Citta said:The point is that Qi (or is it Chi?) is said to have such significant effects, and thus it should be detectable. Not necessary detectable directly, I might have made myself a bit unclear sorry, but detectable in such a way that its effects upon matter is readily detectable. So my general critical thoughts from the previous post, again not intented to shove materialistic perspectives down your throat, was that the alleged effects of Qi can be explained through well known processes of physics, chemistry and biology and thus is not attributed to some fundamentally unknown energy. And the expected gap in the knowledge of human physiology I talked about earlier, due to systems that allegedly interact with Qi, is non-existent. By the way, what is this evidence you're talking about, Global?
I think it's both "chi" or "qi" or "ki" depending on which tradition is examining it. I agree that qi can be explained in part by physics, chemistry and biology, but my view is that it's sort of like a complimentary/supplementary view of the same phenomena. It's sort of another way of explaining phenomena we've already identified. The problem occurs when it (seems to) go above and beyond a uniquely complementary explanation. The evidence I refer to comes from both videos I've posted where scientific observers were present during both fantastic demonstrations that had no traditional explanation or detection of foul play (although of course the integrity of the videos come into question, and we don't want to get sucked back into that circular debate), but then there's also the very physical interactions I have with an unexplainable very physical feeling, dynamic, magnetic-like energy that after continual scrutiny seems to bare a lot of similarities to descriptions of qi. A lot of people say that one must see it to believe it, and I feel like I have seen it, and the interactions I have with it are very real, so my own experiential evidence affirms the existence of qi for myself personally. I understand that this may not affect others' views and that's fine. I'm simply speaking for myself here.
I want to examine a crucial part of the way that this "DMT energy" (whether qi or not) interacts with my body. I see these plasma-like holographic energies/objects in my open-eyed room. If I go to grab one, it may repel or attract my hand (or whatever part of my body makes contact with it) when my hand collides with the localized hologram. There are some fundamentally different ways to look at this, but I don't think that even the "less fantastic explanations" dispel the myth of qi so easily. One way of looking at it is that my hands are actually being "biomagnetically" repelled by the qi. Perhaps assuming that there is qi in my hands, other qi in the holograms and not so much in an object on the desk that "like" or opposite charges in the holograms as opposed to my hands create this sense of attraction/repulsion amongst themselves (hand and hologram) but not so easily with other physical objects (like the hologram and physical object). It would be like taking a magnet and trying to move a piece of wood as opposed to another magnet. [Edit]: Qi is commonly and traditionally identified as a "life energy" so it seems logical to conclude that inanimate objects (as opposed to people's bodies) would be rather deficient in qi. Perhaps we need a demonstration of a master repelling a dog (or even less intelligent organism) backwards.
On the other hand, perhaps when my body makes contact with these energetic holograms, the brain is making some odd but extremely refined calculation whereby it sends signals to the muscles in the hand to move in ways that bypass my normal voluntary motion (though I must say it feels like an external force acting on my hand). The thing is that if the holograms are not qi or some external phenomena (or internal phenomena projected externally) then that would be to assume that the brain is creating these hallucinations and making precise calculations in regards to touch sense and physical movement, the likes of which are unprecedented for the brain. Of course the brain is more amazingly complex than we can fathom, I'm just saying that it strikes me as a bit far-fetched as we don't see our brain make such calculations on objects that it's just making up in any other interaction in life I can think of. If the above case in bold is true, then perhaps in the qi demonstrations of the people being flung back by the master, the qi is not exerting a force on them, propelling them backwards but rather may be interacting with the skeletal nervous system in such a coherently strong way that their voluntary conscious signals that they normally use to control their bodies are being overridden.