UK travellers

[blondin]

I recently finished about 1/2 a g of some wonderful spice from a friend in the US who has unfortunatly died after a long and painful illness. I am 50 and thought my days of taking halucigens were long gone until i tried DMT and now I NEED to experiment with this incredible substance some more.
I have been a long time user of opiates and feel that continued use of spice will pull me away from the need or desire to take any more heroin - but apart from that I just love the places it takes me , I always smile when Im tripping on it and have no fear but i feel that I need to smoke it at least once a week (at the moment) as my journey has only just began.
UNfortunately my wife does not agree with my POV so was wondering if there are any quick and easy ways of making some with out being found out.
I have aimed this at UK folks as they will have access to the same things that are needed - I am not at all versed in this type of thing so easy is the watch word : )

 

[hug46]

Does your wife know about your opiate use? If so, i dont understand why she opposes you extracting DMT. I suggest having a long discussion with her, especially about the potential positive effects it may have on helping you to move away from heroin. (especially if she doesn"t like the fact that you have a habit)
You probably don"t need me to tell you to read, read, read - all the info you need is here ( also look into interaction of maois and opiates if you want to go the changa/ayahusca route).
Extracting your own spice is easy but i reckon you need to get the Mrs on side first.

 

[ZenSpice]

Apart from the MHRB most of the stuff required can be "broken down" and placed within the kitchen, so as to appear like everyday items. Most of what you need can be purchased from a certain "back pocket slapping store" or "jungle orientated website" (trying to make sure I stick to the rules on acquisition, if the above is in anyway flouting them please let me know and I will edit)

As already asked, Has your wife seen the research on how this helps overcome addictions? If she knows of your prior opiate issues and reads up a bit, maybe it might lead to more supportive mindset.

It is understandable to be fair that if one does not know the depths of this compound it can be viewed as "just another drug"..

I am personally shocked at some of the people around me who have attempted to treat is as such, even though they should know better. As such they get no help from me whatsoever, call me elitist but if someone doesn't show right intent I do not need to karmic hassles of assisting them in just getting some "jollies".

If people like that can get the wrong idea then I can imagine it's very easy for someone concerned about previous problems to get the wrong end of the stick.

I sincerely hope you overcome this and are able to work unhindered.

Respect due to you

 

[Kurukulla]

Congrats on your dmt experiences - always nice to hear from a new explorer.

Would be good to head more about your experience with heroin - something I've never tried or want to try...
Still interested in your experience of it.

I'm in the uk and can certainly try and help with your explorations.

 

[Mustelid]

blondin, I wish you the best in getting away from the opiate trap.

I feel that opiates trick us into thinking that more is better, when less is better.

I was clean for a while before I tried DMT. I can't imagine taking it during the terrible mindset that withdrawal brings. Some people have had success with ibogaine for kicking opiates, and I had good luck myself with kratom, in that I found it to be easier to taper in that it had no buzz, but did reduce symptoms.

The caveat with Kratom is that some feel can protract post acute withdrawal.

There is no shame in going to a Doctor in order to get help kicking too if you are able to go that route.

Where I think DMT helped most is with the mental addiction. When clean, once in a while you remember opiates and the poison thoughts come; the "It's been a long time, my tolerance is low, a rush right now would just be so intense."

These thoughts lead to disaster. One down the addict road, just-once-for-old-time-sake leads back to full blown dependance.

DMT made me see the warm fuzzy opiate euphoria as a warm fuzzy but filthy old infantile security blanket. Now I tend to remember my addiction as the Between-Scylla-and-Charybdis that it is, with the euphoria remembered as a comfy, but sad, lonely, withdrawn place that I don't ever want to return to.

 

[Infinite I]

Hugs gives good advice you should try to talk her round, seems kinda crazy she would condone heroin use but not dmt use, try make her see this fallacy. I know its wrong to do things behind peoples back but I was pushed into such a situation with my ex girlfriend, she was being pretty unreasonable in a lot of ways so I went behind her back and went from materials to 4 grams of dmt in a vial in 14 hours when she was staying over with family using nomans stb tek, Im from the UK btw.

 

[Kurukulla]

blondin, I wish you the best in getting away from the opiate trap.

I feel that opiates trick us into thinking that more is better, when less is better.

I was clean for a while before I tried DMT. I can't imagine taking it during the terrible mindset that withdrawal brings. Some people have had success with ibogaine for kicking opiates, and I had good luck myself with kratom, in that I found it to be easier to taper in that it had no buzz, but did reduce symptoms.

The caveat with Kratom is that some feel can protract post acute withdrawal.

There is no shame in going to a Doctor in order to get help kicking too if you are able to go that route.

Where I think DMT helped most is with the mental addiction. When clean, once in a while you remember opiates and the poison thoughts come; the "It's been a long time, my tolerance is low, a rush right now would just be so intense."

These thoughts lead to disaster. One down the addict road, just-once-for-old-time-sake leads back to full blown dependance.

DMT made me see the warm fuzzy opiate euphoria as a warm fuzzy but filthy old infantile security blanket. Now I tend to remember my addiction as the Between-Scylla-and-Charybdis that it is, with the euphoria remembered as a comfy, but sad, lonely, withdrawn place that I don't ever want to return to.

Do you still take opiates then? Even after using dmt ?

 

[Mustelid]

Me? No, I'm done with opiates for good. And I with the perspective that I got from DMT, I won't miss them either.