Bancopuma said:
I'm also sceptical of the motives of the Bufo Alvarius Foundation...it has been in its "fledgling stage" for some time now, and I had heard from someone who lived alongside Dr Gerry for months (in fact hosted him in his house) that he saw no evidence that any money sourced through the Foundation was going towards conserving the toads, but rather going into Dr Gerry's own bank account and supporting his lifestyle. Obviously both him and Octavio Rettig maintain the view that 5-MeO in Bufo extract form is in some way superior to pure, synthetic 5-MeO, likely because they both make a lavish living through the former, whereas the latter is a fraction of the cost. The content of the pinned post of the facebook group "BEWARE of the Bufo Gangsters" may be of interest if you’d like to investigate this further.
Wow, I really was in hope that my skepticism was more paranoia than rather intuition at this point :?
Maybe there are many things that collide in their personalities like "Psychedelic-Ego", "Messiah-Complex", "Media/Selling/Survival-S**t"
I'm really glad that I can say that I'm staying away from facebook for approx. 4 years or more now... and have to say that I really didn't expect that I get so much interesting advises to facebook groups here :surprised that are linked to yeah literally this kind of "underground psychedelic stuff" we are into...
On the one hand I think that there have to be so many people now on facebook from every kind and aspect of human being who ALL give a shit about data collecting and abusing privacy actions - that it's maybe still one of the best connection things in our generation(s) and it would be somehow a personal failure to miss that incredible huge community action/thinking/discussion/connecting streamflow
BUT ON THE OTHER HAND
If all that stuff is spreaded so widely, which is probably more bad than good - I don't know I could be wrong, - the chances or probabilities that the hostilis trading or acacia tree abusing or whatever could be commercial "usefull" in this aspect (Son. Desert Toad), could lend to an even bigger amount of environmental pollution and destruction for no benefits at all....
I mean this thing with "Psychedelic-Ego's" or the Enlightenment-ChopWoodCarryWater isn't something that HAS to change your life... at some point you're still in a role to choose and ponder your actions after experiences, probably even after the "best" cocktail of psychedelics...
I have seen many friends or acquaintances that have used the stuff and were saying "oh wow, now I know it and....." things like that :d
:surprised
Yeah you guys know what I mean, but what it tells us and if it tells us something we have to work through ourselves like I make the most delicious veggie food plate with at least 20 different ingredients spices whatever for my dad and he says "yeah that's so delicious, someone wouldn't need meat with that" if I ask him a day after when he's hungry again why he's eating meat he says "my body needs this to stay healthy" Back to ignorance again 'nd again O-KAY! :!: :surprised :?:
So if we want(or moreover if we think we are ABLE) to learn from that or not should be the initial question and than someone should present us the whole richness of mother earth's tools (step-by-step) - like I'm just saying you would "sign up to facebook- joining techno group detroit (e.g.)- seeing dmt post - joining dmt group - buying mimosa - blasting off" could be a worst case in my eyes, seen from a learning curve viewpoint in some way... but that's another story
However, contigent upon my facebook absence I wasn't aware of groups like "BEWARE of the Bufo Gangsters" thanks for this Banco :thumb_up: , I wouldn't have felt that bad writing about my skepticism if I would have been aware of that group...
unfortunately commercial seems to be always more powerful than pure intention, but that's monetarism/capitalism
null24 said:
Gerry has also shown an incredible change of personality as his fame in the small circle of underground psychedelic practitioners has grown, from a seemingly humble man with good intentions to a nearly self-deified "medicine giver" driven by notoriety and money with a sketchy backstory and some serious allegations against him from various people including theft of money and medicine as well sexual abuse. Again, these are allegations but he doesn't answer any of thembut just continues soliciting business on social media.
This conference seems designed to lend credibility and legitimacy to a growing group of self styled practitioners who are creating a false mythology around the toad and elevating themselves as professional$ in the process
bad publicity is publicity, too
marketing is everything
sick of it all
:!:
now I'm too much enlightened in this topic.... hope these toads are doin some much longer hibernations in the future to protect themselves from the "toadmafia"- stpd ppl :?
