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tadgh78

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Hi all. I've been reading the forum or about the last day or two and this is my first post and it's a question.

SWINM has purchased 50g of MHRB powder and 30g of syrian Rue seeds, with a view to "expanding his consciousness". He would like to know which is the best and least technical method he can use in order to achieve that. He's open to the idea of refining and smoking or consuming as Ayahusca but does not like the idea of throwing up. He hasn't tried anything like this before. He has some experience with cannabis but the strongest drug he's taken so far is alcohol.

Any advice appreciated. :)
 
Hello my friend,

Welcome to the Nexus. You'll find that there really is no better place to educate yourself on the production and use of the spice. There is a wealth of information here available to those willing to put in the time to explore the forum. Before directly answering your question, I recommend that you spend a deal of time going over as many posts in the General Extractions Help section of the Nursery as you can. This will really give you a feel for what you are about to do, as well as prepare you for any complications that may happen along the way. I believe this is the most benificial strategy for beginner extraction an will reduce the possibility of ruining a fine batch of MHRB.

Congradulations on obtaining your first batch of ingredients! To answer your question, I can only recommend a Straight to Base Tek (STB), since it was my first and current method of extraction. Perhaps the easiest is the Lazyman's Tek, but I strongly recommend Noman's Tek which is essentially the same except for a slight variation near the end involving freeze precipitation instead of evaporation of the Naptha. This in my opinion results in crystals of a much finer quality.

I am glad that you have taken the descision to "expand your consciousness". I can identify with what you are about to go through since I was, much like yourself, completely inexperienced (and still am to a great degree) with the so called psychedelics having only consumed a minimal amount of Cannabis and Booze.

I cannot recommend highly enough that you try to educate yourself on DMT trip reports, extraction questions, and everything else you can before attempting what your about to do. I now believe what others have said so often in the past that there is -nothing- that can prepare you for the voyage you are about to take, but you should go into it as best ready as possible. This is no game. If you have any questions whatsoever, don't shy to ask! Everyone here is pretty cool and ready to help you along (and back from) your journey.

Good Luck!
 
Thanks for the kind advice Eternity!

The making of SWIM's first trip went as follows;

As Eternity suggested SWIM used Nomans tek, and a cold ammonia wash. It produced mostly pure white crystals which were smoked in a simple water bong made from a jam jar with 3 holes drilled in the lid, a bendable straw as a mouth-piece and Amor fati's eye dropper stem as the bowl. (Thanks to Amor Fati for his patient advice in getting SWIM "operational" ;-)).

SWIM used endlessness's method for extracting the Syrian Rue which produced some nice light-yellow powder rue extract (thank's endlessness).

SWIM loaded up the the eye dropper with a very small amount of the spice (maybe an amount equivalent to about 2-3 pin heads) and heated it up with one of those small "tea candles" that come in a metal cup.The spice immediately melted in the stem and after a couple of puff's the room began to take on an alien appearance. It was the most incredible thing SWIM had seen in a long while but there was more to come.

After another puff the spice was exhausted so SWIM just walked around the room looking at things. After a few minutes Swim started to return to reality.

Th next day (yesterday) SWIM took a small amount of the rue powder (maybe a 1/8 tea spoon) under his tongue and 20mins later took some more spice powder, twice as much this time, perhaps 4 "pin heads" worth and smoked it as before, but swim was getting the hang of smoking from a bong now, thanks to practice and Amor_fati's advice on how to use his stem, so this time swim got about 2-3 good lung fulls of thick vapor before the spice was exhausted.

This time the room got even stranger and more wonderful, the patterns in the carpet were going quite crazy, everything around SWIM looked super bright, shiny and "hyper-real". SWIM looked down at his hands and they looked very strange indeed, almost "claw-like" it was as if SWIM could see every pore and hair follicle. So this was "high strangeness"!?

SWIM closed his eyes as he'd read on Nexus one should do, and then he saw it; A 3-D psychedelic realm, vaster and more intricate than any SWIM would ever have imagined. It immediately began to bath him in it's magnificence and the wonder of it's mere existence.

SWIM opened his eyes to make sure SWIM was still attached to reality, SWIM was, the bong was still sitting there (albeit looking not quite itself) on the chair in front of SWIM where he'd placed it after taking his final hit. SWIM closed his eyes again and again the psychedelic pattern-world began to envelope SWIM.

SWIM almost thought see strange Harlequin-goblin-like entities moving in and out merging and re-emerging with the background, but SWIM's not quite sure, nothing about the "vision" was concrete or stable, everything was constantly shifting through impossible angles and colour spectra.

SWIM felt that if he kept his eyes closed he might begin somehow to move farther into that other reality, and be lost completely in the reverie of gazing at it. But SWIM felt hesitant to allow himself do so and he drew back.

SWIM opened his eyes again and for the rest of the trip (which lasted maybe 15-20 minutes) SWIM just walked around his flat looking at objects and marveling that such beauty and intricacy existed in our world and feeling incredibly grateful for that.




Swim has ordered a gemini mcg scales and a "butane jet lighter" off ebay in order to make dosing and administration for future trips more predictable. Swim will probably wait for those items to arrive before tripping again. Swim can hardly wait!

This trip (SWIM's first ever) was one of the greatest and most wonderful things SWIM has ever experienced and SWIM would like to thank everyone whose advice helped him get this far.

Tadgh78
 
Nice report. I cant wait to do this myself now.
On a rating of 1-10 how much you say, or how much would SWIM say that extracting this particular spice, took?
1 being easy
and 10 being impossible
 
U dont really need a butane jet lighter,, a normal bic will work fine.. U run the risk of burning the spice w a jet lighter.
 
Yengu said:
On a rating of 1-10 how much you say, or how much would SWIM say that extracting this particular spice, took?
1 being easy
and 10 being impossible
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SWIN'd put it (Nomans tek) at about a 4 or 5 difficulty level. It's straight forward and not a difficult process to understand once SWIY has his materials assembled and starts following to steps. It also produces nice white crystals. SWIM ended with a cold ammonia wash, which worked perfectly to remove any traces of lye from the crystals and left the crystals perfect for smoking.

The main thing to be aware of with Nomans tek is that SWIY will be working with caustic soda or "lye" which is a dangerous and corrosive substance. If it splashed in his eyes SWIY would be in serious difficulty. (btw Swiy'd rinse thoroughly with a mild acid like vinegar to neutralize the lye). SWIM wore eye protection at all times while around the lye solution and rubber gloves most of the time. The one time SWIM didn't wear the gloves he inadvertently lifted the Mason jar with the lye in it by the lid and I ended up getting a slight chemical burn on the inside of his thumb! He quickly doused his thumb with vinegar and it got no worse.

OK, that was his thumb, but if it had been his eye that caught a splash of the lye, it would have been far more serious.

SWIM would still recommend Nomans tek as being a simple and effective method but just have respect for the lye, wear eye protection, wear gloves. A simple face mask wouldn't hurt either.

A less caustic alternative to lye if you can get it would be sodium hydroxide which is sold as pickling lime or as gardeners lime. You can google it or search the Nexus for more information.

The syrian Rue extraction is more involved and more labour intensive than the spice extraction.

In future after SWIM's current batch of rue is used up I think SWIM'll be using TTH tincture from Flowing Visions to potentiate the spice as recommended by Amor_fati.

 
Praline said:
U dont really need a butane jet lighter,, a normal bic will work fine.. U run the risk of burning the spice w a jet lighter.
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SWIM's already ordered it anyway and It wasn't too expensive.

SWIM thinks the advantage of the jet lighter at least when used with a glass stem is that because the flame is steady and constant one can more easily hold it a measured distance away from the spice. One can also hold the flame to the side of the stem and see how far away it is from the spice. That is not so easy to do if one is heating the spice from beneath with a regular bic lighter or a candle.

As a further alternative there's also this butane powered heat gun with is something SWIM may look into if the jet lighter proves unsatisfactory.

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And the larger version;


With the heat gun it is supposed to be nearly impossible to burn the spice.
 
tadgh78 said:
Yengu said:
On a rating of 1-10 how much you say, or how much would SWIM say that extracting this particular spice, took?
1 being easy
and 10 being impossible
Click to expand...

SWIN'd put it (Nomans tek) at about a 4 or 5 difficulty level. It's straight forward and not a difficult process to understand once SWIY has his materials assembled and starts following to steps. It also produces nice white crystals. SWIM ended with a cold ammonia wash, which worked perfectly to remove any traces of lye from the crystals and left the crystals perfect for smoking.

The main thing to be aware of with Nomans tek is that SWIY will be working with caustic soda or "lye" which is a dangerous and corrosive substance. If it splashed in his eyes SWIY would be in serious difficulty. (btw Swiy'd rinse thoroughly with a mild acid like vinegar to neutralize the lye). SWIM wore eye protection at all times while around the lye solution and rubber gloves most of the time. The one time SWIM didn't wear the gloves he inadvertently lifted the Mason jar with the lye in it by the lid and I ended up getting a slight chemical burn on the inside of his thumb! He quickly doused his thumb with vinegar and it got no worse.

OK, that was his thumb, but if it had been his eye that caught a splash of the lye, it would have been far more serious.

SWIM would still recommend Nomans tek as being a simple and effective method but just have respect for the lye, wear eye protection, wear gloves. A simple face mask wouldn't hurt either.

A less caustic alternative to lye if you can get it would be sodium hydroxide which is sold as pickling lime or as gardeners lime. You can google it or search the Nexus for more information.

The syrian Rue extraction is more involved and more labour intensive than the spice extraction.

In future after SWIM's current batch of rue is used up I think SWIM'll be using TTH tincture from Flowing Visions to potentiate the spice as recommended by Amor_fati.

Click to expand...

Thanks for your help.
 
Yengu said:
Thanks for your help.
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Hey no problem, others have helped me, so If I can help by offering the benefit of whatever small bit of experience I have, I'm glad to.

Another tip on the lye solution; The tray of SWIMS shower was becoming slow to drain due to being clogged with hair, so when when SWIM was finished with the lye he decided to tip it down his shower plug-hole just to see if it would be strong enough to shift the blockage.

Sure enough, after about 30 seconds there was a "gurgle" from the plug hole and when he turned on the fosset his shower was draining perfectly, the hair blockage was dissolved!

(Let that also be a warning about the strength of the lye solution you'll be using for Nomans tek.) ;-)
 
It must be said, the ammonia wash would be better missed and replaced with a Sodium Carbonate wash.
Ammonia tends to take quite a bit of DMT with it.

Apparently... ?
 
oh jeez, the damn ammonia wash still haunting us? DO NOT DO THE AMMONIA WASH, people!! If you want to wash, wash the SOLVENT with a sodium carbonate solution, never wash the crystals and dont use ammonia!
 
Xtechre, endlessness, SWIM tried vaping the spice without the ammonia wash and could feel the lye or "something" irritating his throat. After the spice was put in a coffee filter and doused it with a little ice cold ammonia and then allowed it to sit for an hour or so, there was no such irritation noticed while vaping.

Swim also didn't notice any spice being lost, although in fairness he didn't weigh it before or after to be sure.

However, Swim bows to the greater experience of you both and will be trying a sodium carbonate wash for his next extraction.

So, how would a sodium carbonate wash work? Do you add sodium carbonate directly to the Naptha/spice immediately prior to freezing? And if so, how much would you use?

Thanks

Tadgh78
 
SWIM has had best success adding the SC directly to her naptha, though she has often heard the suggestions of putting it in water first. She seemed to lose a lot of yield that way, and the SC appears to do its thing without the H2O.

Just a pinch does the trick.
 
You really don't need to bother with a Carbonate or Ammonia wash if you make sure that your solvent pulls are clear of the lye/mhrb mix - Lye is not soluble in naptha.

Also Lye has a quite high melting and boiling point so it would be unlikely (even if you managed to fuck up the extraction that badly) that you would consume virtually any lye when smoking.
 
as geeg said... but yeah, if you want to make a wash, then add a pinch of sodium carbonate to some water (say, 50ml of water), and mix this with your solvent containing dmt, separate, discard water, and there you go
 
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