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[Voidmatrix]

No, don't go
I'll be good, I promise

Somehow, I missed your tone or anything. I was just trying to clarify my views.
AI is a wonderful tool with lots of possibilities, but it's no wonder — we are.
If only people invested just as much in themselves and developing their own intelligence...

all I can say is thank you, and it wasn't you at all. I noticed it in myself when I checked in on my own energy.

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[Sakkadelic]

I think it will work against the current media monopoly. Instead of having more traction to manipulate the people I predict it will make more people ignore the brainwashing, unable to trust even real footage

yeah that is a good point, when all info becomes unreliable and hard to trust, it might lead to some freeing of thinking.

People will still believe all kinds of BS, and arguing about who's right or wrong will become even more impossible, we might need a completely new way of dealing and talking with each other.

 

[Sakkadelic]

@Nydex Silicon-based Lifeform should not be allowed in this discussion :b
Seriously though, we've only seen so little of the capability of silicon-based lifeforms, it is not a coincidence that silicon is just below carbon on the periodic table, I think it is premature to deny its life/sentient/intelligent/conscious status. If our consciousness is meant to survive millions or billions of years, those carbons have to be replaced with silicons

 

[Nydex]

@Nydex Silicon-based Lifeform should not be allowed in this discussion :b
Seriously though, we've only seen so little of the capability of silicon-based lifeforms, it is not a coincidence that silicon is just below carbon on the periodic table, I think it is premature to deny its life/sentient/intelligent/conscious status. If our consciousness is meant to survive millions or billions of years, those carbons have to be replaced with silicons

Crap, you caught me!

For real though, I've thought about silicon-based lifeforms quite a lot, and have read a fair bit of research on that idea, and unfortunately right now it seems rather improbable, simply because life usually takes the path of least resistance.

The biggest challenge for silicon-based life seems to lie in its chemistry, particularly its interaction with oxygen. While carbon-based life metabolizes to produce gaseous carbon dioxide, which is easily expelled via multiple routes, silicon metabolizes into silicon dioxide - a solid substance like sand/quartz.

So this creates the difficult problem of how such a lifeform would excrete solid waste. It essentially risks being clogged by its own exhaust, so to speak. Additionally, silicon-to-silicon bonds are weaker than carbon bonds, making it much harder to form the stable, complex long-chain molecules that we have observed as seemingly being necessary for life to arise.

However, again, we don't have all the answers. In the future our understanding of the biochemistry surrounding silicon might completely change based on some new discovery in another planetary system or galaxy...

It's certainly not impossible for silicon-based life to exist, particularly in environments almost completely devoid of oxygen (and by extension - water), but based on our current understanding of the science around it, I'd say it's unlikely.

 

[CosmicRiver]

If we could build the silicon-based equivalent of a carbon-based brain, we would have a sentient machine. But from what i understood these systems don't behave like a brain at all, but follow logical/probabilistic pathways when generating content, based on what they have been trained with. I don't really see the danger of Veo 3 or GPT 4 becoming conscious just because of what they can do. It seems like it's more of an issue of them becoming too intelligent and acting out of control. Like learning new things and eventually disrupting the internet or something like that, right? But i mean for example GPT 4 has access to all human knowledge but if it's programmed to generate content it can't reach its source code and enhance itself and gain the capability to do everything, or am i getting something wrong? i'm not an informatic so maybe my understanding is naive

 

[Voidmatrix]

If we could build the silicon-based equivalent of a carbon-based brain, we would have a sentient machine.

Not necessarily. We still haven't pinned down what makes a brain conscious or if consciousness even resides in the brain or if that's just where we can see evidence of it.

We often see "evidence" of things, not the things themselves. Unobserved observables.

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[Sakkadelic]

The biggest challenge for silicon-based life seems to lie in its chemistry, particularly its interaction with oxygen. While carbon-based life metabolizes to produce gaseous carbon dioxide, which is easily expelled via multiple routes, silicon metabolizes into silicon dioxide - a solid substance like sand/quartz.

what about flux based blood :b

I don't know, when the universe was still a hot ball of gas, any form of life would have seemed highly improbable. have we cracked why carbon-based lifeform is possible/inevitable in the first place? but yes in terms of biochemistry silicon is dull compared to carbon so paraphs silicon-based bio-life as we know it is impossible. but electrically silicon is more exciting, primitive self replicating nanomachines that oxidize and die quickly, fall into some magic mineral oil, membrane forms holding them in oil protecting them from oxygen, aggregate into more complex forms... I've only had some "high" thoughts about it. perhaps carbon-based lifeforms are a prerequisite for kickstarting silicon-based lifeforms.

 

[CosmicRiver]

Not necessarily. We still haven't pinned down what makes a brain conscious or if consciousness even resides in the brain or if that's just where we can see evidence of it.

We often see "evidence" of things, not the things themselves. Unobserved observables.

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yes it was meant more like "only if we could build the silicon-based equivalenf of a carbon-based brain, we would have the possibility to have a sentient machine", because a vessel so-to-speak for consciousness seems to be necessary in physical beings

 

[Voidmatrix]

Yeah... it doesn't help im listening to a book on philosophy of mind right now, which shows the issues of so many ideas mainly which there are a lot of appeals to duality that come to mind when I see "necessary for physical beings."

Anyway, to fit in with the cool kids, back to the convo, even then, we may have the apparatus for it, but if it happens to be an emergent property, we still can't do much with that mass.

That's the one way I'll be convinced of an AI's sentience/sapience: if it's an emergent property or phenomenon into a system.

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[Sakkadelic]

If we could build the silicon-based equivalent of a carbon-based brain, we would have a sentient machine. But from what i understood these systems don't behave like a brain at all, but follow logical/probabilistic pathways when generating content, based on what they have been trained with. I don't really see the danger of Veo 3 or GPT 4 becoming conscious just because of what they can do. It seems like it's more of an issue of them becoming too intelligent and acting out of control. Like learning new things and eventually disrupting the internet or something like that, right? But i mean for example GPT 4 has access to all human knowledge but if it's programmed to generate content it can't reach its source code and enhance itself and gain the capability to do everything, or am i getting something wrong? i'm not an informatic so maybe my understanding is naive

on the physical level it does not behave like a brain but on the operational level the idea is to model it like/simulate a brain, and who knows if consciousness can or cannot immerge from that. I do not see consciousness as a thing itself but something that manifests in the "relation" between things. there are also attempts to create a more brain like computer, something like analog computing.
on the absolute physical level a neural network follows a logical pathway but it does not map to our or standard computer logic, we cannot understand how those logical steps lead to the outputs.
it cannot reach and manipulate its source code if we don't enable it to do that, but I think they are already trying that in some kind of isolated/virtual environment. is it gonna escape as a virus and infect other AI and stay hidden?

 

[CosmicRiver]

on the physical level it does not behave like a brain but on the operational level the idea is to model it like/simulate a brain

yes to simulate but it's an analogy more than a true similarity because it's much less complex and doesn't work by truly integrating information but by recognizing patterns from what i have understood, and many other differences

 

[northape]

Is it really, though? Despite the western tendency to separate the body and the mind, many traditions throughout history have always looked at the idea of a "human" as body AND mind, unified, as one whole being. Sure, many processes in the vessel of the soul are indeed binary from a biological and chemical standpoint, but then how does one explain the body intuition?

I was talking more about hardware (computers) versus wetware (bodies). I'm of the notion that our biosystems are
light-years ahead in complexity of anything we have done so far. So I actually agree with you on everything; sorry if I was misleading.

you'd be surprised how fast these things go, and each breakthrough is faster than the previous one. maybe a commercial mind product will take long to develop but achieving the "Mind" milestone will come pretty fast.

Maybe, but this 'Mind' seems to be of our design. I'd never trust humans to design something they don't understand.

AI is just one more trend. Yes, it's going to change everything. However, this everything is just a small part of life.
We're humans with our humanity, and no tool is going to change it or make it easier to deal with.
I've heard “it's going to make your life better” a number of times, so I've stopped believing.

 

[northape]

I don't want to diss on everyone's favorite pet project, but AI is just an algorithm.
LLMs are highly complex statistical models that produce coherent results.

I think it's akin to playing with fire, though. Engineers honestly don't know what they are dealing with.
They can train psychotic intelligence without any notion of morals. I'm very wary of how much trust people put in AI, too.

 

[Voidmatrix]

I enjoy this creators documentaries and stumbled across this a couple weeks ago and it seems appropriate to share.

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[Surrey b.c.]

Hey guys
Anybody from vancouver

 

[premeditated]

You can still tell what's fake and what isn't if you look really closely, but we're close to the point where the naked human eye won't be able to distinguish them. Which is also the point where you can basically trust nothing posted on the internet. To be fair, we've been in this position for quite some time now, but lately these new models have given the still unconvinced ones enough evidence to spark their rational distrust.

It's getting pretty crazy. I wonder what all of this means for the justice system, particularly where video/audio/text evidence is considered when passing judgement on someone. Not that this system works well at all nowadays, but it's about to become even less reliable with the development of these models.

Maybe get more advanced with the truth serum route?? Like you said trusting audio and video is almost finished.

 

[Nydex]

Maybe get more advanced with the truth serum route?? Like you said trusting audio and video is almost finished.

Sure, but in that case you would have to start giving substances to people who do not consent to be given these substances. Under a normal justice system, this should be highly illegal for obvious reasons. If it becomes legal due to the changing judicial and evidentiary landscape, you get into a whole new mess that I'm really not sure I want to be subject to.

 

[Skr9]

I wanna confess that I have a fear of the future, and I wanna go back to the 80s. I feel uncomfortable and out of place when I see everything that is happening.

 

[premeditated]

I wanna confess that I have a fear of the future, and I wanna go back to the 80s. I feel uncomfortable and out of place when I see everything that is happening.

Idk if it's some sort of midlife crisis but I've been thinking a lot lately about how much fun it was back in the day. Social media to me is boring.

 

[Voidmatrix]

Idk if it's some sort of midlife crisis but I've been thinking a lot lately about how much fun it was back in the day. Social media to me is boring.

Some of your internal response is part of aging as well. Things don't seem so novel anymore, and so new stuff just seems... dumb.

Every generation does this with regard to every younger generation since the ancient times.

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