Virola Peruviana Extraction

[CaptainFuture]

Good Mornin'
Just did my first Virola AB-Extraction.
After many tries over the years to extract Mimosa I finally was successfull after I found washbenzin is not Naphta, cause its heavier and forms bad emulsions.
It's not that difficult to extract if you have the right stuff. Real Naphta, in german called Leichtbenzin or Wundbenzin is quite light and always stays above the bas. water layer, even after heavy shaking it doesn't form emulsions.

So now I wanted to extract Virola for its 5Meo content. I ordered from Maya-Ethnobotanicals 100grs. Virola Peruviana.
After the usual steps- I let it soak with the acid for 2 hrs. and shaked extra long over 2hrs before the first pull- the first two pulls don't show a single crystal.
I guess the bark is old, shitty or not Virola, because I definately did everything correct. So I'll get some A.Peregrina or different Virola elsewhere now.

My questions would be
- Does 5Meo form crystals in the freezer and do they look exactely like NN-DMT? How do you seperate them then?
- Do you know a good plant source for 5Meo?
- what does it mean if the naphta gets cloudy while extracting -BEFORE been put in the freezer, while its warm. Usually with Mimosa the naphta stays clear.

Thanks for taking time to answer,
my best wishes,
Cap

 

[Weltenwanderer]

I perform my mimosa(!) pulls with this:

it evaporates without residues
does'nt form nasty emulsion (if PH is high enough,of course)and is
easily awailable here in 'Krautsland'..
I remember 5Meo to be prone to strong acids or mayby bases,dunno-
a pre extracted Virola Bark (=spent or freed of desired resin) could also be a reason why your pulls
were unsuccesful.
If your aiming for 5Meo you should give VIROLA RESIN a try:wink:

Virola resin usage - DMT Allies extraction - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

Separating 5-MeO-DMT from DMT - DMT-Nexus Wiki

wiki.dmt-nexus.me

If the solvent is getting cloudy it is usually oversaturated
= more alkaloids than its able to hold.
If a formerly warm/hot solvent gets cold (temperature drop)
crystals precip/fall out.

Seems like we have a grüne Kuppel case 'round here..:d
µcophile Grüsse aus'm ZPF

 

[dumbstruck]

From wiki: "Naphtha (pronounced /ˈnæfθə/ or /ˈnæpθə/) normally refers to a number of different flammable liquid mixtures of hydrocarbons, i.e. a distillation product from petroleum or coal tar boiling in a certain range and containing certain hydrocarbons. It is a broad term covering the lightest and most volatile fraction of the liquid hydrocarbons in petroleum.

In petroleum engineering, full range naphtha is defined as the fraction of hydrocarbons in petroleum boiling between 30°C and 200°C[1] It consists of a complex mixture of hydrocarbon molecules generally having between 5 and 12 carbon atoms. It typically constitutes 15–30% of crude oil, by weight. Light naphtha is the fraction boiling between 30°C and 90°C and consists of molecules with 5–6 carbon atoms. Heavy naphtha boils between 90°C and 200°C and consists of molecules with 6–12 carbons.".

I believe both your products are still considered naptha, but the lighter hydrocarbons are more desireable than the heavy washbenzin. That naptha refers to a range of products I think causes many mishaps here on the Nexus due to overseas or otherwise uncommon brands of naptha being inferior.

'Fraid I'm no help on actually helping though, but if you like being corrected, as I am sure most people do, then I am the man to call. Best of luck!

 

[Infundibulum]

I guess the bark is old, shitty or not Virola, because I definately did everything correct.

Definitely?!?!

How did you base the acid extract? Why did you assume that 5meo is soluble in naphtha(s) (or aliphatics in general)?

SWIM has never seen (or read about) someone extracting 5meo and/or separating it from dmt. It is apparently much more difficult than we think so it is totally probable that you did not do everything correctly.

 

[CaptainFuture]

Thats why I opened the thread.
You're right, I don't know if 5Meo is soluble in Naphta. But why not?
I'll get some V.Theiodora resin within the next days and will try to get the 5Meo out of it then.

Btw. the guy who sold me the bark said he knows of people who couldn't extract 5Meo out of his bark though the bark itself seemed to be potent.
So, anyway, I'll try it again with the resin when it comes. and let you all know then.

If anyone DID a 5MEO Extraction, please help! I still want info on that.

 

[soulfood]

A certain masked champion refer'd to extracting 5meoDMT from virola T. resin using DCM + sodium carbonate.

I never had any luck extracting from prepared snuffs with either naphtha/IPA or acetone, though I always used CaOH.

 

[Infundibulum]

Thats why I opened the thread.
You're right, I don't know if 5Meo is soluble in Naphta. But why not?

Well, just because. Neither bufotenine (5-HO-dmt) nor psilocin (4-HO-dmt) are soluble in naphtha. Assumptions like these are often incorrect. The safest way is to use a solvent that has been shown to extract a diverse array of substances, like dcm or chloroform, not one that has beem shown to be far more selective (e.g. naphtha)

If anyone DID a 5MEO Extraction, please help! I still want info on that.

Sorry, no luck here....would be great if someone could report something like what you're asking!

 

[Noman]

I've never extracted virola but extracting chaliponga from a drytek with acetone resulted in something that was experientially very much like 5MEO.
This might help:

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59830

 

[Swarupa]

Any chance of a copy & paste so i don't have to sign up to that site?