unusual crystals (for me)

[iownme]

while tidying a spare room i noticed i had left one of my glass containers in there which i use for the freeze process.
it would have certainly appeared empty when i left it there a couple weeks ago i expect.
when i looked in it i found these amazing looking crystals.
im still somewhat new to extracting and have not come across this style of dmt before.
weighs 20mg

 

[iownme]

here you go....

 

[iownme]

the pain involved in getting the images to a modern phone with my ancient tech prompted me to see whats currently available.... this will be arriving today for future use

 

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Very cool! Kind of reminds me of the old photo on Erowid. Thick, aggregated, clear as ice.

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Looking forward to more of your crystals and photos.

 

[iownme]

Yep, a lovely little treat!

Slow evaporation of about a tablespoon of post-freeze naphtha would yield 20mg or so.

id like to do an experiment but id like an opinion as to whether it would/might work.

if i take a tablespoon of my first pull and leave it in the glass i posted here, and leave it undisturbed in another room, it it possible that large crystals will form, or is there more to it?

i found a "science" paper on crystallization of dmt but its way above my level of understanding
crystallization technique here

 

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id like to do an experiment but id like an opinion as to whether it would/might work.

if i take a tablespoon of my first pull and leave it in the glass i posted here, and leave it undisturbed in another room, it it possible that large crystals will form, or is there more to it?

i found a "science" paper on crystallization of dmt but its way above my level of understanding
crystallization technique here

By all means experiment - but maybe take some steps to keep the dust and fluff out this time
Slow evap crystallisation techniques are described elsewhere on the forum already, but the gist is that you can use a tight wrapping of tinfoil with a single pinprick for the solvent vapours to escape. I'd say it's best to do this as a recrystallisation of already freeze-precipitated material, otherwise you'll end up with whatever junk got pulled by that volume of naphtha, or you'll be removing naphtha with a significant amount of DMT left in it if you don't evaporate completely.

Another additional trick is to use a seed crystal suspended on a fine thread, to get yet bigger crystals this way.

Looking forward to seeing your results already!

 

[iownme]

it looks like i didnt pay enough attention to your reply as i did it a little differently now i re-read it.

i used 50 ml of naptha for the first pull, i set aside 10ml of that into the same glass tumbler the original crystals were in, pull foil over the top and made a pin prick, the remaining naptha is currently cooling in the refrigerator, about to go to the freezer.

the 10ml part is what i am donating to the experiment ...lol, the rest i am producing as "normal" unless you have other advice.

2nd pull will be ready shortly.

it's best to do this as a recrystallisation of already freeze-precipitated material

this is the part i think i made a mistake with.
re-reading it now it dont quite understand it

 

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it looks like i didnt pay enough attention to your reply as i did it a little differently now i re-read it.

i used 50 ml of naptha for the first pull, i set aside 10ml of that into the same glass tumbler the original crystals were in, pull foil over the top and made a pin prick, the remaining naptha is currently cooling in the refrigerator, about to go to the freezer.

the 10ml part is what i am donating to the experiment ...lol, the rest i am producing as "normal" unless you have other advice.

2nd pull will be ready shortly.


this is the part i think i made a mistake with.
re-reading it now it dont quite understand it

While it's broadly ok to do the evaporation on the pulls, if you're aiming for purity you should freeze precipitate first, and then redissolve those crystals in fresh solvent for the evaporative crystallisation. That way you don't end up with the naphtha-soluble impurities from the base soup getting on your evaporative crystals.

 

[iownme]

you should freeze precipitate first, and then redissolve those crystals in fresh solvent

ah...gottit, should i let the crystals dry then scrape up and then redissolve, or just pour out the used naptha from the frozen dish and pour the fresh naptha over the wet crystals?.

naphtha-soluble impurities

oh... i didn't realize there was such a thing!.

 

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ah...gottit, should i let the crystals dry then scrape up and then redissolve, or just pour out the used naptha from the frozen dish and pour the fresh naptha over the wet crystals?.

Drain thoroughly and redissolve from the dish, unless you want to weigh the initial yield.

 

[iownme]

i dont need to weigh.
then i cover the dish with foil, pin prick and leave it at room temp correct?

*edit*
its been 12 hours in the freezer (my usual time) and i have a poor result, mhrb is from the same batch as my last extraction.
first pull has nothing, 2nd pull is just weird looking and very little

 

[Transform]

i dont need to weigh.
then i cover the dish with foil, pin prick and leave it at room temp correct?

*edit*
its been 12 hours in the freezer (my usual time) and i have a poor result, mhrb is from the same batch as my last extraction.
first pull has nothing, 2nd pull is just weird looking and very littleView attachment 106159View attachment 106160

It could just be that there wasn't so much left to collect after the first pull. Once you've dissolved it with just sufficient an amount of warm naphtha, it can be decanted into a smaller container for convenience's sake. Then you can use your big dish for the third pull, to see whether the results will be even more disappointing.

Looking on the bright side, it could just be that your second pull gave denser, more compact crystals.

 

[iownme]

alas the card reader corrupted the tf card the other day otherwise i would post pics now of those dishes under the microscope, i'll accomplish that later, but let me say now it sure is an interesting picture under the microscope! not what i was expecting to see!.
the 10ml from the first pull sitting covered at room temp appears to be doing something, so we'll wait on that

with just sufficient an amount of warm naphtha

im thinking 30 ml swished around the waxy bowl first then pour into the crystal bowl and then decant to the glass tumbler?

i took some pics of the microscope screen with my phone for now .

 

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im thinking 30 ml swished around the waxy bowl first then pour into the crystal bowl and then decant to the glass tumbler?

Waxy bowl? Which one was that? Maybe if it's freeze precip remnants, otherwise I'd keep the batches separate. Thinking about it a little more, it would make sense to scrape up and weigh the latest crystals to make it easier to determine how much solvent will be needed.

i took some pics of the microscope screen with my phone for now .

Are those pictures from the latest batch? The tabular structure is rather interesting. If you were able to scrape them up for weighing that would give an idea of their density.

Shame about the corrupted card, that is disappointing - do you have any idea what went wrong?

 

[iownme]

Waxy bowl?

look at the first pic in previous post, lower of the 2 dishes "appeared" to be coated in a waxy substance, thats the one most of the "tabular" pics are of

i scraped the 2 bowls and was surprised to see the "waxy" product scraped up into crystals easily and was not waxy as i suspected.

the weight for sure surprised me.
the "waxy" was 557mg and is a nice white color.
the more normal looking dish was 449mg and is a 2 tone yellow.
i read cheap memory cards should be avoided... lesson learned

 

[iownme]

well this is a first.... look what pull 3 gave up!
not managed over 1.5g with 100g mhrb before

 

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Looking at those figures, it's probably worth doing another pull on that soup. This is with a 'sacrificial' 10mL set aside for evaporation as well, isn't it?

 

[iownme]

great minds think alike...i will be trying #4.

yes there is 10 ml sitting aside from this, its not doing much but there are white spots and still some naptha

 

[iownme]

Looking at those figures, it's probably worth doing another pull on that soup. This is with a 'sacrificial' 10mL set aside for evaporation as well, isn't it?

is there such a thing as "better" when it comes to using used or new naptha for a sensitive pull like #4
cost factor is not an issue for me, the used stuff i have is quite yellow...is there a difference and why?

 

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is there such a thing as "better" when it comes to using used or new naptha for a sensitive pull like #4
cost factor is not an issue for me, the used stuff i have is quite yellow...is there a difference and why?

At this stage I'd be inclined to pull with used naphtha to more easily get a picture of how much is still coming out of the soup. You can factor in the approximately 1g/L of product that doesn't freeze precipitate, of course, if using fresh naphtha and maybe your intuition is correct to lean in that direction. Each unit volume of fresh naphtha would pull relatively more additional DMT from the soup when compared with used naphtha. You'll just end up with more naphtha DMT trapped in it if you go with fresh, but that's nothing that a couple of vinegar washes can't remedy.

 

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Why does used solvent turn yellow over time again?

Is it that the DMT in solution that doesn't make the freeze starts to oxidize?
Or the DMT in the alkaline soup is oxidizing, so subsequent pulls take a snapshot of the freebase in the soup darkening yellow over time?
Is polymerization the next-step after oxidation? Could dissolved polymers prevent DMT from precipitating?

I'm a little suspicious that oxidized/polymerized DMT could be taking up space in solution. Hypothetically let's say a bark soup has 50/50 monomer/polymer. If the first pull yields a 50/50 mix and only the monomer gets froze out, there would be less capacity in the solvent for the second pull; and if the soup is still a 50/50 mix, the second pull would look more like 75/25, and so on.

I haven't tried pulling on fresh MHRB with used, yellow solvent; but if my fear were true you could eventually clog up the solvent with yellow polymer that prevents picking up any DMT? Just seems like the solvent turning yellow goes hand-in-hand with the bark appearing to be depleted. Maybe just a coincidence.

I guess another test on that hypothesis could be vinegar rinses on yellow solvent, then seeing if it pulls any more from a depleted soup. (accounting for the 1g L-1 solubility)