The Omniverse

[Yengu]

I originally wanted to post this in the actualy Nexus, but due to my recent membership i see that is not possible.

I have been browsing this forum quite a lot for the past few days, and the common question arises:

Is this DMT trip real?
And then we can get into all kinds of discussions about what is real, and whether hyperspace are just the waters of one's dreams, etc.

But not gonna get into that now. Anyways, I am a scientifically minded person, so bear that in mind.


I have never met Dimitri personally, however, from what I have read I reckon it could be real.

This is mind bending for me, but its very relevant, and you understand what I mean more.

(also watch part 2)

The Omniverse.

I strongly recommend you watch those videos, the second is more interesting, but doesnt make sense if you havent seen the first.
Anyways, in case you havent, the omniverse is the highest order of dimension.

If you consider dimensions as different possibilities for "things" to exist in, the omniverse contains every single possibility. All 10 dimensions. Our universe is just one of these possibilities. Different universes within the omniverse may have completely different laws, different speed of light, basic variations in mechanisms in quantum physics, etc. There is an infinite number of these. As many are extremely similar as are completely alien to each other. Numbers and ratios are meaningless in infinity though. So let us not dwell on this.

Now then. Unlikely is undefined in the omniverse. If it is possible, no matter how unlikely it will exist. However, arbirtrary convention of what is possible is determined by Relativity. We consider something impossible when it is so extremely unlikely we can discard it (See where I am heading?). For example, my hand cannot pass through a table. It is impossible. However, there is a small chance, a tiny unimaginably minuscule possibility that all the electrons and nucleons in my hand will have vibrated exactly oppositely to all those particles in the table. Thus, my hand would pass straight through, or maybe pass halfway through and then get stuck.
So this is just to illustrate the difference, or unity between impossible and unlikely, and therefore, within the omniverse, the unity between possible and impossible.

SO what if one of these alternate layers of reality has such laws as experienced during a DMT breakthrough into hyperspace? It is often called a gateway, it seems hyperreal. Could it not be? What if Dimitri actually, physically (though the term physical is paradoxical when regarding alternate layers of reality which do not necessarily have spatial dimensions) brings your consciousness into another reality?

What if different people go into different layers of reality? I have yet to meet Dimitri, but being scientifically minded as I said before, empirical knowledge and discernation of truth is what motivates me.



Please, share your thoughts with me.

 

[Dimitrius]

I read what you wrote. But I'm tired and I have only a few thoughts left to sputter out before I hit the hay.

 

[Yengu]

I read what you wrote. But I'm tired and I have only a few thoughts left to sputter out before I hit the hay.

Fair enough.

 

[Bonny]

To be frank, hypothesising upon the spices role in removing our consciousness from this plane of reality to another, is not something you can really be taken seriously upon until you have experienced it for yourself. If for nothing else then words truly cannot describe what you are feeling, and are but a vague attempt at reconstructing it afterwards.

I'm beginning to subscribe to the 'mind at large' theory, originally proposed by Huxley I believe, but I've read/heard it regularly from other sources. That is to say all our consciousnesses are taken from a group collective, which we are all linked together by but yet cannot distinguish or feel normally. Such is the survival mechanism of our genetic 'robot', to live in hyperspace 24/7 would be incredibly deleterious for an individual. So our brain essentially (and primarily) works as a filter, and the collection of tryptamines disrupt this filter to varying degrees.

DMT appears to pound you through that filter entirely, removing your consciousness from your corporeal form by way of trampling down every filter our brain has put up to block it.

By the same token, it could just as readily be 'just a drug' and is merely showing you your interpretation of what you want it to show.

Re: Vids. The 'imagining the 10th dimension' video is very good, although it now irks me when people say that in trips they regularly see in 4d... I don't know how many I can trust to mean they 'see' times passage (perhaps like the spheres in Donny Darko), most I imagine see in 270degree vision (which is definitely cool I'll admit).

 

[ragabr]

Agreed, hypothesizing about hyperspace until actually travelling there just makes non-sense.

Regarding higher dimensional objects, 4-D doesn't necessarily refer to time; confusing the two comes from the popularization of Relativity. For example of higher dimensional object that have nothing to do with time, check out the entry on hypercubes.

 

[Yengu]

i.e. Hyperspace is an alternate reality in which we also exist, but are not aware of?
Much like the flatlander would be unaware of the twists and turns in the moebius strip it is travelling across?

Why not hypothesize about it? It will be afew months before I have the opportunity to enter that realm, so I felt like putting forward my ideas. I was proposing that people who have in fact experienced it could discuss their thoughts on this "alternate reality" idea.

The fact that this is so subjective though makes it near impossible to really investigate empirically. Ah well, in a few months I'll discover it for myself.


And regarding this "mind at large" theory. Would you say then, that a human brain is simply capable of taking a part of this consciousness to what seems like "individuality"? Brain damage which affects consciousness would in effect just be damaging the brain;s ability to tap in from this collective consciousness. Is that the idea behind it?

 

[endlessness]

its fun to have these ideas and I understand your excitement and desire to talk about these things with people who have had these experiences... But then you have to also see from the perspective of people in this forum. Just take a day and dig through the philosophy/spirituality/science subforum and you'll see how many threads have been devoted to these kind of questions

One thing you might also soon notice is that the dmt experience is so absurd and mind-boggling, that it often induces a sort of humbleness in people that prevents them from really believing in any specific model for that experience, because its beyond any explanation. The mistery of hyperspace and existence can never be put out.

So experience for yourself soon.. and welcome to the forum

 

[1664]

I loved the videos, and one day I hope that we as a more evolved species can make sense of the DMT experience. I like the ideas you put forward - they sit well with me and I would love for them to be true. I can't make any sense of what happens to me in hyperspace. It does feel real though, and it does feel like "impossible" things actually happen.

As endlessness says though, the DMT experience is absurd. On the comedown from my last journey I spent a few minutes rolling with laughter in disbelief at the absurdity of what just happened to me.

Absolute incredulity and profound bewilderment of the highest order.

I don't think I will ever attempt to describe a DMT trip, and I am never sure how others can. Cool vids though, and thanks for sharing! Let us know how you get on when you go for it!!

 

[ragabr]

thank you, endlessness - put it much better than I had.

 

[Yengu]

I loved the videos, and one day I hope that we as a more evolved species can make sense of the DMT experience. I like the ideas you put forward - they sit well with me and I would love for them to be true. I can't make any sense of what happens to me in hyperspace. It does feel real though, and it does feel like "impossible" things actually happen.

As endlessness says though, the DMT experience is absurd. On the comedown from my last journey I spent a few minutes rolling with laughter in disbelief at the absurdity of what just happened to me.

Absolute incredulity and profound bewilderment of the highest order.

I don't think I will ever attempt to describe a DMT trip, and I am never sure how others can. Cool vids though, and thanks for sharing! Let us know how you get on when you go for it!!

I find it crazy to think that another world is out there. Thanks for your input, glad you liked the videos.

And yeah, I will come back to this theory once I have a firsthand experience.

 

[vovin]

Agreed, hypothesizing about hyperspace until actually travelling there just makes non-sense.

I respectfully disagree. It has some value in enabling you to see the mentality shift afterward. One could research and read reports on the trip try to attain a view of it and write that in detail. Then take the experience himself and record that as well. Then comparing the two he or she can see how the trip fundamentally altered his view. I guess you could say it would be a good test of the imagination to see how close you could get to something that you have not experienced. In doing so you would have a reference to keep in your mind so when you are approached by other things you have not had direct experience with you will remember how far off you were on this. So it would assist you in being more open minded.

 

[Yengu]

Agreed, hypothesizing about hyperspace until actually travelling there just makes non-sense.

I respectfully disagree. It has some value in enabling you to see the mentality shift afterward. One could research and read reports on the trip try to attain a view of it and write that in detail. Then take the experience himself and record that as well. Then comparing the two he or she can see how the trip fundamentally altered his view. I guess you could say it would be a good test of the imagination to see how close you could get to something that you have not experienced. In doing so you would have a reference to keep in your mind so when you are approached by other things you have not had direct experience with you will remember how far off you were on this. So it would assist you in being more open minded.

However if the DMT experience really is that fuelled by the mind, such a thorough investigation prior to a visit to hyperspace may "taint" the experience.

But 2 months is a lot of time, so until then I will be researching this. Additionally, I possess a copy of "DMT - THe spirit molecule" which I plan on reading prior to the trip.