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I have a theory based on my recent studies of my mind on Salvia that explains more or less every strange detail of the Salvia trips.

Assumption: The Universe is a fractal.

Theory:

The daily (default) consciousness covers a part of the Universe. On Mushrooms or Pharma, the consciousness covers a larger part of it. On a Salvia trip, the consciousness covers a subset of the fractal.

Note that the subset doesn’t mean the consciousness loses clarity. Neither does it mean it gets limited. We are not talking about alcohol.

It means the area of focus changes somehow like this:

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The theory explains a lot of my personal experiences and experiences I read on the Internet.

On Salvia, one often ends up in a world similar to one’s childhood while not being their childhood. It’s because childhood was generated by consciousness based on the set of the fractal it covers. Salvia brings one back to that subset like a magnifier. That’s why the clarity doesn’t suffer. More like the opposite of it happens. A childhood-like world is generated with more vivid details.

Mushrooms and Pharma expand the consciousness to a larger subset of the fractal and provide one with God-related experiences.

The Salvia experience feels "home" or "the real world" because it’s based on a subset of the fractal that has always been part of the consciousness. The Mushroom/Pharma experience reveals a less known, less often experienced part of the fractal hence it seems alien, mystical, unearthly.

The "part of the Fabric of the Universe", "lack of control/free will", "karma-world" feelings of the Salvia experience origin from the fact that the consciousness zooms to a subset of the fractal compared to the daily life. Zooming out with Mushrooms or Pharma grants one more illusion of freedom.

Note: it’s possible to use Salvia and end up outside the set the daily conscious level experiences and visit an alien world or another planet. It’s also possible to have a bit salvia-like experience on Mushrooms. Although these are less common.
 
Another great post and thank for the graphic! Pictures help the slow ones like me. What a beautiful way of putting it all.

This is a really interesting idea. I have to agree with most of it. I have had many of those childhood experiences. Although not always, sometime they are unknown places. Perhaps only unknown to my conscious?

Any idea what a type of 'black hole' that always is present in my salvia trips could represent? I cant escape it, sometimes it just watches from a distance. Sometimes its right there pulling everything in...

Anyway you could expand on the alcohol part causing lack of clarity? In which way? On it's own or in conjunction with a psychedelic? So many questions but I dont want hijack your thread, nothing like explaining the unexplainable.
 
waitfornever said:
Another great post and thank for the graphic! Pictures help the slow ones like me. What a beautiful way of putting it all.

This is a really interesting idea. I have to agree with most of it. I have had many of those childhood experiences. Although not always, sometime they are unknown places. Perhaps only unknown to my conscious?

Any idea what a type of 'black hole' that always is present in my salvia trips could represent? I cant escape it, sometimes it just watches from a distance. Sometimes its right there pulling everything in...

Anyway you could expand on the alcohol part causing lack of clarity? In which way? On it's own or in conjunction with a psychedelic? So many questions but I dont want hijack your thread, nothing like explaining the unexplainable.
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You don’t hijack at all. I’m so glad for your questions. Where to start. Let me start with the bad part.

The only substance that ever made me standing in the bathroom, looking into my eyes in the mirror, and asking myself: "Why? Why? Why?", was the alcohol.

The only substance that has ever put me on the ground in my own vomit, was also alcohol.

The only substance that has ever made me say, "Sorry, I was out of my mind, I was under the influence of ..." was alcohol.

(No matter how crazy things I said on my mushroom trips once or twice, I took responsibility for them.)
 
If someone is wondering, what else I would drop from the list, I can tell. But let me underline they were a hundred times smaller issue than alcohol, caffeine, and nicotine. They are not in the same league.

I would skip Rush, N2O, Cocaine, Ephedrine, Nutmeg. Also, 5-MeO had no effect on me.
 
Back to the topic, Salvia.

A few days ago, I tried to fine-tune the dosage to understand more of the experience. The result was amazing.

Several times, I was aware of coming back from that reality to this reality. I wasn’t aware I smoked Salvia but I knew I was shifting realities.

Where the other reality disappeared, there was a trace of it in the air, my body, and the wall.

It was like a zip-lock closed the other world. The gateway became a line in the air (and my body). Then, it became a spot.

In this spot, there was a distortion in the wall. No matter how long I was staring at it, it stayed there. The rest of the world looked normal.

The same way, I could feel it in my body where the other world was locked away.

I was almost sure that as soon as I move my eye, the anomaly on the wall will disappear. The same way, I knew it that as soon as I move my body, the physical reminder of the other world will disappear.

But if I don’t move my eyes, and don’t move my body, I can see it, and feel it.

And that’s exactly what happened. As soon as I moved my eye, the anomaly on the wall disappeared. As soon as I moved my back or leg, the remainder of the other world’s gravity disappeared.

They disappeared only when I moved. They disappeared in an instant, and they didn’t come back.

I did it multiple times: Salvia => Reality shift => Observing the traces of the other reality => Losing its traces by moving.

It needs a rock-solid dosage and administration process to explore these details.
 
Anonymous2 said:
On a Salvia trip, the consciousness covers a subset of the fractal.
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Maybe being pulled into said subset could explain the initial famous/infamous "salvia pull" feeling?


Anonymous2 said:
A few days ago, I tried to fine-tune the dosage to understand more of the experience. The result was amazing.
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How did you "fine-tune" your salvia dose? I find this very hard when smoking material. You are very right there, the tiniest salvia dosage change can greatly alter the experience. Quite possibly one of the most varied pyschoactive plants in terms of dosage.


Anonymous2 said:
Several times, I was aware of coming back from that reality to this reality. I wasn’t aware I smoked Salvia but I knew I was shifting realities.
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Do you find any difference with eyes open vs closed?


Anonymous2 said:
It was like a zip-lock closed the other world. The gateway became a line in the air (and my body). Then, it became a spot.
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This description sounds almost like my highest dose with the exception of me being aware, haha. Some squiggly line (many lines) all feeding into a dense single point. It felt, and still does, like a door or "gateway".


Anonymous2 said:
The only substance that has ever put me on the ground in my own vomit, was also alcohol.

The only substance that has ever made me say, "Sorry, I was out of my mind, I was under the influence of ..." was alcohol.
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So do you believe that issue with alcohol is more the combination of you+alcohol or the alcohol alone? I hear and see so much bad from alcohol, but I've never been effected that way. Its effects seem so varied based on the person, very fascinating.

I do know what that experience is like of saying: why? why? why? But never alcohol, just cocaine.

Lastly, I noticed mescaline is missing from your list. I would like to hear where and how you see/feel it.
 
Hello waitfornever,

indeed, it explains the pull-feeling. It also explains the karma-world, part of the Fabric of the Universe, there is no free will feelings.

You enter a subset of your consciousness, which is, let’s say, claustrophobic to your normal state of mind. And you know it in one hundred percent. You realize there is no freedom.

On the mushrooms, you explore the hidden part of you. It seems you become more. Even though, they have been always there.

Earlier, I smoked my 30x extract with a small glass pipe I bought in the Netherlands on the shopping day when I bought everything. I used it for weed and Salvia. It was uncomfortable with both as I inhaled the dust and even unsmoked plant parts too. I used a microfiber cloth to filter the smoke but sometimes I used it wrong.

A few days ago, I ordered a bong. It’s great but I think I will not use it for Salvia. I had the feeling that some of the substance got lost in the water. That’s why I sent back to the glass pipe even if it’s uncomfortable.

I measured it with the eye. Since it’s an extract, it comes in large slivers (shivers?). You can even count them if you want.

I think I’ve never done Salvia with close eyes. It’s strange. I didn’t even think about it although I spend a lot of times with my eyes closed on Mushrooms, and I’ve never vaped DMT with open eyes.

But Salvia is like:

"Nothing... Nothing... Didn’t work... Now I feel it in my face... OMG I’m home. Fuck. This is the real world... How could I forget it? Seriously, it will disappear? Like this, under my leg? I need to tell someone this world isn't the real one!"

I will give it a chance with closed eyes.
 
When I take a higher dose, the main difference is the missing "OMG I’m home. Fuck. This is the real world..." part. It’s because I don’t remember being here in this world. Not at all. Then, I realize what happened only when I’m back here.
 
I've never thought of it but you are right, there is no freedom. Anything is possible but only within that set of rules. It's going to be interesting smoking salvia with this in mind.

As for dosage, even when counting single pieces of extract or weighing, it is still hard to dose accurately. How much flame? How close? How long an inhale? How deep? Very touchy and they all seem to impact the experience.

Anonymous2 said:
I think I’ve never done Salvia with close eyes. It’s strange. I didn’t even think about it although I spend a lot of times with my eyes closed on Mushrooms, and I’ve never vaped DMT with open eyes.
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If you do it would be interesting to hear. Especially that initial pull, it seems a little gentler like this.

You probably have, but if not you might want to check out:

The Salvia divinorum User's Guide

You can find it at sage wisdom.
 
Edit: I got tired of the negative post I received in another thread. I don’t want to share my trip experiences at a place where such a thing is common, even if there are many wonderful people here to talk to.
 
My experience on salvia on the few times I tried it was me being transported to this jungle and I could feel its humidity. (or could've been the cold sweats that salvia gives me) Either way each time I've taken it I was on my bed, the jungle environment would take over, and because I was lying down I felt as though I was on a huge city building rooftop with my head over the edge of the building. The experience was rather uncomfortable and has made me not try it since. Although from what I read it sounds like it has potential for greater things. Maybe further attempts in the future.
 
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