The Morals of Hyperspace

[Speck]

I'm hoping a few folks can comment on their experiences with the overall moral character of the entities/intelligence of hyperspace. I realize the answer is probably more complicated than good/evil. From what I've read it seems that people have had a wide variety of experiences/encounters and reported on great kindness as well as more sinister presences. Has anyone come away with the feeling that true danger lurks out there? Has anyone come to the conclusion that our well-being is regarded by the entities we meet? Occasionally I'll read a post where the member reports that they are done with Hyperspace forever or at least for a while - wondering if they've reached an experience that they feel could have been harmful and they don't want to push it.

I have had a bit of a mixed bag over the course of about 20 experiences. One in particular involved an entity that seemed to bore into me, clouding everything else from my presence, asking "Is this what you wanted??" over and over until it felt like the phrase was being repeated thousands of times per second in my head. I had to bail out of the trip it was so overwhelming. I have also encountered a giant swimming female presence (gotta love hyperspace) that seemed to just emanate feelings of love and compassion.

I'd love to hear your thoughts.

 

[Felnik]

I think the greatest danger is what we choose to believe
About what we experience in regards to hyperspace.

 

[OneStepBeyond]

If you believe that the various entities in hyperspace are real beings with their own thoughts and motivations, I'd probably assume that, much like the beings in the "real" world, there might be some that are a little inconsiderate and annoying, some that are actively hostile and a certain percentage that are what you would call evil. The majority of them though, would be basically decent.

If you believe that the beings are a some sort of projection of your own subconscious, they will probably tend to reflect whatever you put out, and/or they might be whatever you're expecting them to be.

What I want to know is, how do you go about bailing out of a trip?

 

[HazyGamer]

Your drilling entity that repeated "is this what you wanted" makes me laugh. I've had many experiences where they are fucking with me especially if I had intention for the trip. I remember one experience where I had meditated beforehand saying give me all ya got! Lol and they brought me to godhead giggling the whole time. The entities are mischievous by nature but those are the ones that will bring u the most knowledge. I have also been with an all loving mother entity that let off pure joy. I have had few malevolent tips, however they are as enlightening as the enjoyable ones. You get what your state is in, hyperspace is heavily dependent on your feeling/imagination leading me to believe that feeling/imagination is their plane of existence, ie adding to our 3rd dimension to become the 4th dimension.

 

[Speck]

For me, bailing out of a DMT-induced trip involves opening my eyes and getting up and moving around (frantically). I still have kaleidoscope vision at that point, but focusing my eyes on objects that are in our world brings me back to our version of reality much quicker and seems to break the link with the hyperspace entity. (I've only felt the need to do this once)

Truth be told, what spooked me the most about this incident was that when I opened my eyes it looked for a moment like the entity was in the room with me and it felt like he had crossed over to our world somehow. This faded pretty quickly, and McKenna has mentioned a similar experience of opening his eyes mid-trip and having hyperspace invade his bedroom for a few moments.

It does make me feel better to hear you say that entities have fucked with you too, Gamer. In most of my trips til this point, whatever entities I had encountered seemed to regard me in a zen-like hands-off manner. Only in my last three trips did they start to interact with me in a weird, taunting-like way, culminating in the experience I described above.

Oddly enough I slept like a champion for about 4 weeks after this experience.

 

[VoidTJ]

I'm really not sure what to think of the "entities".
I swear they seem real but I try to swear off anything that seems nutty.
Though I'm not sure 100% what to think of them I can share one of my last experiences.

I've been a long time drinker/opiate user/smoker/etc.

I'd been trying to get back into tryptamine space to honestly learn (vs my past "getting high") and it started off kind of good.

One day before blasting off I announced to it that I wanted the truth of what it was - real or imagination.

Instead of being taken to the normal crystaline colored scape, I was instead brought to a dark room with a wooden table that had some sort of creepy doll looking thing rolling around the floor. Sitting at the table was a gray gentleman (no, not the bulbous aliens) with short grayish-blackish hair what appeared to be most of a suit except he did not have on the jacket, online a striped undershirt.

One thing to keep in mind is that at this point in my life, I'd realize I've been on a path to killing myself unintentionally and had been trying to lay off of alcohol and had successfully gotten my $100-200/day opiate habit down to a "once or twice a month when I can't take it anymore" habit.

Anyway, he essentially asked me if I was sure that I was really ready to learn. I told him yes, looking up at him from the floor (which I seemed to be laying on).

As soon as I said yes he made this snarling face and says "HERE, I WILL SHOT YOU" and proceeded to draw 3 sets of V's in the air that appeared like energetic lines. These lines shot down into me and even in my physical self I could feel immense pressure and pain. He proceeded to tell me that he was upset I was so ignorantly asking to learn essentially the ultimate truth but could not appreciate this body/moment I have been given. He told me that at the rate I was going, I'd have heart attack in 282 days (pretty specific right ..). The rest of the experience was essentially him staring down at me while I fought to get my physical body up out of bed (which I could not do) until the experience dissipated.

So from there I swore I would stop drinking during the week. Not gonna lie, I love beer but a little too much.

About a couple weeks later I had decided to eat some quite potent (I mean this truly) Golden Teacher shrooms that eh had been grown VERY locally so to say. This experience me and my fiance both ate two grams. She wound up off in lala land blasting through tunnels unable to get a grip while much to my surprise, I felt the same chaotic energy from when I 'visited' that 'room' on DMT.

I wound up visiting the same exact space. This shows to me that mushrooms and DMT can definitely bring you into the same zone but that's a story for another post. By this point I had decided that I did NOT want to 'trip' anymore because I was fearful that they guy was going to get violent again.

Instead of saying anything or touching me in any form, he stared at me for a while looking like he was trying to decide if I was telling the truth (to myself) about taking better care of my body. I told him I wholly meant it and with that, he got up from the table and walked away.

As he walked away, the room/space disappeared and I immediately quit tripping. This was hardly 20 minutes into the experience which sort of dumbfounds me considering I have never had a mushroom trip that short.

So as to his moral - the experiences had quite an "evil" feeling but at the same time were clearly for my benefit.

Much like another said though, if you believe these beings are indeed real, then one must assume there is no general moral such as we humans all behave differently.

I also believe much if it is left up to your interpretation of the events that take place.

 

[null24]

Fascinating post, void. Entity discussion aside, i sincerely hope you get a grip on your self destructive activities. While i did not quit immediately, in fact it took a good year to detox, my initiation into the DMT space gave me similar concerns for my own life. It set me on a path to wholeness and healing too . There's no magic cure ,especially for opiate addiction , but what I've gotten out of a few twenty minute DMT sessions is far more than years of psychotherapy and pharmacology. Good luck, friend, this path has answers, you just have to find them.

On the entity matter, I was in a hyperspace doctors office one time with a tall, alien/grey looking dude in a lab coat pointing at a display with a long wand that showed my scarred and blackened lungs, from smoking, and told me a similar thing. Did i quit? No, i did not, and now, two years later I'm in very bad shape and in a position where if i want to live, i will. I really don't think i had visited some extra dimensional general practitioner, besides, it's hard enough navigating my hmo in this reality. I do think it's very obvious to me that my cigarette habit is the most physically detrimental activity i engage in, and i constructed this strange environment in my mind as a way for my sub conscious mind to point it out to my conscious mindin a graphic fashion.

That's not to say something very, very special isn't going on with DMT. This is a laser beam to penetrate the depths of the human mind, a key to unlock the potential within, a flashlight to scare away the shadows that occult the truth. We must navigate the waters DMT sets us upon with the highest degrees of reason, guiding ourselves with the principles of critical thinking, to responsibly use these tools to avoid falling into the pit of belief. It shows us such incredible realms that shine brilliantly in a light of truth that in an attempt to comprehend often unfathomable concepts some people can grasp onto belief systems that help them do so, even though there is no factual reality within which they are based. This can retard the cognitive liberty struggle as a whole since all of us are a refection of it and starry eyed, mystical ranting reflects poorly.


Idk about the external reality of entities ,i don't cast a vote in this debate, however i lean towards them being thought constructs. I frankly have a hard time believing aliens from a highly advanced civilisation would have any concern whatsoever with a bunch of monkeys, so why would higher dimensional beings give a crap what i do to my body? I mean i get the whole 'I'm an external reflection of the creator ' thing, my body is it's temple, etc, but free will, man, free will. There's another meat suit to take the place of this one, and if all my consciousness is from the non dying spark of life, it will be poured into one of them to go again.

I mean, yeah, if there are objective higher dimensional beings we are intersecting with, why would they perform altruistic actions based upon our human concepts of good and bad. The divine realm is impersonal, dispassionate. On a spiritual level, i feel that the manifestation of consciousness and intelligence is the divinity trying to understand itself through it's creation. Imbuing part of it-the physical human body - with these qualities allows it to reflect with reason and emotion upon itself. Or that too, may be a anthrocentric view

Eh, whatever the hell they are, it is a fascinating look into the depths of the human mind

 

[HazyGamer]

Hey speck If they get to be too taunting/familiar with u stopping for a while is recommended. I was seemingly getting to familiar with the entities and dmt in particular that shit got slippery for a while if u know what I mean. Sometimes it's not good to overload your hardwear. But u seem to be a great track so keep it up and we'd like to her more stories.

Great stories your two, kind creepy. Dmt is an amazing drug for self analysis especially for troubled or stressed people. I myself have used this chemical technology to help shape up my life and understand that everything is not about me. It penetrates deep through innerspace finding any fault. Though null I believe that this is just one aspect of dmt.

"We are all just conduits of energy" Nicolas Tessla. These yogis, shamans, and some scientists are what I would call fully realized. They "know" of this next plane, and they can navigate through it on the natch. Im not speaking of magic, aliens and fairies in the normal sense. This other world is a construct of imagination and these entities are just passed on energy and mind. It is an actual "physical" world of energy totally scientifically understandable/measurable we just don't have the technology as of yet. In 50-100 years we may be acended properly once enough research has gone into learning of the mind, quantum computation and spectrographic equipment.

I'm going to bring it one step crazier and say that everything is happening in the now, all of history is happening right now so this other world is not just the passed on energies of our current time but the energies of all time before and after. this higher dimension is our future plane of existence. The further u go the closer u get to singularity in which all of our energy has combined again into one being of existence. So try not to take to much dmt if u don't wanna break haha

 

[Speck]

I think you're right about stopping for a while Speck - whatever it was that waits on the other side seemed less fascinated to see me as time went on. And whatever intent I had begun with I had lost after quite a few sessions within a few months - I was so blown away by what I was seeing that I just wanted to see more. Time off has allowed me to sort of reset my intentions and gain a lot of humility:

As to what we're seeing - that is a very tough call obviously - it's hard for me to believe that these are just images in my head - they are so interactive and seem to carry their own personality - it's just very hard for me to believe my brain just comes up with this scale of complexity on its own.

And as to why entities might be interested in us - the one idea that I feel pretty confident in after everything I've absorbed in this life is that something created this reality for a purpose. Perhaps we as physical beings represent a key component in some other entity's plan, whether they want us to become like them over time, or they want to learn about another kind of relationship with reality through our experiences, or it could even be that our bodies are incubators for souls of pure energy that will join them after we die. Whatever the case, I just can't get around the idea that this world was created for a reason. All the physical laws fit together too well - life, that most mysterious of all forces, is too well supported by the elements found simply on this one planet of trillions that we know are out there, and the most compelling part - it gets more complex over time. I can only imagine a lot of work went into crafting this universe, and maybe those on the outside are, in fact, extremely engaged in what sorts of complexity grow out of this experiment. As far as we know we'll never know the answer, but boy has DMT somehow forced me to sit up and at least consider the possibilities