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US Scheduling of DOI and DOC

Artemisia

Artemisia

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The US Federal Government is hearing a case right now to decide whether to schedule DOI and DOC as a schedule one substance. Hamilton Morris has been covering the court proceedings, and I've found them to be simultaneously disturbing and amusing. It has been very interesting to listen to the viewpoints of the DEA on these substances. The definition of abuse for a non-scheduled substance (DOI and DOC) was characterised as "any use" by the DEA pharmacologist. There has also been excellent expert testimony from multiple researchers defending the absurdity of the situation, including Dr. Nichols. The court system is absurd and seems to have no interest in truth, but I do find it extremely revealing to listen to how these proceedings play out.

I haven't been particularly keen on repeating my only experience with a DOx compound in this lifetime, but I do value the contribution that DOI has had on scientific research. Has anyone else been following this?

I also wasn't sure whether to post this in Open Discussion or here. It relates more to drug reform rather than the promotion of RC's, but I also wanted to err on the side of caution.
 
Loveall said:
How do you follow the proceedings? Interested.

I had DOM one and it was amazing 😍
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Morris' Patreon has the first 3 days up for free. I thought he was putting the whole series up for free. Hopefully, he opens the rest of the correspondence up from this case for free. I think it's really important for people to be able to listen to how they are making these decisions that effect so many people's lives.

It's been a long time since my experience, and I don't remember which compound it was. It was a 2 day, white knuckle adventure though!

Edit: Also, the transcripts to the hearing will be made public record at some point.
 
Nydex said:
Wait, 2 days as in 48 hours constant experience? :oops:
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Yeah, those DOX compounds are proper heavy duty. I never quite got up the courage - or the free time - to try one. I remember seeing this one old guy rolling around on the floor for a day after taking DOI. The lack of sleep is something you really have to watch out for.
Artemisia said:
The court system is absurd and seems to have no interest in truth
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That about sums it up. It's mostly for show.
 
Nydex said:
Wait, 2 days as in 48 hours constant experience? :oops:
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It wasn't quite 48 hours, but it went all the way into most of the next day. I don't have the mental stamina to commit to something that long anymore! Cacti is the only thing I occasionally work with anymore that has an extended duration.
 
Been keeping up to date with this through Hamilton's podcast. Is fascinating and incredibly infuriating/heart warming at times. I was really encouraged by day 4. Pretty much every single objection by the DEA was overruled. Attack after attack by their lawyer was shut down by the judge. And once David Nichols took the stand that more or less sealed the deal for the day.. a true master and a beacon of knowledge.

I spent an hour in bed laying there grinning listening to day 4. It was quite awesome.

Whether people like DOI or not, this trial has highlighted the absurdity of prohibiting it.. or any other substance for that matter. It's use is uncommon, it is not shown to be a drug of abuse, exhibits anti-addictive effects and it is incredibly valuable for scientific research. And there really seems to be no real reason for the DEA trying to prohibit it. Same goes for the group of tryptamines they attempted to prohibit earlier this year. Basically no one uses these compounds. They are not a threat to the well being of society and again, are of upmost importance to research.

The most fascinating thing about this trial, apart from the illumination of the DEA's lack of interest in harm reduction, is the long arduous process that must be undertaken for a laboratory to get a license to study schedule 1 compounds. Furthermore, the hinderance to already underway research if a compound is scheduled during it's study.

Thank you to Hamilton for sharing with us.
 
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