Virola Resins - A Few Questions For The Experts

[Ident]

Hiya folks,

I've been looking at virola resins recently and have decided to get myself some virola calophylla and theiodora resins in the next week or so. Going by the the high opinions that such luminaries as 69Ron hold about these resins I believe that it will be an area worthy of considerable experimentation in future (at least till I get my set-up sorted for a proper DMT extraction!).

EDIT: I've decided to just go for 3g of each from Shamanic Extracts as I need to buy cebil and lime this week too.

I intend to experiment with these resins sublingually, intranasally and, all going well, smoked. Would it be possible to produce enhanced leaf using resins? Would I need to convert it first to a more soluble form?

On the subject of freebasing, is calcium hydroxide more suited to the calophylla resin and calcium carbonate better for theiodora?

What would you suggest with regards to an MAOI with these resins?

I know that these questions have been answered already in various threads but I wanted to get some clarification from the experts before venturing into this. Once I've done a bit more research and experimentation myself I think it'd be worth pooling our resources and creating a page on the wiki for these resins and their methods of preparation as it's a really interesting area. My apologies if I'm asking oft repeated questions but I'd rather be well informed than piecing together forum threads at the risk of ruining the resins.

Thanks for your time folks and I look forward to seeing how this thread develops!

 

[nadir]

69ron mentioned that virola resin is the best form of 5-meo ingestion - just take some sublingually.
other folks tried smoking it, but afaik it didn't work.
5-meo isn't the best thing you can smoke. too intense and terrifying.and it certainly does not require maoi
chaliponga is a good source of 5-meo as well.

 

[Ident]

69ron mentioned that virola resin is the best form of 5-meo ingestion - just take some sublingually.
other folks tried smoking it, but afaik it didn't work.
5-meo isn't the best thing you can smoke. too intense and terrifying.and it certainly does not require maoi
chaliponga is a good source of 5-meo as well.

Cheers Nadir, the reason I wanted to go the sublingual route was because of the intensity of smoked 5-Meo. I should have made myself clearer there since I was mainly talking about smoked DMT or an enhanced leaf of some sort. Smoked 5-Meo is something I'll need to experience (I get that inexplicable feeling of being drawn to it) at some point but I'm in no rush and would rather ascertain my own limits with other methods first anyway. Thanks very much for the advice my friend, it's always appreciated. :d

 

[Ident]

Just got my delivery of virola theiodora and calophylla! 6g of beautifully coloured resins.

Just need to get myself some bases and experiments will follow......I'm all excited now!! Any advice from anyone?

Cheers!!

 

[Infinite I]

Look forward to hearing how you go, swim has bought their theidora twice and both times they didnt work, he snorted and tried sublingualluy a gram in an hour and it didnt work. See ron got it from there too and he was always happy because apparantly some people need a lot of 5meo to work, didnt work for swim but hopefully it works for you. Good luck!

 

[Ident]

A quick update...

I insufflated a pinch of the theiodora resin about 10 mins ago and I'm fairly sure that it's active. I'm guessing that it's either a placebo effect, wishful thinking or I'm sensitive to 5-Meo.

Now to get some sodium carbonate and we're laughing!

EDIT @1525: Now approx. 30 mins since snorting - definitely active but no major effects at this dosage. Sense of anxiety and slight nausea from about 1455 until now although the anxiety is probably more to do with being unfamiliar with the resin. Walked out to the shops to get sodium carbonate and noted more of an awareness of the air on my skin and the colour in the trees. Again, probably just placebo but I'll be freebasing approx 100mg with 6% soda crystals later tonight and increasing the dosage as appropriate.

Fingers crossed!

 

[Ident]

So......

Last night, I prepared a 500mg quid of virola theiodora and a gram of virola calophylla on seperate plates. Both were freebased with 6% sodium carbonate and left to dry for an hour or two.

The theiodora quid was placed under my tongue for approx. 10mins. For those of you who haven't tasted or smelled this resin, it suggests nutmeg, cinnamon and cloves but reminds me of the smell in a dentists. It wasn't unpleasant but it started to burn a little after about seven minutes so I perservered and at the 10 minute mark I washed the quid down with some orange juice. A further 10-15 minutes later I began to feel a slight body buzz but maintained mental clarity, it felt rather nice but nothing spectacular and the effects were gone within another 10 minutes with no nausea or after effects. Overall it was pretty disappointing.

The hint of an effect suggested that I didn't properly hold the quid sublingually and probably scuppered my own efforts to maintain control of my saliva. Basically the lack of effect was probably down to ineffective technique so it's probably my own fault. :lol:

I loaded up my home-made bong with approx 200mg of the freebased virola calophylla and hit it in one major blast. The smoke was gentle, pleasent and inoffensive. I held the hit for over 30 seconds and felt a very minor perceptual shift, phospenes appeared in my peripheral vision but no other visual activity was noted. Mentally, I felt a slight 'stoning' effect and entered a very mild trance-like state for about one minute or so but nothing noteworthy. I also noticed very slight changes in sound but, again, nothing noteworthy. The trance state was probably more to do with me trying to observe the effects internally as it felt similar to auto-hypnosis experiments I've done in the past. I hit the bong again, two large blasts of around 200mg held for over 30 seconds each.......zilch. Nothing. Nowt. Nada. Same stoning effect, similar focus of concentration but nothing visual, nothing mental and no insights of any sort.

I also experience no CEV's whatsoever, OEV's consisted of phospenes in the peripheral vision but I think this had more to do with holding my breath than anything else. Again, disappointing.

About an hour later, I insufflated the remaining 500-600mg of the calophylla snuff - It burned a little, made my eyes water, and took about three big snorts to finish the pile I had left. Again, not entirely unpleasant but I quite like insufflation for a lot of substances, even when it burns like hell. Mentally, the same stoning effect was felt but nothing else other than a slight feeling of drowsiness which was probably more due to the fact it was around 1am.

So, my conclusions? I made an arse of the sublingual method and only have myself to blame for that. I'll be experimenting further with this method as I think it COULD work for me in the way 69ron states. As for the smoked freebase and the insufflated version, I don't know. It may be that I didn't correctly freebase the resins or I may have an incredibly high tolerance to these substances. Further experiments will clarify this as I have about two grammes of each resin left anyway.

Any advice from anyone on this? I'd be interested to hear your own experiences if you have any, whether they're good, bad or ineffective.

 

[idtravlr]

Ident - I didn't fully follow what you did with which substances, but other than the pinch of resin you snorted in the beginning, I understand that every other method was of a freebased form? Please correct me if I'm wrong here. I very well may be.

69 can correct me here as well, but my understanding with virola t. and virola c. resin, is that you are better off NOT freebasing it unless you intend to smoke it. I THINK that these resins are more effective either insufflated or sublingual when in their natural form (salt I believe). I think freebasing them inhibits their absorption via the mucous membranes.

I seem to remember reading this in some very old posts. 69 - any input on this? I also think that a normal shamanic dose of these resins is typically quite large, like a couple snorted pinches to start things off, and then a few blows through the nose pipe before a true shamanic state is reached.

I'm tired, and digging this up from memory, so I may be incorrect, but that is what I remember.

I too now have some virola t. resin that I would like to do either nasally or sub-lingual. So, I'd be happy to share notes with you as we progress.

Peace,
-idt