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underwater entheogens

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many spp of fish can cause heavy trips when eaten - its said that it is from the algae or plant material they eat - apparently they are only "active" in various seasons - in other seasons their diet changes. there are many fish spp that can cause this - i know one person, personally that had a severe experience from eating flathead mullet off the transkei in south africa.

also a south african researcher found an edible species of seaweed that contains dmt off the coast of madagascar - dont know the botanical name tho - anyone got it ?

i heard long ago that someone extracted dmt from a seaweed based plant food - the validity of this - idk ?

There is so much plant life in the sea and it takes up a large portion of the earth, im sure there are more underwater spp that contain dmt than there are on land.
 
I have always thought about underwater etheogens, but currently I am looking for some bacterial hallucinogens. Culturing Bacteria is extremely easy and I'm fairly sure that there out of the billions of different species of bacteria, that one of them has to make something fun.
 
Anyone see 'Cloverfield?' It wasn't in the movie, but in the internet back-story theres some substance they find at the bottom of the ocean! The japanese discovered it, and put it in a drink called Slusho....



Supposedly, this is what was in the exploding tanker in the harbor at the beginning of the movie. And it may have led the giant monster to Manhattan.
 
also a south african researcher found an edible species of seaweed that contains dmt off the coast of madagascar - dont know the botanical name tho - anyone got it ?
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Googled and this came up. don't know where the species is from tho.

Family: Alariaceae
Genus: Ecklonia
Species: maxima

DMT is found in brown seaweed extract sold as Kelpak.
 
A colleague of mine in Natal South Africa has already discovered in the waters along the coast of Madagascar, three varieties of edible seaweed which contain DMT.

His name is Dr. Michael T.Smith

You might be able to find the article via google.
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from mjshroomer @ Mycotopia
 
Thank you, wonderful information! I am trying to dig up the article/notes, all I have found until now is a bit more information. "Dr. Michael Smith from the University of Natal, Pretoria, South Africa regarding the DMT in seaweed."
 
Alright, I found a manual for a commercial extract of Ecklonia maxima fertilizer. The manual states that the total content of auxin-like compounds (including DMT) is 11 mg per liter. At the stated moisture content of 99.9%, that means that the total amount of auxin-like compounds is 11.1 g per liter. This includes indole-3-carboxylic acid, indole-3-aldehyde, N,N-dimethyltryptamine and N-hydroxyethylphalimide (stated in the same order as in the manual).

This could very well mean that Ecklonia maxima is a potential source. It could also very well mean that DMT only is a small fraction of the amount of auxin-like compounds, which would exclude it as a source. It could also be that one or more of the compounds in the seaweed is highly toxic to humans in extracted form. The manual states that the LD50 for male rats is > 5600 mg/kg for the whole fertilizer, which would mean > 5.6 mg/kg in moisture reduced form.
 
I found the first page of a paper from Michael T. Smith, the researcher referred to at Mycotopia, identifying DMT in an extract from Ecklonia maxima. It would really help if someone could dig out the whole article!
 

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I have been in contact with a producer for a Ecklonia maxima fertilizer, they state that no quantitative data on DMT in E. maxima is published, not even in the paper linked to in my last post. So if this really is a potential source or not is unknown, perhaps someone with extensive knowledge should order the fertilizer and do a test extraction?

I don't want to do this, as I have no idea if the other substances will survive the extraction, and in that case if they can pose any threat when concentrated. Although I very strongly doubt that it is toxic, as the fertilizer is dried and then fed to animals without even one published report of toxicity.
 
All those creatures at the bottom of the ocean must have SOME way of seeing things...

Oh my goodness, this is so fascinating, please share more information!!

Algae are powerful...
 
I was looking through old threads and I found this. Very interesting topic, any body have any info on aquatically sourced entheogens?
 
There's probably a whole new class of Psychedelic Substances that, when discovered, will completely change everything we think we know about Psychedelics.

Just like Salvinorin did when it was discovered.

Imagine what's on other planets...

It'll make DMT seem like a puff of mid-grade cannabis.
 
For the record:
Family: Alariaceae
Genus: Ecklonia
Species: maxima

Crouch et al. (1992) reported finding DMT in brown seaweed extract sold as Kelpak and intended to be used as a plant fertilizer.(Crouch, I.J., Smith M.T., Van Staden J., Lewis, M.J. & Hoad, G.V. 1992. Identification of auxins in a commercial seaweed concentrate. J. Plant Physiology 139(5), 590-594.) However, subsequent analysis by J. Gartz suggests none is present.
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Sorry peeps!

It was Gartz, though...

and, does anyone have a ref for that "subsequent analysis by J. Gartz"?
 
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