Vilca Beer "Chicha"

[maranello551]

O'Roight guys.

So.....My acquaintance recently had his first vilca snuff experience.....he said it felt very similar to a spice/mushroom experience, with some light nausea, not unlike the peak of an ayahuasca dream. He did not vomit. Then again, he did not take much (4-5 tiny seeds he says).

Since he knows I frequent the nexus, he asked me to inquire about the vilca infused "Chicha" "beer" he has heard of......he cares to experience the visodilatory properties the alcohol supposedly provides, in conjunction with the unfortunately vasoconstrictory vilca. He also is intrigued by the supposed notion that the psychoactive effects of vilca and alcohol complement one another well.

How would one go about preparing the infusion?

Are the seeds to be:

Toasted?

Dehulled (Deshelled)?

Based with lime?

How long would one need to let the infusion sit for before imbibing?


A pleasure as always,

M.

 

[entheogenic-gnosis]

Is vilca Anadenanthera peregrina or Anadenanthera Colubrina? As there seems to be some confusion between the two in published sources...

I found this information, and thought that it applied:

An early Peruvian report, dated about 1571, states that Inca medicine men were able to tell the future by communicating with the ‘devil’ through the use of vilca. In Argentina, the early Spaniards found the Comechin Indians taking sebil “through the nose” to become intoxicated, and in another tribe the same plant was chewed for endurance. Since these native cultures have disappeared, our knowledge of vilca snuffs and their use is limited (Hofmann et al. 1992, 116-117).

Villca seeds were added to chicha, a ceremonial maize beer. The juice of the seeds was squeezed into the chicha, which was taken by shamans to foretell the future. The shamans of the Wichi tribe in Argentina still use a snuff they call Hataj made from the A. peregrina, which allows them to penetrate other realities and influences those realms. Since the introduction of Christianity to these tribes, some individuals have equated the trees with the biblical Tree of Knowledge (Voogelbreinder 2009, 82-83).

Anadenanthera peregrina - Yopo, Cebil, Villca - Entheology.com

Yopo or Parica (Anadenanthera peregrina or Piptadenia peregrina) is a South American tree of the bean family, Leguminosae. A potent hallucinogenic snuff is prepared from the seeds of this tree. The snuff, now used mainly in the Orinoco basin, was first reported from Hispaniola in 1496, where the...

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Preparation notes:

TRADITIONAL PREPARATION: The preparation of Anadenanthera varies from tribe to tribe. The pods are first moistened and rolled into a paste, which is then roasted gently over a slow fire until it is dried out and toasty. Sometimes, the beans are allowed to ferment before being made in to the paste. After the toasting, the hardened paste may be stored for later use (Hofmann et al. 1992, 119).
Some tribes toast the beans and crush them into a paste, grinding them on an ornate slab of hardwood made especially for the purpose. The resulting grayish-green powder is almost always mixed with about equal amounts of some alkaline substance, which may be lime from snail shells or the ashes of plant material. Apparently, the ashes are made from a great variety of plant materials: the burned fruit of the monkey pot, the bark of many different vines and trees, and even the roots of sedges. The addition of the ashes probably serves a mechanical purpose: to keep the snuff from caking in the humid rainforest climate (Hofmann et al. 1992, 119).
A note on the addition of lime or ash to entheogenic substances: this is a very widespread custom in both hemispheres. Lime or ash is often added to betel chew, pituri, tobacco, epena snuff, coca, etc. The basic nature of this substance often allows active alkaloids to more easily penetrate the system. In the case of yopo snuff, however, the alkaline admixture does not seem to be essential. Indeed, some tribes, such as the Guahibos, may occasionally take the powder alone. The explorer Alexander von Humboldt, who encountered the use of yopo in the Orinoco 175 years ago, mistakenly stated that “…it is not to be believed that the niopo acacia pods are the chief cause of the stimulating effects of the snuff…” The effects are due to freshly confined lime.’ In his time, of course, the presence of active tryptamines in the beans was unknown (Hofmann et al. 1992, 119).

Anadenanthera peregrina - Yopo, Cebil, Villca - Entheology.com

Yopo or Parica (Anadenanthera peregrina or Piptadenia peregrina) is a South American tree of the bean family, Leguminosae. A potent hallucinogenic snuff is prepared from the seeds of this tree. The snuff, now used mainly in the Orinoco basin, was first reported from Hispaniola in 1496, where the...

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-eg

 

[ijahdan]

Could also just drink a beer before snuffing the seeds. Worked for me. I would be interested in hearing of anyone having success with oral vilca/yopo/cebil though, as it's pretty hard on the nostrils.

 

[maranello551]

Could also just drink a beer before snuffing the seeds. Worked for me. I would be interested in hearing of anyone having success with oral vilca/yopo/cebil though, as it's pretty hard on the nostrils.

That, and the fact that it should last longer orally.....I hear lemon oil helps eliminate nausea when taking orally.

 

[maranello551]

The explorer Alexander von Humboldt, who encountered the use of yopo in the Orinoco 175 years ago, mistakenly stated that “…it is not to be believed that the niopo acacia pods are the chief cause of the stimulating effects of the snuff…” The effects are due to freshly confined lime.’ In his time, of course, the presence of active tryptamines in the beans was unknown (Hofmann et al. 1992, 119).

Anadenanthera peregrina - Yopo, Cebil, Villca - Entheology.com

Yopo or Parica (Anadenanthera peregrina or Piptadenia peregrina) is a South American tree of the bean family, Leguminosae. A potent hallucinogenic snuff is prepared from the seeds of this tree. The snuff, now used mainly in the Orinoco basin, was first reported from Hispaniola in 1496, where the...

entheology.com

-eg

May be a silly question, but do we know for sure that insufflating lime has no psychoactive effects? :lol:

Also, Vilca is Cebil (colubrina)