The teasing character of DMT

[bhjkf]

Hello together,

I already had a lot of DMT experiences and smoked it on quite a regular basis for a while.

During my experiences I had contact with different entities without breaking completely through, since the entities came into my room or since I was in between the two worlds.

Apart from the entities I experience DMT as being somehow a conscious being with even having a certain character. Perhaps some people get what I mean.

However, DMT always has a pretty harsh character to me, which I experience in plenty different ways. It touches me physically to disturb me for example while smoking and laughs at me but not including me into the joke.
It sends intimidating entities to look at me while smoking or it knocks my door to insecure me. It plays with my fears and gets amused.
It doesnt feel terribly bad. One could say it is like a big brother teasing me and letting me know who is the boss. It definitely isnt empathic but neither intrinsically evil.

The consiousness also always reminds me how small and unknowing I am and that I dont mean anything to the universe. DMT is not really friendly but rather not interested in a small human being as me and just plays a little bit with me to entertain itself.

It always reminds me to smoke a little bit more if I want to know more. It indicates this for example by highlighting the pipe visually in a ridiculously colorful fashion every time I forget to go on smoking.

I would like to go deeper (as I did a long while ago), but I know that I will have to deliver myself to the DMT. I will have to give up the whole control and leave my world. The problem is, that I don't feel the love many people describe or some caring entities on the other side.

So how can I give the whole control to such a harsh consciousness of whose well tempered intentions I am not convinced?

Even the rare times DMT is lovely and charming with me after I ask for it to behave like this, it is with a twinkle in ints eye, and I worry that it is a trap, since I know its other sides.
Thus it doesnt matter anymore how DMT behaves, I stick with my doubts.

I would be greatly interested in people sharing similar experiences or some kind of advices.

I think that I do not abuse DMT and I maintain a respectful use, thus I don't need to hear that I should not smoke it, even though I appreciate the worries.


Kind regards

 

[bhjkf]

I would like to append that DMT also calls me from "over there" when I am sober since my period of nearly daily use half a year ago.

It greets me is like "Hey why havent you visited me/us for such a long time?" "Just come over!"

I feel its presence with kind of a new sense I developed and strengthened by DMT consumption. I can nearly feel it always but its clearer if I am on my own outside of the city.

I never really completely lose touch with the DMT world. The connection just gets waaay clearer by smoking DMT.


I know that this can be interpreted as a drug-induced psychosis or something like that. I feel in full control of my whole situation and am able to interpret my experiences from a "rational" medical point of view or by using my beliefs.

 

[downwardsfromzero]

You may get rewarded for boldness.

It's completely normal to feel apprehensive before taking DMT.


Are we ever ready to have our universe shattered? Perhaps the most important question is, is your baseline mind on a solid foundation?

 

[Tomtegubbe]

Taking harmalas beforehand can help a lot. The come up is smoother, so it doesn't feel like you are forcing yourself in. Building respect for the medicine will build up its respect towards you.

 

[bismillah]

I always experience the jester spirit when I smoke dmt. Sort of a teasing, "chaotic neutral" atmosphere of "you're in my world now, you stupid monkey". I have come to get comfortable with it, and can accept the blows to my persona. The last time I remember it happening: I was sitting in bed listening to Led Zeppelin and decided to smoke just to slowly get through the last of my fb stash (prefer not to smoke anymore). When I took it in I quickly found myself in a white space which was spherical, claustrophobic, constantly shifting, and covered in little red crosses. The crosses became the eyes of a million clowns who laughed at me. The white and red colour scheme seems common to all my "bad" trips, although I could relax and laugh along on this occasion. What did unsettle me is that this music I was enjoying was recorded when my dad was my age... something about that is terrifying.

I don't experience this on low doses—only when the dose is high enough to start unveiling another space beneath my eyelids. Haven't felt it on teas either but maybe I've never dosed high enough.

 

[Vangoghdream]

Join in with the humor of it all. You can play this game as long as you like! How much control do we really have in there? Best to just go with the flow! These games will pass as everything else does. Enjoy the games! Enjoy being challenged! Enjoy the interaction! Just don't buy into the story of it all. It is just another set of experiences that very well could hold information about yourself and how you react to reality. Lessons to be had around every corner, every jab, every teasing and every emotion that comes up.

I always found that I would remember more of how I felt emotionally after a trip. The rest would fall away like a dream. I can imagine the entities I have interacted with, but the form of it all, all the details of exactly what the entity looked like and the environment become a blurred and pieces of the experience seem to be missing for me to put a clear picture together. I would come down and think about my trip, knowing I was just interacting with something but it just would fade, like sand through your fingers. The emotional aspect always seemed to linger. Well.. at least I brought back something to look at.

When I feel scared about my experience, I think about the why of it all. Is this an irrational or rational fear? If I felt happy during an experience, I think about why. Why was I so happy? I have felt helpless and fearful of relentless jester energies. I think about why it bothers me. Why did I feel helpless? What can I do about these feelings? Can you compare your experiences with every day reality? Is it possible to look at your emotions, address them and now how a clearer understanding of what drives these emotions? How much control do you have over your emotions? Do they just come in forced? Can you change you emotion? If you show courage when fearful does it diminish the fear? Do your emotions drive your experience? You can make the choice in how you feel about these experiences. Integration can be difficult sometimes, it takes work.

I feel emotions and entities go hand in hand. I always had a feeling about entities more than a clear picture of how they looked or behaved, each coming in with a certain energy and a certain attitude. We can adjust as best we can and with practice transform how we react to our experiences.

 

[Voidmatrix]

I would like to append that DMT also calls me from "over there" when I am sober since my period of nearly daily use half a year ago.

It greets me is like "Hey why havent you visited me/us for such a long time?" "Just come over!"

I feel its presence with kind of a new sense I developed and strengthened by DMT consumption. I can nearly feel it always but its clearer if I am on my own outside of the city.

I never really completely lose touch with the DMT world. The connection just gets waaay clearer by smoking DMT.


I know that this can be interpreted as a drug-induced psychosis or something like that. I feel in full control of my whole situation and am able to interpret my experiences from a "rational" medical point of view or by using my beliefs.

Ha! Both posts are great. Resonating with me greatly.

DMT always has something new to show you.

It "calls" me also... and often. "Just come be with us," is the general message. They know they're fighting against my stubborness.

I have a few different perspectives with regards to DMT, and one of them revolves around the molecule possessing a mind as well as spaces and entities. It predicates its action off of us, our make-up/composition, innate response, beliefs, etc. It plays with that stuff to interact with us. The more one can leave those by the way-side, the more raw of form the DMT experience seems to manifest, ime.

It's not all sunshine, rainbows, and love...

Really, it may transcend those things and more, which makes it that much harder to pin down what we feel the intentions and motivations are of the DMT and entities it brings to us.

Practice surrendering, integrate when needed, and see everything you're experiencing as just part of your current path and necessary for a solid relationship with DMT.

I feel you, and feel for you

One love

 

[Jan e Kharabat]

I listen to music in a very OCD/ritualistic manner. So I had this entity who would tease me by fucking up my music. She would make it run backwards or change the pitch, jumble up different parts or just switch it to something completely different (yes... my own music was still being played but I couldn't hear it, the entity had put on something completely different). She would also switch back and forth between different music... something which I absolutely hate! But at the same time she was very playful, she would always laugh and would always stop before I got "seriously" annoyed. She kept appearing almost every time, we made friends... by the end, Whenever I saw her during onset, I'd be like "oh it's her again... she's gonna do that again..." and she'll be like "oh you mean that? (messing with my music) no I wouldn't do THAT (messing up the music again), I used to do THAT, but I think you have had enough of THAT (would continue to mess up my music)". Haven't seen her in a while, sort of miss her...

 

[null24]

I know that this can be interpreted as a drug-induced psychosis or something like that. I feel in full control of my whole situation and am able to interpret my experiences from a "rational" medical point of view or by using my beliefs.

We've seen our fair share of DIP over the last few weeks and this ain't it. No worries, friend.

It touches me physically to disturb me for example while smoking and laughs

Ha! That's a pretty good way to put it. They like to tickle my ear. There is some sort of teasing or testing nature to whatever is inside hyperspace, that is just part of what it is. Surrender and letting go, as banal and simple as it sounds is really the only course of action. Some grounding practices of course can help. Taking time to do some stretches and breathing first can really mitigate the pre-flight jitters. Also adding an MAOI really does slow down as much as it lengthens the experience. It can be much less overwhelming that way. There is tons of information here on how to extract harmalas and add them to your smoking mixture.

 

[murklan]

...Also adding an MAOI really does slow down as much as it lengthens the experience. It can be much less overwhelming that way. There is tons of information here on how to extract harmalas and add them to your smoking mixture.

I can just agree with this. I feel like they are a really good match, 'deepening' the experience into your body and your personal life so to say.

 

[PsilOutsider]

Apart from the entities I experience DMT as being somehow a conscious being with even having a certain character. Perhaps some people get what I mean.

Yup, since I met DMT I have always said it, both the "spirit" of DMT, as the physical molecule, seem to be alive, when I reheated it in a glass tube and it climbed the wall I went crazy.

However, DMT always has a pretty harsh character to me, which I experience in plenty different ways. It touches me physically to disturb me for example while smoking and laughs at me but not including me into the joke.
It sends intimidating entities to look at me while smoking or it knocks my door to insecure me. It plays with my fears and gets amused.
It doesnt feel terribly bad. One could say it is like a big brother teasing me and letting me know who is the boss. It definitely isnt empathic but neither intrinsically evil.

Again, same, I associate the spirit of the DMT a lot with my concept of a conscious god, and he is a bastard, and he knows it (we all have that playful side), it gives the impression that we are playing a game and we are his sims, you have never burned the house of your sims? He is very intelligent too, and he keeps ridiculing your logic, beliefs or sense of reality.

The problem is, that I don't feel the love many people describe or some caring entities on the other side.

Here I must say that I believe that we deal with other entities, although the spirit of the DMT may have, or seem to have a consciousness, it is also a key, a portal, look at it as an omniscient system that keeps a world within itself. I identify everything you have mentioned to a very specific entity, or a couple of them, but the rest of the experiences, more or less pleasant, depend on other entities that are completely on the other side.

Anyway, the information based on my experience that I can give you regarding mr. Dmt is: It is a bridge between your body (and mind, here I put the brain) and hyperspace, when taking it it makes symbiosis with you, it works with your head, can not add external elements, that concept of the bossy and annoying older brother I think that either it is a part of your more unconscious mind (remember that the unconscious rules + 90% of your life) manifesting, saying "go, bastard, I'm here to take care of you because you are not worth it yet, if you take my responsibility you collapse"

The answer in this case is, how are you with others? And with yourself? How would you act in a position of responsibility like this? Managing for example your own little brother, or a pet?

On the other hand, if we get more mystical, I have read in some places that dmt is a spirit of water, this makes a lot of sense since where there is water there is life, and where there is life there is usually DMT, the areas with more humidity of the planet are the areas where there is the highest concentration of DMT, even its rituals commonly revolve around water, it does not burn, it boils. Maybe a trip in a different place, in nature, near a water source, after a meditation or a declaration of intentions can help, in fact the entity that appears in nature in my experience, more than mr.mentalpunisher-dmt is mama nature.

PS: In my experiences I have felt this and other entities also touched me physically, sometimes in a very pleasant way, others in absurd and unpleasant ways, sometimes I think that I am a sadmasochist, but I think that the bad ones are something that can be reached to enjoy a lot too, once they have passed you are curious to return.


I think that in the end it is learning to play with yourself, without going overboard with yourself

Practice surrendering, integrate when needed, and see everything you're experiencing as just part of your current path and necessary for a solid relationship with DMT.

This is the key, really.

I hope I have helped you in something, and I trust that if you continue, you will evolve quickly in your relationship with the spice :3

 

[bhjkf]

Thank you all for your kind advices. I am glad to have this community.

I will have to see how to deal with the jester spirit. Knowing that other people experience similar things definitely will help me to not take it too personal.

Seems as if it is part of the DMT, and not that I am doing something terribly wrong or that it does not like me.

 

[highwire]

I'm showing up a few days late but, I would say that the character that DMT has displayed is extremely variable. I've experienced immense love, brutal truth, and the trickiest of vibes.

I see this trickster aspect of DMT as a manifestation of the divine trickster. The divine trickster can be found in many traditions... like Elegua/Exu in the Orixa traditions. He is a protector, magician, and jester.

From my perspective, reality is also partially a divine illusion. I believe this trickster energy plays a role in the manifestation of reality, consciousness, and our immersion in it.

So, I trust it. But it takes a lot faith, and perhaps an ability to see how the divine trickster plays out in my own psyche.

Humility and an open mind are key for when I encounter this aspect of the experience. If I can go in with that, I usually find that surrender can follow naturally.

 

[bhjkf]

Thank you for the attachment.

I recently felt to make a lot of progress after considering the advices of the thread.

The key to get comfortable with it was for me to realize that it is not really against me. Even though it is teasing me and laughing at me, it is never excluding me of the joke nor inviting me. It was up to me to take the initiative to join in and laugh about myself. To not take myself too serious, but rather as the "silly little monkey" I am.

Since then I actually was able to kind of enjoy the tricks and jokes. The bad, aggressive vibes turned into something funny and playful, even though not easy to go with.

Thus, one more lesson learned on my long way to go.