Vaping DMT on top of a mescaline trip : any advice ?

[Silly(c)One]

Hello Nexians,

I'm currently in the process of extracting mesc HCl from 3 feet of bridgesii.

I heard good things about vaporizing DMT during the mesc trip, but as I have no experience with cacti at all, I wondered if you cacti heads had any advice in the matter for a newbie ?

How will the 2 mix ?
Will my mesc trip change after the DMT come down or come back to the usual ?
When's the best time to vape the spice, before the onset, right at the beginning, the middle or the tail of the trip ?
Should I vape changa (with caapi) or pure DMT ?
etc.

Thanks for your time.
Silly(c)One.

 

[mew]

changa in a water pipe through t+4-6 hours
youll enter hyperspace in a clear headed fashion with little to no adverse hysteria

youll get much more experience from eating those three feet rather than hcl salt. 3 feet sends me to a place dmt has never shown me, three feet of hcl is a nice night

2 cents

 

[Bezerker]

mew said:

youll get much more experience from eating those three feet rather than hcl salt

There is much more to achuma than just the mescaline. I would never chemically extract from achuma, its perfect just the way it is. I can't eat raw cactus like mew, but making some syrup or any other full spectrum extraction is the way.

Smoking some DMT after the peak is freakin awesome!!! It'll add colorfull OEV's for the rest of your trip.

Good luck!!!!

 

[Silly(c)One]

Thank you very much for the advice.

I would have liked to get full spectrum achuma, but I'm travelling to France and there's no way I'm importing 3 feet of bridgesii or pre-made tea over there.
So my only solution is to extract it to reduce the volume to the strict minimum.
I have enough changa as it's been sent another way in advance with my GVG, but I just received the bridgesii, too late to send them the same way than the changa, so I have to take them with me by plane... huh huh no way so I'm extracting right now, 2 or 3 00 gel caps are easier to hide than 2kg of cacti

But next time I eat some bridgesii, I'll make sure to get the full spectrum effect, and will keep the peruvian torches or pedros for extractions.

 

[CuriousSeeker]

Hi Silly, I've smoked dmt after the mescaline peak and really enjoyed it! I measured out my dmt doses and put them in individual gel caps to make loading the pipe easy whilst deep into mescaline (actually I should say when mescaline is deep into me!). Measuring ahead of time also prevents getting too much dmt.

Good travels too you!

CS

 

[mew]

prevents getting too much dmt

CS

wtf?
this isnt called the "vagina-nexus"
:3

dont bother premeasuring, just pack your gvg full and toke as desired, its much simpler than trying to get all 61.2321 mg of dmt per vape. just a big ass toke to achieve looney tunes

 

[mew]

ive flown with dehydrated cacti skins many times, luckily i was never asked what they were. i stopped when someone got caught.

 

[soulfood]

Am I the only one who finds DMT to kill the energy of a cacti based experience?

I tried it once, then I found myself just waiting for it to wear off to allow the cactus to be more pronounced again before I could go.about my business.

Tried again another time to make sure... same effect.
I've actually tried this across the board with different phenethylamines and found the case to be the same.

DMT only really seems to synergise nicely with other tryptamines.
aMT seemed a better choice for a stimulated DMT experience, but I don't think its worth the 12-20 hours just for the oppotunity.

Just me though I guess.

 

[CuriousSeeker]

wtf?
this isnt called the "vagina-nexus"
:3

dont bother premeasuring, just pack your gvg full and toke as desired, its much simpler than trying to get all 61.2321 mg of dmt per vape. just a big ass toke to achieve looney tunes

Mew, Most of your posts make a lot of sense to me, however, this one resonates poorly on several fronts, including the odd supposition that vaginas are associated with weakness. It does show that everyone's experiences are different.

Maybe the OP will get a great trip using your technique, or maybe through random chance will get a severe asskicking leading to a hiatus from both materials. Either way they will not know the dose of dmt that led to it, whatever "it" was. I can only share my limited experiences combining these materials, which include a measured 26 mg dmt dose during a solid cactus trip that went extremely well.

My experiences also include a particular evening spent with with several ever increasing, measured dmt doses (not while using cactus) up to 40 mg (vaporized) with awesome results. That same evening I did one more trip where I didn't feel it was necessary to measure, got some huge dose and ended up having to put dmt down for a long time, having never experienced such a profound fear and despair in my over 4 decades of living experience. This month is one year later, and having spent much of that time meditating and cactusing to try and integrate it, I'm only just now beginning to test the dmt waters again.

But as they say, your mileage may vary. Everyone lives with their own decisions.

However you choose to travel, I wish peace and good travels to all! :thumb_up:

 

[Yerba]

DMT is already unpredictable enough. Discouraging people from measuring doses is silly and serves no purpose.

 

[soulfood]

Also, Vagina's are pretty damn durable on all accounts.

 

[mew]

my apologies, vaginas are not likened to weakness, i was insensitive and rude
in hindsight my bravado for extreme entheogenic experience was not well directed. there is nothing wrong with whatever approach you choose as long as it fulfills you.

however i prefer extraordinary psychedelia

ive had several ass kickings that discourage further immediate use, but i do not regret those experiences, and in those experiences i learned more than i had ever by metered careful doses. it is from those experiences ive learned to navigate comfortably high doses with cacti and vaped dmt. to me they were necessary lessons for me to progress

i do not measure dmt/changa
often if im not taken by the changa i vape more after the onset if i undershot

something is to be said for cactus's ability to prepare your mind for deep tryptamine experiences as suggested by the numerous reports of aya after cactus (chimbre in peru often uses san pedro the night before they begin aya sessions), and myself and others reports of fantastic spice/changa use during/ later in the cactus experience


again i humbly apologize for my previous use of language, it was shameful

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

DMT is already unpredictable enough. Discouraging people from measuring doses is silly and serves no purpose.

personally its is what i like to do, but i can see how recommending this to newbies (especially those who have unrefined administration techniques) can be 'silly'..

but in the immortal words of UC:

i just smoke until i leave the monkey behind

 

[mew]

and it seems the method is the madness

 

[Silly(c)One]

Well, I'm not exactly a newbie anymore, but I am very cautious with psychedelics as I want to use them for a long long long time.

As I haven't tried mescaline yet, it might be a better idea to combine DMT with the mushrooms and keep my first mescaline trip unadulterated...

That way, I will be able to learn what Mescalito has to teach me on his own.

I'll have plenty of chances to try the combo later on, as I have a few bridgesii and other cacti growing in my basement

Thank you all again for your precious experiences.

 

[mew]

Am I the only one who finds DMT to kill the energy of a cacti based experience?

I tried it once, then I found myself just waiting for it to wear off to allow the cactus to be more pronounced again before I could go.about my business.

Just me though I guess.

i find that it dosent kill the cactus rather it uses the cactus mindset to launch yourself in a much less restrictive fashion to a dmt/cactus hyperspace. yes dmt is overpowering but isnt that the point? you add a "peak" with smoking dmt during your long long cactus trip. when you come back youre glowing from the dmt while still on cactus, which is awesome.

when smoking changa/dmt i have no intention of "going about my business" cactus or not