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Trip aborting cyproheptadine (periactin)

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To be clear when I said a short period I did not mean weeks or months, I meant over a decade or so. Which is a short period over a lifetime. I feel this pertains to dementia as it is a disease that happens later in life, over a long lifetime. So it is obviously accumulative. It is a disease that has many contributing factors. First generation antihistamines are being studied as one of those factors. There are quite a few other studies on this now other than the one you quoted.

Indeed I was likely thinking of that study as it states they followed participants medication use over a 10 year period (Which is maybe why I had a decade in my mind). Interesting to note, iirc, such drugs are know to increase dementia symptoms in people with dementia.

I never said it wasn't safe nor that it is relevant to only cyproheptadine as you stated? I clearly said first generation antihistamines i did not single it out. I also didn't say it causes, I said is linked to. If im being honest your post reads like a chat gpt reply.

I also do not see a study passing ethics balances and checks if they were to say give first generation antihistamines to a group of 20 year olds everyday for 10 years to see if it induces early onset dementia. That is to say it would be hard scientifically gauge the damage long term use could do over a long period in a large sample group of young healthy people, especially as many users of all ages use such medications as regular sleep aids.

I would therefore respectfully argue what I wrote is accurate. In addition, I think it is good that people have access to information on potential risks no mater how big or small to mitigate risk and make their own informed decisions regardless of the drug. I hope by pointing this link out people can be mindful.

PS. I have editing my post to read "extended period" to better reflect what I meant. Thank you for pointing this out.
Hey bud. Please do not get defensive. I am not criticizing you. English is not my first language, but I never consider a 'short period' as consistent use over years or decades.

Just wanted to point out the obvious as you made it sound like there was some inherent risk using Cyproheptadine sporadically for purposes of aborting a trip. The science is specifically saying long term consistent use over many years or decades. This is certainly not the use case we are discussing.

Anyhow, hope the info helps someone. Its an amazing trip stopper and easily available. Make up your own mind if its appropriate for your use.

Would love feedback from anyone else that perhaps dabbled with it in futue.
 
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Cyproheptadine is related structurally to ketotifen, and ketotifen also seems to have affinity for the 5-HT2 receptors, although I couldn't find information specific to the 5-HT2A. It could be interesting to test ketotifen as well, as in those countries where cyproheptadine is not available OTC, it will likely be much easier to obtain ketotifen, due to its use by some bodybuilders in order to counteract clenbuterol tolerance.
Well spotted. This may well work too. We have ketotifen syrup freely available in my country. I tried it before for allergies however I felt like someone had tranquilized me with a dart for the entire day. The need to sleep was overwhelming and napped for hours.

I have used 3 other first gen antihistamines before but never experienced anything this tranquilizing before. It was quite overwhelming. Your experience may ofcourse be totally different and this is just my subjective experience.

Still, better to perhaps have this on hand if you cant easily access Cyproheptadine - just as you said. Would have a great sleep after too 😂
 
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Well spotted. This may well work too. We have ketotifen syrup freely available in my country. I tried it before for allergies however I felt like someone had tranquilized me with a dart gun for the entire day. The need to sleep was overwhelming and napped for hours.

I have used 3 other first gen antihistamines before but never experienced anything this tranquilizing before. It was quite overwhelming. Your experience may ofcourse be totally different and this is just my subjective experience.

Still, better to perhaps have this on hand if you cant easily access Cyproheptadine - just as you said.
I have never tried cyproheptadine, I didn't know it was available here OTC (but it is). Reading the Wikipedia article, it sounded like it has more side effects than ketotifen, and I assumed it would be more drowsiness-inducing. Would you say then that in your experience cyproheptadine causes less drowsiness?

I have used ketotifen up to 1mg for hives and yes, the drowsiness is so bad that it's only worth it as a last resort, to me.
 
I have never tried cyproheptadine, I didn't know it was available here OTC (but it is). Reading the Wikipedia article, it sounded like it has more side effects than ketotifen, and I assumed it would be more drowsiness-inducing. Would you say then that in your experience cyproheptadine causes less drowsiness?

I have used ketotifen up to 1mg for hives and yes, the drowsiness is so bad that it's only worth it as a last resort, to me.

Cyproheptadine felt similar to most other 1st Gen anti-histamines I've used (Diphenhydramine/Bendryl and Chlorphenamine). Definitely not as drying as Benydryl, but the same grogginess / sleepiness as the rest. There was some hangover feel the next morning as with others, but it mainly passed by noon. Ketotifen felt like a whole different beast to me. The urge to sleep was totally overpowering and felt more like a really strong sedative than an anti histamine. I did not personally like it.

Let us know if you ever decide to try the Cypro for trip aborts. Would be nice to have some additional reports.
 
Cyproheptadine felt similar to most other 1st Gen anti-histamines I've used (Diphenhydramine/Bendryl and Chlorphenamine). Definitely not as drying as Benydryl, but the same grogginess / sleepiness as the rest. There was some hangover feel the next morning as with others, but it mainly passed by noon. Ketotifen felt like a whole different beast to me. The urge to sleep was totally overpowering and felt more like a really strong sedative than an anti histamine. I did not personally like it.

Let us know if you ever decide to try the Cypro for trip aborts. Would be nice to have some additional reports.
As it's OTC, I'm interested in trying it for hives next time the necessity comes up. It may be better than ketotifen for that if it induces less sleepiness, even if it were to not work as well. So if I get it, I'll do an experiment in aborting a trip. I assume there's no risk with using it with phenethylamines, right? 2C-B may be the easiest for me to test, I would feel bad about taking a "deeper" compound just to abort it.
 
As it's OTC, I'm interested in trying it for hives next time the necessity comes up. It may be better than ketotifen for that if it induces less sleepiness, even if it were to not work as well. So if I get it, I'll do an experiment in aborting a trip. I assume there's no risk with using it with phenethylamines, right? 2C-B may be the easiest for me to test, I would feel bad about taking a "deeper" compound just to abort it.
Just want to reiterate again that I am no doctor and I cannot give personal medical advice as everyone has their own medical history and personal circumstances.

However there is no contradiction between the two classes of drugs that I am aware of. All classic psychadelics exert their effect via the 5th2a receptor which Cyproheptadine effectively blocks.

All I would suggest is try using Cypro by itself before combining it with anything else to assess how you react to it in isolation and know exactly what the effects are.

If you examine the package insert the dose is 4-12mg. 4mg worked 100% for me, but it may be someone would have to try higher dose if they used high doses of a psychedelic.
 
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