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I was wondering if it is possible to use tartaric acid to convert DMT to its salt form. I am using the DMT hand book which uses fumaric acid but tartaric acid is easier to buy here
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Using tartaric to convert DMT into salt form
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It will form a salt, thats not the problem. The issue with different salt forms is that some of them will be hygroscopic, meaning they will absorb water from the air, becoming goo/oil instead of solid.
The only solid salt forms for DMT I've seen describe in literature or saw home tests is DMT fumarate or picrate (but dont mess with picric acid!) . That being said, I've never heard of any tests with DMT tartrate, it might be its solid, it might be its oily.
If you're willing to "take one for the team", Im sure others like me would be interested in hearing the results. You can always recover your DMT by freebasing and pulling with a solvent again if it doesnt end up like you want it.
The only solid salt forms for DMT I've seen describe in literature or saw home tests is DMT fumarate or picrate (but dont mess with picric acid!) . That being said, I've never heard of any tests with DMT tartrate, it might be its solid, it might be its oily.
If you're willing to "take one for the team", Im sure others like me would be interested in hearing the results. You can always recover your DMT by freebasing and pulling with a solvent again if it doesnt end up like you want it.
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yeah its worth a try cause i think many people would start to use tartaric acid as it is a lot easier to buy. i will be sure to try this over the next few days an post results. i will try and work out a mix ratio also and document times.
if i where to oven dry to reduce moisture in the air and to quickly seal the salt with minimal exposure to the air then we still might be able to achieve a nice crystal instead of goo.
how clean do the freebase need to be in order to conduct a salt transformation? i think mine is around 90% at the moment. whould that be fine
even if it does become oilly or goo it would still be good to use in a Ayahuasca drink. theres no failed experiment right :thumb_up:
if i where to oven dry to reduce moisture in the air and to quickly seal the salt with minimal exposure to the air then we still might be able to achieve a nice crystal instead of goo.
how clean do the freebase need to be in order to conduct a salt transformation? i think mine is around 90% at the moment. whould that be fine
even if it does become oilly or goo it would still be good to use in a Ayahuasca drink. theres no failed experiment right :thumb_up:
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result are that a nice salf form was achieved however it was a very sticky goo so not good for snorting. :thumb_dow
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Hmm.. how did you make it? I bet you might be able to TASA it out of acetone.
Also, if you want to convert the goo back to freebase you can just rebase it in a minimal amount of water and mix into naptha... Im sure you know the rest.
Also, if you want to convert the goo back to freebase you can just rebase it in a minimal amount of water and mix into naptha... Im sure you know the rest.
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yeah i recovered most of it by rebasing and pulling it again with naptha so at least i recovered it. come out pretty clean too:thumb_up: . i might just order some fumaric acid
i used a formula to work out how much tartaric acid was needed. its is in the dmt hand book. i think it was around 225mg needed due to larger molecular mass then fumaric acid. dissolved the dmt and acid in acetone then added together. crystals started to form and fall out of the solution however when drying the become sticky and turned to goo.
i used a formula to work out how much tartaric acid was needed. its is in the dmt hand book. i think it was around 225mg needed due to larger molecular mass then fumaric acid. dissolved the dmt and acid in acetone then added together. crystals started to form and fall out of the solution however when drying the become sticky and turned to goo.
