Two questions re hyperspace

[TimePantry]

I've got two questions, here's the first one:

I arrived in hyperspace tonight, to find that the air tasted as if it were permeated with salt. Like ocean air, but WAAAY more salty.

Has this happened to anyone else?

The other question is a sort of philosophical one:

I know many of you believe that our hyperspace experiences are essentially a reflection of our own individual interiors, representing and determined by our own minds. (as opposed to being a bona fide dimensional reality.)
From within the context of this perception, what in your opinion does it indicate that hyperspace for me is pretty much unpopulated -- I never meet any entity, intelligence, being, and, alas, no machine elves.

Thanks!

 

[Felnik]

It's possible that could change over time . I,m sure if
You keep exploring something will shift

 

[meatsim]

From within the context of this perception, what in your opinion does it indicate that hyperspace for me is pretty much unpopulated -- I never meet any entity, intelligence, being, and, alas, no machine elves.

I always seem to meet entities with very important messages for me about repressed childhood experiences. Oftentimes, these being are in such a hurry and sometimes very stressed out to the extent that the experience becomes overwhelming, leading to me hyperventilating and feel general fear and confusion, I guess you could call it bad tripping.

Maybe there are no important messages for you at the moment (pure speculation of course).
Just pointing out that, for me, every time there's an entity, it is always a messenger of specific and important information.

 

[Tek]

I'll do my best to field your question about the entities, although I can only speak from my personal experience so take from it what you will.

In my experience, entities appear to come in two main types. The first type are the one's that seem to have some sort of important relationship with you personally, humanity in general, or planet Earth. These are what are often referred to as the 'teachers', the one's that seem to show you impossible truths about the nature of reality and our unique place in it. I myself have a personal guide and/or guardian whom I call Teo and it's become very easy for me to tell the difference between Teo's 'energy signature' (if I can borrow a term from Monroe) and the resonance of a different entity.

The second type I seem to encounter are the ones that you seem to bump into by accident, and these come in many, many different varieties. Some are relatively neutral towards you, others approach you with a slight curiousity, and still others try to play tricks on you and/or scare you since they must realize your new to whatever hyperspace actually is (which we could debate about all day).

I wouldn't think to much of not encountering an entity on your first run, I didn't and I know others haven't as well. The first type of entity seems to be so intimately in tune with you on a personal level that they know the precise moment when they can and should reveal themselves to you. Anytime before that, even if you think your ready, could result in an overwhelming and/or confusing experience. I've found that you need to get your feet wet, take your first 'baby steps' into hyperspace, before these beings decide to make an appearance and if you spend much time browsing these forums you will realize they can appear in a multitude of ways and in a variety of archtypes.

 

[Global]

Even assuming that it is a reflection of your interior (which I don't think is 100% accurate anyway), the absence of entities isn't really a reflection on you, or at least not the way you're thinking about it. Everyone experiences hyperspace differently. Some people experience certain phenomena while others experience other particular phenomena. Perhaps from an interior perspective, you haven't had the necessary neurological pathways established that allow you access to other entities that other hyperspace visitors might have established either earlier or later than you. I don't really know what to tell you because I don't fully agree with this point of view. I think it's a reflection of your interior to the extent that you're filtering external information (as with the perception of normal reality) and that depending on how prevalent your personal filter is which may vary from person to person and moment to moment, the experience can appear to be more external in nature and other times more internal. From this perspective, the entities might not be making it past your filter. Some believe that you get things from hyperspace when you need them. Perhaps you simply aren't in need of entities as much as you simply long to make contact with them.

 

[Doodazzle]

First off, I'd caution you against being overly concerned that you haven't met any entities. Please do not consider it a fault on your part. I've known someone who just kept trying to contact "them" and blasted off way too often, maybe 30 times in one day, like beating his head against a wall.

About what Global said regarding one's filter--perhaps you are more advanced and do not have the need to interpret these phenomena as being humanoid. In other words these entities/autonomous aspects of Self appear to us as humanoid to make it easier for us to graps the message, for some reason you do not need the humanoid guise. As such they appear to you as shifting arabesque bejeweled wonder with no face. Who really can say for certain?


Having said that, like Global, I do not really agree with the view that the DMT world should be explained as a mere contriviance of one's own consciousness, nor that the entities should be reduced to mere aspects of one's own self.

But that is the classic argument amongst psychonaughts--are these things "real" or just aspects of "me". Not sure I'm in the mood to delve into that one too deeply (again!) right now.

Indulging you in the actual stated question, and from the theory which you put forth:

Pehaps they don't show themselves to you because of your attitude that they are not real, can't be real? Perhaps others who share that viewpoint have seen them because they suspend judgment a bit more/are just more open minded/don't really bother speculating on the ultimate nature of it all or whatever....I'll use myself as a possible example--I've always been prone to "magickal thinking". I've also met entities the first blast off, as well as from mushrooms and other entheogens. My world has always been full of gods, spirits, aliens and mystery--seeing a tyke came as no huge shock.

 

[Ice House]

From within the context of this perception, what in your opinion does it indicate that hyperspace for me is pretty much unpopulated -- I never meet any entity, intelligence, being, and, alas, no machine elves.

It idicates that you probably just need to get more expeirience there and get more comfortable with it.

keep going and the landscape will change, lol.

After hundreds of voyages myself, I have yet to see any elves. The only entities I ever encounter look like sock puppets. The rest of the experience is very intense and very visual.

I often wonder when I hear the stories of other peoples voyages.

You must keep in mind that in a world of infinite possibilities the only thing different from your DMT experience and those of others may be the way you interpret and describe it.

 

[TimePantry]

Ha ha, sock puppets, that must be a lot of fun!

Myself, I don't necessarily think that hyperspace is an internally-originating phenomenon, however some people here that I respect have expressed this view.

(Tek: How very interesting ... the first time I ever smoked spice, I was at a party where I met a guy named ... Teo.)

 

[Tek]

(Tek: How very interesting ... the first time I ever smoked spice, I was at a party where I met a guy named ... Teo.)

Huh!? Really!!? That's totally trippy to me lol. If you ever see him again mention my story. Maybe in some totally crazy way we're connected (I no longer believe in coincedences so for you to bring this up must mean something).

This being I talk about often claims to have no real name, saying that it is we humans that need to label everything. I asked if it would be okay if I referred to 'it' as Teo, to which was responded to me 'I already knew you were going to call me that and it's just as good as anything else so sure'.

Very strange.

 

[TimePantry]

He was a martial artist, and a crazy good painter. Way too serious I remember thinking, but of course that's just my opinion.

 

[۩]

The atmosphere does get thick in hyperspace. I have never had it get salty. Consuming salt makes me cough, however. I've never met anybody that reacted similarly.
To me I find it like breathing some kind of tangible life force fuel that encompasses all and is everywhere, of course my ape self struggles to make sense of this, but there is still the direct observation of experiencing somewhere else and having no words to describe it. Therefore, everything I say is as true as it is false, and serves only as a reflection of what is actually happening. A definition is a dead end, and I am rambling.

As for the entities...well, some people see them and some people don't. Those who don't like to make those who do feel crazy/stupid. I see this almost every day on the DMT-Nexus. That's fine. I completely understand why somebody would think this, as most of the trip is an accelerated version of myself, but even on my first journey I was greeted by another, who toured me of various possibilities, and made it very clear of their presence. Trust me...even the notion of this is enough to make me feel absolutely insane. I have gone into hyperspace more times than I can count/remember for the sole purpose of seeing what really is happening. Technically I try to hold no beliefs. I have interacted with others on almost every deep journey even with a completely open mind / in disbelief. I've tried not believing in them and pretending that this stuff doesn't happen. Every single time I go in they are there.

I am a HIGHLY skeptical person. I am also very scientific minded, or at least I like to think so. The fact that this happens to me completely and totally shatters everything I ever thought I knew about consciousness/the universe. This is just my personal perspective on all of this. I can't even believe I say these things, really. All that I know is what I observe...

Some folks discover them after a while, too.

Fact is, none of us have any idea what the hell is going on....

 

[TimePantry]

Oh, I completely understand what you are saying about the charged air of hyperspace. It's actually the first thing that happens, every time, in between the second and third toke. I always silently say, thank you for the air, because I feel exactly the same, that it is vivifying and salutary. (if you'll forgive the somewhat victorian turn of speech. Hmm, I think those concepts have faded somewhat in our modern society -- "robust," "empowering," "healthy" --- they're just not quite the same thing.)

I feel a little funny saying this, because I've always been afraid that you guys might see this as the wrong reason, but--

The whole reason I sought out DMT, and learned how to make it, was because I asked anyone I met who mentioned knowing something about it; and everybody said that the experience was basically something like going somewhere else and communicating with Not-Humans.

I don't know why, but perhaps my fondest wish in life is to really communicate with something not-human. Not like "channelling a spirit guide" or anything new-agey like that -- I want to engage in reasoned discourse with an intelligence truly outside of myself as part of the human entity. There's the loneliness you feel when you want other humans, but this is a different lonely feeling; maybe the same feeling like when you look at the stars and wonder if there's anybody out there.

As someone speculated above, I do indeed long to meet them. I don't want to believe that that very fact is what's stopping me. And for what it's worth, although as I said there are people here whom I respect who feel that hyperspace isn't an actual separate reality, I myself am sure that it is.

 

[۩]

May I suggest:

If you can, eat some LSD, 100-500 micrograms, whatever you prefer from a trusted source.
Drink 25-50g of ayahuasca (just b. caapi) when you feel comfortable with your dose after a few hours or so.
Vaporize freebase once the aya has kicked in and you are feeling comfortable.

I think if you haven't made contact [so to speak] yet, this would be a sure fire method of doing so.

Prolonged exposure to darkness before soulular ejection / cosmic integration also helps one tune in . .

 

[tele]

May I suggest:

If you can, eat some LSD, 100-500 micrograms, whatever you prefer from a trusted source.
Drink 25-50g of ayahuasca (just b. caapi) when you feel comfortable with your dose after a few hours or so.
Vaporize freebase once the aya has kicked in and you are feeling comfortable.

I think if you haven't made contact [so to speak] yet, this would be a sure fire method of doing so.

Prolonged exposure to darkness before soulular ejection / cosmic integration also helps one tune in . .

May work well for some... Altough wouldn't the acid intensify the experience?

My suggestion is, smoking first 10-15mg, then taking the "full dose".
It's my warm up ritual before diving in. Works very well to remove any pre flight anxiety and to get excited so to speak.

 

[Global]

May I suggest:

If you can, eat some LSD, 100-500 micrograms, whatever you prefer from a trusted source.
Drink 25-50g of ayahuasca (just b. caapi) when you feel comfortable with your dose after a few hours or so.
Vaporize freebase once the aya has kicked in and you are feeling comfortable.

I think if you haven't made contact [so to speak] yet, this would be a sure fire method of doing so.

Prolonged exposure to darkness before soulular ejection / cosmic integration also helps one tune in . .

May work well for some... Altough wouldn't the acid intensify the experience?

My suggestion is, smoking first 10-15mg, then taking the "full dose".
It's my warm up ritual before diving in. Works very well to remove any pre flight anxiety and to get excited so to speak.

In my experience, the presence of acid with smoking DMT has quasi-paradoxical properties. On one hand, it invites all the features of DMT reserved for the highest of doses, often seeming very sacred or celestial in nature, but on the other hand, I am at more ease than ever. That is to say the imagery itself can get very complex and advanced in nature, yet you lose that edge. That intense rushing that might normally accompany similar imagery is replaced by profound peace, love and angelic emotions. In that sense you are widely opening the door to possibility that is normally beyond reach while equipping you with the full capacity to bear the oncoming cosmic glacier. I've never added MAOIs to the LSD+DMT equation though that's my next big plan (though I have smoked DMT on pharma/aya or just with rue by itself numerous times).

 

[۩]

Wonderfully articulated, Global! Thanks.

I look forward to hearing your account of this amazing synergy!

 

[lewinii]

Well said, i really enjoyed reading this thread

 

[○]

Regarding the OP's latter question. After experimenting with many oral pharma doses and eventually going through with ayahuasca the other night for the first time..and heres my general consensus on the matter (this is copied and pasted from my experience report titled "Well..The waves DID collapse":

Uhhh..all i;m going to say is this. Directly from the source. I humbly submitted myself to this coalescence of pure potential that is myself and everything else. Relentless in ITS approach..never thinking it was going to end. From my toes to my nose..no stone was left unturned. Fully flipped inside out and stripped to the core..the "Atman".."the SELF".."the GODHEAD".."Braman"...whatever is seemingly going on under that flimsy film that seperates our perception from IT. Shown that we as humans shield ourselves immensely from our true SELF..our true identity; completely sounds with the indian mystics concept of "Maya"...we live maya day in and day out. Illusion overtop of illusion......for protection?....natural ignorance? I don't know why we do this but we do it and thats one thing Aya had shown me.

The intensity was intoxicating over mid way through the peak until the very end. There were many highs and lows. Intense crying. Intense laughter. Points where my fingertips were barely in grasp of this everyday Gift we call LIFE. There were points where i begged for it to stop. I had seen enough......ENOUGH. "I totally understand; I DO"..i kept telling my SELF that. Life is a Gift...hands down..don't waste it.

Theres so much I could talk about.. I could write pages...but there really is no point. I'll leave on this note. The one thing that I learned above all else from this EXTREMELY SHOCKING & PROFOUND experience is this: You live the illusion so well..so convincingly..but know this..you are not sperate from I...a bless and a curse.. the Alpha & The Omega..YOU are the beginning and the end. No matter how far you travel into the depths of Spirit you will always answer to YOU. YOU have always been and always will be....... Tat tvam asi