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The unpleasant truth about DMT
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Hi mate,
C'mon you have a serious complex of superiority.. Like other said it's funny to have sudden enlightenment and then it's gone^^ Ah ah
Also with other drug (dxm) my brain went to 10xxxx speed, that was cool but temporary^^ And usefull only for me.
Well, you're on a public forum, come on tell us what makes you think that ? You did you achieve to think that you can understand things this way ?
Be nice you could be surprised =)
C'mon you have a serious complex of superiority.. Like other said it's funny to have sudden enlightenment and then it's gone^^ Ah ah
Also with other drug (dxm) my brain went to 10xxxx speed, that was cool but temporary^^ And usefull only for me.
Well, you're on a public forum, come on tell us what makes you think that ? You did you achieve to think that you can understand things this way ?
Be nice you could be surprised =)
Since Anataraxas can't seem to follow our rules after having been given enough chances, your account is being temporarily suspended. You can take some months off to rethink and read our attitude page before deciding next year if you want to come back.
Thanks everybody else in the thread for keeping calm and trying to discuss things rationally despite his attitude.
Thanks everybody else in the thread for keeping calm and trying to discuss things rationally despite his attitude.
I think this is a good observation :thumb_up: Some entheogens facilitate being-in-the-moment deeper than deep.dragonrider said:
There is a substantial chance of mixing up feelings between not-asking-questions-anymore (aka being in the moment) with not-having-questions-anymore (aka knowing everything).
can only be Cypher in his blissful matrix stateAnataraxas said:
I'm certain I'm wrong.
OP is right, and makes a good example to prove their point. Self aggrandizement, receiving special knowledge, leading to a confrontational and superior attitude, all the things that are cautioned against by some more experienced psychedelic users.
Many of us have been there, friend, although those who made it forward realized that those feelings were flirtations with psychosis.
Maybe if your feelings extend beyond your skin, you'll get somewhere. Good luck.
If this thread is an experiment in F-ing the ineffable, it's a success. :thumb_up: :thumb_dow
Many of us have been there, friend, although those who made it forward realized that those feelings were flirtations with psychosis.
Maybe if your feelings extend beyond your skin, you'll get somewhere. Good luck.
If this thread is an experiment in F-ing the ineffable, it's a success. :thumb_up: :thumb_dow
I'm going to play Devil's Advocate:
Let's suppose that everything you feel and believe is correct in regards to some level of experience you are having when doing spice. Let's also suppose that you are one of those that has gone the "farthest." All hypothetical here. I'm building these suppositions as generalizations from statements you've made. Let's suppose that your numbers about who it is and isn't for is correct (mind you, numbers are symbols of specificity in situations of quantifiability)...
So what?
If you're so Enlightened, why specify it to be so?
Quite possibly, you've had an experience that has caused you to project something about yourself onto the rest of the world?
This site has so many different forum topics and posters, as well as higher echelon members with a great deal of experience... search the site, reach out to people through their inbox.
You may find who you're looking for.
Otherwise...
You just look kind of juvenile :/
I hope you're able to figure things out. Truly
One Love
Let's suppose that everything you feel and believe is correct in regards to some level of experience you are having when doing spice. Let's also suppose that you are one of those that has gone the "farthest." All hypothetical here. I'm building these suppositions as generalizations from statements you've made. Let's suppose that your numbers about who it is and isn't for is correct (mind you, numbers are symbols of specificity in situations of quantifiability)...
So what?
If you're so Enlightened, why specify it to be so?
Quite possibly, you've had an experience that has caused you to project something about yourself onto the rest of the world?
This site has so many different forum topics and posters, as well as higher echelon members with a great deal of experience... search the site, reach out to people through their inbox.
You may find who you're looking for.
Otherwise...
You just look kind of juvenile :/
I hope you're able to figure things out. Truly
One Love
blue.magic
Esteemed member
Anataraxas said:
Some poeple call this a "smoking pot fallacy", i.e. you would never understand until you saw what I saw and this supports my claim.
No and no.
Oh by the way, how could you even assess experiences other people in the forum?
If you can't provide anything to back up your claims then there is no point in you posting them in the first place, right?
I would close with Hitchens: "What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence"
Beetjehyper
Rising Star
On ayahuasca i had a similar Experience! It took me as far as you can go in hyperspace, I had the feeling that i could see through everything and knew everything and i did! I felt the world, feel pain people had, knew how problems came and how to solve them. I had a hard time integrating It into my life. I had the feeling being on the highest step on the stairway. i think Anataraxas is still on the stairway. Feeling he is the enlightened one.
I had that feeling, and it didn't feel good for me. Who am i to have a feeling that i am higher in level then an other being. Nobody is higher then the next one.
So i went back to mother ayahuasca and see showed me that it isn't a stairway. It's a flat map. We are all in different places. Not higher or lower just different places. And all that i know was for me. It didn't comply for other people, as they are not at the same place on the map as me.
Hope that u can see this Anataraxas and make u drop back on the map:thumb_up:
I had that feeling, and it didn't feel good for me. Who am i to have a feeling that i am higher in level then an other being. Nobody is higher then the next one.
So i went back to mother ayahuasca and see showed me that it isn't a stairway. It's a flat map. We are all in different places. Not higher or lower just different places. And all that i know was for me. It didn't comply for other people, as they are not at the same place on the map as me.
Hope that u can see this Anataraxas and make u drop back on the map:thumb_up:
I had unmistakeably true insights that got "binned" as time goes by, calling them iterations now.
Embracing the contradicting experiences has led me to relative any experience or it's message in particular. To me, it's a mere dynamic place mostly where truth and solution and imagination is painted with freely.
All besides ego misusing, interesting is the intense feeling of (all) knowing, or enlightenment, this feeling can be sooo strong that any demand to prove it seems preposterous, as if that feeling is proof in and of itself and done with.
Perhaps what we had was the emotion of knowing, but without the knowing itself? If you get a big box with chocolates you get all the emotions going with that, but the box might be as well empty. Can truth come as an impressive empty package? Maybe that is why we "loose" the content as we come back, because there was never any, it was only advertised to be there in mega neon power. <-- launching a supposition/thought exercise.
Only murmuring a bit...
I've no compass on this running
Embracing the contradicting experiences has led me to relative any experience or it's message in particular. To me, it's a mere dynamic place mostly where truth and solution and imagination is painted with freely.
All besides ego misusing, interesting is the intense feeling of (all) knowing, or enlightenment, this feeling can be sooo strong that any demand to prove it seems preposterous, as if that feeling is proof in and of itself and done with.
Perhaps what we had was the emotion of knowing, but without the knowing itself? If you get a big box with chocolates you get all the emotions going with that, but the box might be as well empty. Can truth come as an impressive empty package? Maybe that is why we "loose" the content as we come back, because there was never any, it was only advertised to be there in mega neon power. <-- launching a supposition/thought exercise.
Only murmuring a bit...
I've no compass on this running
Love appears
Rising Star
It was a great relief when God realized that he was a maggot, among the other maggots.
That chocolate box metaphor feels quite tingling... Check the box, and rest is hmm.. hrmm.. mm.. mmmm.. Ya think ya gonna get something from this?
That chocolate box metaphor feels quite tingling... Check the box, and rest is hmm.. hrmm.. mm.. mmmm.. Ya think ya gonna get something from this?
Asher7
Professional Tracker
lol, it gets even better when you take mid trip notes so when you get back to baseline you can be both the enlightened soul that can’t find the words AND the confused listener who has no idea what you’re talking about.Jees said:Needs 4 posts to say nothing actually
Been there done that myself, I understand completely
Let's be honest, he falls into his own category of people who will never understand, for to be able to understand something implies that you can actually impart some of what you understand to others, and he cannot.
WE get it, you're pointing to the Sun, but you don't know the word "Sun" yet. You'll get there. I am so sorry for you bro. You seem to be multilingual but unable to communicate with everyone. Maybe the Jesters can help you
:d
WE get it, you're pointing to the Sun, but you don't know the word "Sun" yet. You'll get there. I am so sorry for you bro. You seem to be multilingual but unable to communicate with everyone. Maybe the Jesters can help you
:d
Johnsonptd
Rising Star
I too often get stuck in that state of mind where I think I know something. And I will defend what I believe is right about this idea or concept that I “know.” What does it mean to know something? Just because I can put a few letters together and call it a “dog” does that mean I know the dog? What I’ve learned is that by letting go of my mental tendency to label or define objects, people, thoughts, things... I’m reconnecting with the flow of life, that ever present now. Is that a person in that picture? Or is it a static symbol of the image of them reflected back into a lense? The same thing can be said about thoughts and words.. they are static and unchanging, whereas in my experience the walls are breathing. thoughts of hot peppers and lemons make my mouth water.
And the heart muscle is a continuously beating organ that never stops...relatively speaking.
Important in my daily life is the practice of stillness, of being centered in my mind and body, and allowing feelings, thoughts and beliefs about everything to be as they are without reacting to them. It helps me reconnect with the space that says it is not I who speaks but I who witnesses me speaking, thinking, doing. Dmt, among others, can help you learn to do this. To develop an awareness around thought and emotion, and realize maybe that guy pulled out in front of me because he didn’t see me, or he’s a new driver, or he really DGAF. Either way I don’t have to take it personally
An important mantra I heard in a song really brings me out of that place of knowing, back to a place of wonder and curiosity.
“We don’t see the world the way the world is, we actually see the world the way we are.” Humbling myself and saying I could be wrong about this or that feels awful at first, but the relief of not having to be somebody is freeing.
And the heart muscle is a continuously beating organ that never stops...relatively speaking.
Important in my daily life is the practice of stillness, of being centered in my mind and body, and allowing feelings, thoughts and beliefs about everything to be as they are without reacting to them. It helps me reconnect with the space that says it is not I who speaks but I who witnesses me speaking, thinking, doing. Dmt, among others, can help you learn to do this. To develop an awareness around thought and emotion, and realize maybe that guy pulled out in front of me because he didn’t see me, or he’s a new driver, or he really DGAF. Either way I don’t have to take it personally
An important mantra I heard in a song really brings me out of that place of knowing, back to a place of wonder and curiosity.
“We don’t see the world the way the world is, we actually see the world the way we are.” Humbling myself and saying I could be wrong about this or that feels awful at first, but the relief of not having to be somebody is freeing.
PsyDuckmonkey
witch
"I WRENCHED DOG BACKWARDS TO FIND GOD.
NOW GOD BARKS."
- Aleister Crowley
:twisted: :d :shock: :thumb_up:
NOW GOD BARKS."
- Aleister Crowley
:twisted:
:d :shock: :thumb_up:Liquidreality
I root my phones, I over-clock my PC's, I boost-tu
I saw where he was coming from for some of it. I understood the race car analogy anyway.
Although I have only had, what I would consider, one breakthrough experience (and although I haven't read EVERY trip report) it was completely unlike the "typical" DMT experience that seem to be spread around most often. Maybe it was one of those deals for him.
I have since been making a great effort to understand what I witnessed to little avail. I suspect it will take a lifetime of earnest seeking and discipline, though I do believe the information is out there.
In a way I've been looking for someone to post something like this (curious that i should find it) whatever that may say about me. Maybe he didn't quite go about it in the right way or respectfully enough, we all have our flaws.
Though I do have the desire to undergo the experience again, I've been in the very place I believe he is warning about. I've been given an instruction, so to speak, and having not completed the path of this instruction, what are the consequences of knocking on the door again?
Although I have only had, what I would consider, one breakthrough experience (and although I haven't read EVERY trip report) it was completely unlike the "typical" DMT experience that seem to be spread around most often. Maybe it was one of those deals for him.
I have since been making a great effort to understand what I witnessed to little avail. I suspect it will take a lifetime of earnest seeking and discipline, though I do believe the information is out there.
In a way I've been looking for someone to post something like this (curious that i should find it) whatever that may say about me. Maybe he didn't quite go about it in the right way or respectfully enough, we all have our flaws.
Though I do have the desire to undergo the experience again, I've been in the very place I believe he is warning about. I've been given an instruction, so to speak, and having not completed the path of this instruction, what are the consequences of knocking on the door again?