahuasca tradition goes... Perhaps all the way back to the Inka.




Amazing experience, Olympusmon.
I too have felt that straight NN through a pipe is an unbalanced experience,
a bad, overpowered connection to the other world. The addition of Caapi is really
needed to slow that NN-roar down to a trickle, a reverie. I smoked good changa once
and this became immediately evident to me. It was SOOO much slower, softer, more gentle
& more Maternal compaired to straight NN. Changa seemed a much more mercifull, patient teacher. Ayahasca and Changa have this same spirit. A grandmother-like spirit.

However straigh NN, because it is so ruthless & impatient a teacher, is an excellent
Ego-Smasher, in proper doses a true Ego-cide. This can be handy for a quick correction,
a quick attack on the ego to crush it up, which may at times be nececairy when you catch your Ego on having become monstrous and too influential over your life. NN is the teacher that scares you straight & disciplines you firmly to face your shadow.

I guess both these spirits have their use. Depending on the situation.

 

[Mz.Gypzy]

Awesome report!
Do you have any plans or desires to use again in the temples?
If so, will you try to build a better relationship like requested? Maybe by taking Aya or oral. Or by spending more time there, maybe having your own small ceremony or something?
(Minus the human sacrifices) :shock:

Its so interesting that the ancient Inkas came to you. Funny how they were a bit confused as to how you got to their space.
"Like WTF is he smoking and how do we get some?":lol:

It does feel at times like it is a futuristic/ancient technology of sorts.


I would very interested to hear more about this if you do decide to go back there and go deeper.

Thanks for sharing!

 

[anrchy]

Awesome. I enjoyed your report. This strengthens my want to finally make some changa soon as well. Thank you

 

[olympus mon]

Thanks all for the support and encouragment.

Yes Im absolutely going to spend many hours in the future respectfully journeying within and amongst the plenty of Inka ruins in hills near our house. I found an Inka cave about 20 mn hike up the hillside. it has a 3 ft deep carved huge fire pit and the roof of the cave has a natural chimney hole in the rock. Around the fire enough space for 2 or 3 sleeping bags. There were fresh ashes so I asked a local resident of our small community if was ok if we spent the night which he said was fine.

I plan on spending the day cleaning up the cave as there is a lot of litter strewn about from sight seers mostly soda bottles and candy wrappers and haul up some dry firewood around sunset.

I really need a bong. The pipe Im using seems to be wasting the changa. I know how strong this changa is and I am having to take way too many hits and still cant see a breakthrough being practical. I got close last night at home in front of the cozy fire but no cigar and I was freaking puffin TUFF! Something is a miss.

I bought a hand carved pipe out of bone pipe when i got here just for changa but the hits are so hot and harsh Im not feeling like I can not get a breakthrough hit in and hold it.

Ill make something since bongs here are a rip o0ff.

 

[jamie]

Interesting..I dont think the Inca used ayahuasca(even though its a Quecha word) or DMT at all..well I think maybe they did but there is no actauly documentation of it's use by them. The inca were not known to use any psychedelics I think other than anadenanthera..huachuma was used heavily in the andes but I think thats more the chavin, moche and maybe nazca peoples..

I always got a heavy inca or at least andean vibe when working with anadenanthera colobrina..that would be interesting to work with in Inca temples if it was not for all the sickness. Id probly go for snuffed or oral DMT, or huachuma..

Nice report Oly

Actually if I remember correctly, I read somewhere that the Inka did use Ayahuasca, but
ingested this as enemas. Can't be absolutely sure if I remember that correctly though.
And I also recall reading A.Peregrina seeds were found at ancient Inka burial sites,
but this could also have been burial sites from another southern american culture.
I clearly remember Yopo seeds having been found there, as well as Yopo snuffs & Snuff boxes.
They were said to be abt. 5000 years old and still contained decent amounts of NN,DMT & 5-HO-DMT.

There is no documentation of the Inca having used ayahuasca..this topic is far too complicated to get into here atm, but trust me I have looked into it. There is a myth perpetuated that the Inca were ayahuasca drinkers..mostly this is just people who dont really understand how complex the Quecha language is, or where it's various dialects origionate. "Ayahausca" is a quecha term, which is why people try to link it to the Inka..the Inka speak Quecha..but if you research deeper you find that "ayahuasca" comes from an amazonian dialect of quecha..

There is also no evidence of the Inka having ever used San pedro.

The Inca used chicha..an anadananthera(and thats colubrina I think, not perigrina that the Inca used) containing beer, as well as a snuff from the seeds. I think harmine was isolated from the hair of some inca corpses but that does not necessarily idicate banisteriopsis use..

I think often people just assume it's all Inca(andean cultures etc)..the San pedro people were the chavine, mochica and it is suspected of the Nazca culture as well(though little is known of the Nazca). Many people I think assume all those cultures are "Inca". In reality there is so Inca left..the Inca was a ruling class and they died out(there are people that claim to be "Inca" but w/e). All the real impressive sites are not Inca in origion..Puma Punku, lots of stuff around Cusco, Lake Titicaca etc..not Inca in origion. All those sites you see with temples with carvings of the Jaguars holding huachuma columns etc..thats not Inca.

Anyway sorry Oly for going way far off topic.

 

[jamie]

Oly how far is Cuscoa from Lake titicaca? I had a really intense dream about some stuff that was under that lake once..this sounds insane but I never knew of "lake titicaca"(at least that I could remember) until I had this dream..and after I searched it on google and found all this stuff..which started my obsession with researching the whole area. Anyway the Lake Titicaca area looks like a really interesting place to hang out and eat plants..

 

[nen888]

Oly how far is Cuscoa from Lake titicaca? I had a really intense dream about some stuff that was under that lake once..this sounds insane but I never knew of "lake titicaca"(at least that I could remember) until I had this dream..and after I searched it on google and found all this stuff..which started my obsession with researching the whole area. Anyway the Lake Titicaca area looks like a really interesting place to hang out and eat plants..

..yeah groovy jamie! ..i met two ayahuasqueros from Cuscos last year who told me they represented the pre-Incan Quetchua traditions..traditions which the Inca had interfered with (before the Spanish had a go)..yeah deep place for sure..!

and thanks for another good read olympus mon..