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Riggly Maynard Charlston Bentsworth |||
last time i did an extraction i folowed a mix of directions from various teks, but pritty much it was similar to quicktek. the mixture i had was pritty thick, and it took forever to the layers to separate. i was thinking if i bassified first and put the bark in to soak for about a day or two then diluted it again with a bunch of water it would make it less thick and easier to separate. also the spice was being pulled at like 200 mg at a time... is there any way i can get all the spice to come across at once? or at least a majority of it and then do more extractions. what is the BEST solvent for pulling dmt out of the bark. and whats the best for recrystalization? i need a surefire lye to water mix too. how many cups of lye to every liter of water? and how many liters of water to every gram of powdered bark. POWDERED bark. of course i could search for all this.. and you see i have. its just i would rather have a thread where some gurus could just throw it all together. the best of all teks.
 
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Well, each author is going to tell you that the way they've outlined is the best way to extract DMT because if they're honest at all, their tek is the way that has worked best for them. My tek is a quick tek and calls for 15ml of water and 1g of lye for each gram of MHRB and I'll stand by that. Those ratios have been thoroughly tested. If you're doing an A/B, the numbers will be much less precise since you'll be doing multiple soaks, maybe reducing your water volume (which one can't do with a quick tek), and have an easy visual indicator (slippy black) to tell you when you've added enough lye. If you want to pull as much spice as possible in your first extraction, use a lot of solvent and let it sit (with occasional agitation) at least 12 hours. It won't freeze precip unless you evap it down quite a bit, but if you use 4X the recommended solvent for your first pull and let it sit a good long while, you should get 80 - 90% of the spice in that. As to which is the best solvent - the jury is still very far out. Also the question is limited to availability. Methylene chloride may very well be optimal, but as much trouble as we have getting naptha and lye, it's pretty much completely impractical. My friend will be doing further testing soon on commonly available solvents and I'll post his results as they come in. Comparing heptane to naptha with an A/B found them to pull identical quantities of identical spice and that the heptane freeze preciped more readily than the naptha. Heptane is the better of the two for recrystalization - it separates the slag from the spice much more distinctly, thus requiring less passes. I hope this helps. I still can't figure out why you got such a nasty emulsion last time.
 
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thank you for that ratio i will definatly be using this. the emulsion last time was/ is my major problem. i recently tried doing a xylene extraction of the same jars i did my naptha pulls in and it took even longer for it to get to the top... and in one jar only about a milimeter of top layer can even be seen. its been over a week. heating didnt help. nothing did. i cant let that happen with a kilo of mhrb. any word on wether or not i could add more water or if that would even help?
 
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SWIM was pretty annoyed about the thick soup he get in his first extraction. Naphta seemed 'catched' by the soup and didn't want to move up. Next time, he will definitivly filter the soup thru a (white) tshirt to have only the liquid part before adding naphta.
 
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i dont think that would work man, its still in the bark after youve freebased it... i mean maybe if u did an a/b extraction, but im stickin with quicktek here
 
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Hey guys, off topic a bit but still related. I do A/B extraction and get nasty emulsions when defatting that heat does not seem to clear up. I could use less agitation but I dont know if this will defat as well. Any ideas? Once it is basified no problem.
 
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SWIM used finely powdered MHBR. Once mixed with strongly basified water, he get a very thick soup. SWIM could have added more water but this would have ended with too much liquid to handle for his 5 l jar (and would have lowered the PH) .
 
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Some things that will make it easier and more lifestyle friendly: It's tempting to extract a large amount of bark at once but speaking from experience that is a great way to make a big mess! Try adapting Nomans tek to quart size mason jars. These are cheap , have nice tight sealing lids , are easy to get and have measuring marks on them. You'll have to bump up the lye a little and the water a little so that the volume fills the jar to the neck. Use that narrower portion to add your naptha and after the final extraction you can suck up the remaining naptha and a bit of the basic solution and add it to a much smaller and thinner container to get the last of the naptha. One could also buy a cheaper and smaller seperatory funnel to seperate the bit of basic solution from the last of the naptha. Smaller extractions will tend to be more efficient and by doing smaller extractions more frequently you will get more efficient at doing them as well. There is also the benefit of having a good baseline for evaluating the quality between batches of bark.
 
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but whats real terrible is when you do the same thing to two jars and one of them pulls and the other dosnt! SOOO MADD
 
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[quote:a5755c0449="Fuego"]but whats real terrible is when you do the same thing to two jars and one of them pulls and the other dosnt! SOOO MADD[/quote:a5755c0449] What the hell ? I did notice that when dumping lye into hot water in a mason jar that the lye wanted to turn to concrete on the bottom of one of the jars and I had to scrape at it with a knife to break it up. Maybe that's what happened with yours and it wasn't basic enough.
 
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I'm curious what the best way to evaporate the naphtha is. I know under a fan helps, but I also am curious what one should put over the container to prevent impurities from getting into the solution/crystals. Everything I have tried has been to coarse, but I'm afraid of putting on something that doesn't let the solvent vapors escape enough.
 
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SWIM place the naphta jar in hot water (not boiling) with a small PC fan above (processor's PC). All that under the kitchen evacuation system (don't know the english word) so the naphta vapors are evacuated outside. It works great and 350 ml of naphta evaporate in one hour.
 
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[quote:98eb776f9b="Garulfo"]SWIM place the naphta jar in hot water (not boiling) with a small PC fan above (processor's PC). All that under the kitchen evacuation system (don't know the english word) so the naphta vapors are evacuated outside. It works great and 350 ml of naphta evaporate in one hour.[/quote:98eb776f9b] That sounds like a cool little setup. Be certain to keep the heat well below the vaporization temp of dmt or it will evaporate with the naptha.
 
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And remember, Lye is fucking dangerous. Not just to people, if you're careless with the shit and spill it or splatter lye solution about and your dog walks through it, odds are he'll develope burns on his feet. Same with your son, daughter, wife or little brother. Be a good family member and think about others when you use this shit. Wear GLOVES AND GLASSES! Have VINEGAR OR LEMON JUICE AT HAND TO NEUTRALIZE SPILLS. And you'd better count on'em cuz Murphy is waiting for you to get complacent! DO NOT LET LYE SOLUTIONS SIT FOR LONG PERIODS IN GLASS CONTAINERS. GET IT DONE AND GET'EM EMPTY. I really , really wish there was some safer alternatives to lye. [size=18:78b2a832bb]Keep in mind that lye burns are very suspicious to medical authorities since lye is used to manufacture methamphetamine. Being careless , or even just not being careful when you use lye could result in serious lye burns that require a trip to the doctor or hospital. If this happens your odds are 50/50 that law eforcement will be notified so be smart and don't let it happen in the first place[/size:78b2a832bb]
 
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