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Ordo Ab Chao

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Evenin' folks,

I've been reading this forum regularly for the last few weeks since I first found out about DMT. I wanted to thank the people who created this website, and the people who contribute to it, for providing an invaluable source of practical information and genuinely helpful advice mixed with a good dose of humour. Admittedly I have never tried DMT, never come across it in real-life and have only ever spoken to one person who claims to have smoked it once although, through my own research into this particular tryptamine, I have come to doubt the veracity of his claim since none of his descriptions bear even the slightest resemblance to the various 'common' elements of a DMT experience.

I've joined this site as someone who, until recently, had never even heard of DMT - I've had experience with various chemicals over the years but I won't bore you with the details, suffice to say that I come here with an open mind and no pretensions. I'm a healthy, psychologically stable and rational person. I've learned a great deal already and will continue to do so thanks to the information available on this forum.

So why DMT?

As I said, I've had experience with numerous substances over the years but I had never encountered DMT.....so why does the description of hyperspace, entities and the overall atmosphere strike a chord within me?

Why is it that I feel what I can only describe as a sense of 'missing' this dimension and the entities therein? As nonsensical (and quite possibly insane!) as it may sound, I feel like I've been there before. As I said, I can't fully explain this and I'm very skeptical since it's only my own interpretation of my subjective experience and could just as easily be a figment of my imagination. My only problem with dismissing it as imagination is the strength of the emotions I feel when I think about it. There's a very real and definite sense of wanting to 'return' to this space but I constantly wield Occam's Razor and stick by old Uncle Al Crowley's advice about attributing objectivity to such things.

I read a trip report from a lady who claimed that the entities of hyperspace told her how they contact us when we're children but we loose the ability to communicate with them as we grow up. As a child I had numerous 'encounters' with entities whose appareance (not physical but certainly manifest in this world), in retrospect, bore a startling resemblance to those described in hyperspace. Another odd similarity was how these 'friends' (as I called them) showed me the inner workings of things like cameras and taught me about things that I would not have been able to learn alone at that age. My mother confirmed that I did have what was considered to be an imaginary friend when I was very young, she also said that I would tell her information that I couldn't possibly have known such as the configuration of the hospital room I was born in, from the colour of the curtains to which way the bed was facing (there are no photographs of this room anywhere although this image is still fairly clear in my mind even now at 29 years old). These entities would appear outside the window in the night and beckon me to play with them again, they would pop up over the top of the door too! I'm sure that there was an element of childhood imagination at play and I don't claim that it was anything to do with the entities of hyperspace but I think it's an interesting avenue of thought to explore.

I know a lot of what I've stated above is open to criticism and I can't prove or disprove any element of it. I make no apologies, I just thought that the information was relevant to the discussion of my interest in DMT.

Anyhow, I've rambled on enough.....I look forward to participating on the site and making my own spice in the upcoming year but this site will definitely be my first point of contact for any advice and help from fellow travellers.

All the best and good luck with everything!

O.A.C.
 
Welcome!

I feel that child imaginary friends and hyperspace are very different phenomenons, but in any case they are both very interesting!

I understand what you mean of this 'missing' feeling.. It could be a mixture of things, though, like an existential hole that we always try to fill up, or also simply an inherent characteristic of being alive, because nothing is ever 'complete' but always changing..

This also reminds me a bit one of the feelings I had a few times regarding dmt, that it seems somehow connected to the 'realm of the dead/souls', a sort of like primordial hyperspace soup of beings. So its as if it was the place where we came from and where we return to, and hence the sense of 'already knowing it'. This is all of course more philosophical speculation but interesting to ponder about.. In any case gotta keep an open mind and not close to only one model or explanation. After all, thats the sense I have from dmt experience, that there is a Deep Mistery behind reality, beyond any explanation.
 
Ordo Ab Chao said:
Why is it that I feel what I can only describe as a sense of 'missing' this dimension and the entities therein? As nonsensical (and quite possibly insane!) as it may sound, I feel like I've been there before. As I said, I can't fully explain this and I'm very skeptical since it's only my own interpretation of my subjective experience and could just as easily be a figment of my imagination. My only problem with dismissing it as imagination is the strength of the emotions I feel when I think about it. There's a very real and definite sense of wanting to 'return' to this space but I constantly wield Occam's Razor and stick by old Uncle Al Crowley's advice about attributing objectivity to such things.


Welcome to the Nexus Ordo Ab Chao,

Your quote resonated with me, except my timing was a tad different. I got the full hit of what you are feeling the very first time I took a significant hit (about 10-15 mg) of DMT. It was quite surprising and unexpected to a "rational skeptic" such as myself.

endlessness' quote touches nicely on the same feelings:

endlessness said:
This also reminds me a bit one of the feelings I had a few times regarding dmt, that it seems somehow connected to the 'realm of the dead/souls', a sort of like primordial hyperspace soup of beings. So its as if it was the place where we came from and where we return to, and hence the sense of 'already knowing it'.


Again, a hearty welcome! I believe you have come to the right place. However things unfold for you, you will find kindrid souls here.

Peace & Love,
Pandora
 
Welcome New Guy,

I hope you find what you are looking for. My journey has been an exciting one. My reasons are my own as yours are yours. Seek knowledge and it will find you.

Chaos
 
Thank you to everyone who's made me feel welcome already! It's reassuring to know that people here maintain that sense of objectivity concerning models of reality.

I'm also glad that my suggestions regarding my own experiences haven't been taken literally and that people understand that it's purely speculation (particularly since I have no experience of DMT and can't make any comparison). This is one of the main reasons I joined up, the comfort of knowing that an outlandish theory can be voiced and discussed without fear of having to repeatedly state that it's just a theory! Ha!

I was particularly interested in what Endlessness had to say about the "realm of the dead/souls", especially having read about how Tibetan monks pointed out the similarities with the first Bardo and hyperspace.

Anyhow, thanks again for your welcome and I look forward to talking more with you all in future!

O.A.C.
 
Orbo, what you where saying about the entities when you where a child, im with you buddy.. i get what you mean.

Do you feel like you may know all this before this life? or something. i DO

The only reason we cant connect qith them anymore is because we dont beleive..

Do this now..trust me

say to yourself "i believe" concentrate on it

Ask a question? you will actually tell yourself the answer..but you will think nah.. its cause i told myself the answer it couldnt be true, what do i know?, but it wasen't you who told you the answer.. it was someone else.

When you a child you listen to yourself more, you dont analyse your thoughts. IF they are "your" thoughts.
 
TheMysteDOM said:
Orbo, what you where saying about the entities when you where a child, im with you buddy.. i get what you mean.

Do you feel like you may know all this before this life? or something. i DO

The only reason we cant connect qith them anymore is because we dont beleive..

Do this now..trust me

say to yourself "i believe" concentrate on it

Ask a question? you will actually tell yourself the answer..but you will think nah.. its cause i told myself the answer it couldnt be true, what do i know?, but it wasen't you who told you the answer.. it was someone else.

When you a child you listen to yourself more, you dont analyse your thoughts. IF they are "your" thoughts.

Thanks for your feedback mate, it's well appreciated. I only consider the 'entity = imaginary friend' idea as one possible map of the experience in light of what I've learned so far about DMT.

As for what you said about knowing things before this life, I understand where you're coming from. I've been experimenting with different states of consciousness through different methods from a variety of yogic practices and ritual magick to auto-hypnosis and psychedelics since I was about 11 years old (not the psychedelics, obviously!) and have had what you could consider to be past-life recollections. I can't say that I subscribe to the idea completely though since it could very well all have been imagination but, as with the entity idea, it's something interesting to think about.

Once I manage to produce DMT I'll be able to experience it and objectively compare it to the ideas I've spoken about already. Until then, it's all just speculation.

Your thought exercise made me think about something I'd read from Robert Anton Wilson years ago, a similar exercise involving visualising some kind of super computer from the future which can be asked questions on any subject and provide an answer. It's fun to try and certainly helped me address some issues I've had from the past by providing different viewpoints that I wouldn't have been able to access with my conscious mind alone. Who knows....

Thanks again to everyone for your words and support,

Big love to you all!
 
man, this is something that I can confirm to myself that is true.

Did you never have the feeling as a child that there was something more to what you see, that there is something you know and something adults don't? I don't know if this is the case but I do also remember when I was younger this feeling being made stronger when dreaming and once, I woke up ( I was in Colombia at the time and must have had 8 years) and I immediately woke up with a sense of foreboding and something not 'not quite right' but something being there, a presence that I knew was there but when I wanted to grasp it IMMEDIATELY dissapeared.

DMT, of course seeps into the brain when one is dreaming. When I was a child my dreams were much more pronounced, clearer and even regular. Would this imply a greater concentration of DMT in children than in adults? Would this maybe answer your question?

I don't know, it seems the more questions we answer, the more questions pop up.
 
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