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blizzard311

blizzard311

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SWIM took their first trip to hyperspace last night after following noman's tek. Thank you for the answers and the support of SWIM"s friends here!!!!!

ANYWAYS... Just a friendly word of advice for 1st timers. SWIM thought they were prepared as best as SWIM could of been..

NOTHING WILL PREPARE YOU FOR YOUR FIRST TRIP THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SWIM was completely "put in his/her place"!!
SWIM's administering of the dose was kind of sketchy. Not sure how much was taken, SWIM couldn't find digital scale, (of course found it this morning).
SWIM used a vapor genie, did the ash sandwich, and took one enormous hit.
The second SWIM exhaled, the sound of white noise could be heard distantly, then, as the sound got much louder, SWIM could not keep eyes opened. The sound of the "static" noise continued to get louder and louder at the same time SWIM had the sensation of falling backwards (SWIM was laying down in a recliner).
The visual was an incoherent mess of white and black colors, SWIM could feel the body give out, how alot of people say, the sense of letting go was very very great. The last thing SWIM remembers thinking before SWIM blacked out was that physically, everything would be fine and to just let go.
The moment the thought of the word "go" was said, BOOM!!!! just a confusing, chaotic, inaudible, extremely loud low pitch noise, the best SWIM can think to describe this noise is in the movie the War of the Worlds (bad movie by the way) when the machines come out of the ground and they expel whatever fluid it had in it out. (does anyone know what SWIM is talking about??)
It was the most interesting sensation.
This "void" SWIM was in was a blinding bright white light, yet, utterly black and dark.
The noise SWIM heard was deafening, yet silent.
There were the questions of "OH SHIT! what am SWIM doing??", "Why does SWIM think SWIM needs to do this?", "Is SWIM dead?", "Did SWIM just kill his/herself by extracting the wrong way?", "what is this??"....etc...
But yet as all of these questions were being asked simultaneously, they were simultaneously being answered.
SWIM has gathered that every question being asked was SWIM's fears and doubts about the extraction, and SWIM's physical well being. (DUH).
SWIM didn't have an unpleasant experience, It reassured SWIM that this is the "right path", and to not be afraid.
It all came on so fast that when SWIM left the body, SWIM was completely confused as to why SWIM would do this to theirselves.
SWIM could hear the friends who sat with, their voices were just inaudible mush, not a different language or anything, just nonsense.

WHAT THE HELL IS THIS????
What kind of knowledge and understanding can come from hyperspace?
Why is this substance so obscure and illegal??
Although SWIM had virtually NO visuals, IE: Runes, geometric patterns, mandala like symbols, SWIM was wondering if their MJ habit is taking away from the visionary part of hyperspace. Took aya last week and no visuals either, but suspected bad product was to blame. But both had HUGE effects on SWIM's psyche though, and wants to delve deeper. SWIM is recrystalizing the rest of yield before SWIM goes again, because this description is half ass at best of what SWIM experienced last night, SWIM will be a little more prepared for the next journey.
 
sorry, just realized I prob should of posted this in the first steps in hyperspace section, could a mod send it over there for me??
 
Not to freak you out further or anything, but if your experience was
anything less than visually astonishing beyond all possible comprehension, there is either a) something wrong with your spice, or b) you're just underdosing.
 
I haven't found anything that says how to measure the doses, full breakthrough is 60mg right? I have a digital scale that can read to .01 grams but are those very accurate. Is there other methods of measuring the dose.
And I just read that someone smoked some spice "about the size of a peanut" I put a pile of crystals on top of the ash that was prob like 2 peanuts. When I exhaled my first hit (from the vaporgenie) I was basically paralized, lost feeling to arms, couldn't hold up head, blacked out.
 
1) Eyeballing doses can be really deceiving. In the first place, the density of your spice can differ dramatically from extraction to extraction. One person's peanut could be 60mg - another's could be much less. A .01 gram scale isn't optimal, but it's certainly better than nothing. Use it.

2) The vaporgenie is pretty great, but there's definitely a learning curve. And oil tends to melt through the screens, even if you're using four or five (which you should). So, for the sake of argument, say you are loading up 60mgs. You may be ingesting a whole lot less. And unless it's one of the new glass ones, you have no way of seeing what's going on as you're doing it. Take the top off and hit it without. The bulk of your hit may very well still be pooled up under the screen.

3) How deep you inhale and how long you hold your hits can make an enormous difference. The first one is the most important, but no way in hell can you possibly inhale 60mgs in one hit. SWIM has a pretty average lung capacity, and it will take him 3 or 4 big hits to get through this amount. You'll know when you have, because you will simply lose all motor control and be rocketed out of your body. You'll have to will yourself through this, though, because as you've discovered, the first one hits like a ton of bricks, and subsequent hits only get trickier.

4) Breakthrough doses differ from person to person and experience to experience. 60mgs, however, should rock ANYONE who's doing it correctly. 40mgs is more than enough for a lot of people. The true nature of the experience begins to unfold (in my experience) around 30mgs. Below that, it's very different, and sounds like what you are describing; twisting dysphoria, mental confusion, but not particularly visual. And don't believe those reporting on 100-150mg trips. It just ain't possible. You can load any amount you like into your pipe. You're not going to exceed a certain dosage because your body just won't allow it.

Trust me when I say that a non-visual DMT experience is a mis-fire. Assuming your spice is good, when you hit it right, you will know the difference right a-fucking-way.
 
HA HA, thanks. I was wondering, (almost worrying :p ) that where I ended up was "somewhere in between", that is going to be interesting to experience trying to take 2 or 3 more hits when hit like that, It was the most extreme hallucinogenic experience I have personally gone through!! :)
How would you say the best method of how to get a good idea of how much you are dosing is?? A triple beam??
Also, there is someone who SWIM knows that smoked the same spice, just half the amount, eye balled into a mini bubbler, had mad visuals, glyphs and symbols and energy waves coming over him from his report.
 
blizzard311 said:
a good idea of how much you are dosing is?? A triple beam??
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You can get a cheap digital scale on Ebay or from a number of other online vendors, around $30-50.
It's should go down to .001 accuracy, if you are wanting to measure out single doses.
Which is usually around .030mg-to-.040mg for most people...some need up to .070mg to get the full-on experience.

It's good to know roughly how much it takes for you to get over, that way you are not always loading up twice as much as you can actually use.
On the other hand, .050mg usually looks like a pretty big pile of crystals. If I was only eyeballing things, I would probably never load that much, thinking it was way more than just .050mg. Then I would never have enough spice in the pipe to get a full-on dose & reach that overload point of breaking through.


Eyeballing it just plain does not give you any clue to the true weight, because every extract will come out with a different density to the crystals.

I can use the same exact bag of MHRB, do the exact same extraction process, three separate times & I will end up with three different types of crystals every time.

I can take a crystal from each of the three extractions, all the same physical size & they will all weigh differently because the density of the crystals are different.
How tightly bonded together are the DMT molecules making up each crystal?
The tighter/closer the bond, the heavier the crystal...because there are more molecules occupying the same amount of surface area.


Some of this also comes down to purity...How much other crap is in the extracted DMT crystals & how much does that crap weigh?
(If the impurity is an oil (like when extracting from leaf), than it probably weighs quite a lot!)

So two extracts can look almost the same, but if one is denser, it will weigh more than the other.
Remember the final stage in every extraction is to grow the extracted freebased alkaloids into crystals, either by evaporation (lots of impurities), or by freeze precipitation (leaves most impurities behind, in the solvent).


Not only that, but it's also nice to know how much of a yield you actually had!!
And if you are doing a re-crystallization, you can weigh it before & after, to see how much crap was removed.
This can be very surprising!! (especially if you didn't clean a previous extract & just smoked all that other garbage with it!)


WS
 
As soon as you described the 'boom' as similar to the sound that the tripods made in War of the Worlds I could hear it in my head.

I too have felt that the first few doses were less visual than emotionally intense. Now that I have became more comfortable being in that space I can focus on what I see rather than how I feel.
Getting to know myself and what I needed was the hard part. Without a scale I am not sure if you will be able to find your happy medium without having to eyeball a dose. I would expect it would be a shoot and miss sort of scenario without one.
 
Cisco said:
As soon as you described the 'boom' as similar to the sound that the tripods made in War of the Worlds I could hear it in my head.

I too have felt that the first few doses were less visual than emotionally intense. Now that I have became more comfortable being in that space I can focus on what I see rather than how I feel.
Getting to know myself and what I needed was the hard part. Without a scale I am not sure if you will be able to find your happy medium without having to eyeball a dose. I would expect it would be a shoot and miss sort of scenario without one.
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I'm glad someone else (so quickly) knows what I'm talking about with the noise in that terrible movie :p
I am also glad your experiences sound exactly what I am personally going through, It was almost ALL emotional, I have noticed I have been thinking in a totally different light now.
Either way, right or wrong, I now know the introduction physically to the "world" of the DMT experience, at least the oncoming effects... like getting my feet wet before diving right in. I think that me personally how my brain processes things, I needed to know what I was getting myself into before I could let go to feel the full experience. SWIM is extracting again, soon and will probably be posting some recrystalization questions in the next few days so....LOL......
Thank you for your response!!
 
Hello Blizzard,

I have to say that SWIY experience was very similar to SWIM. SWIM specifically relates to the sound as it was overwhelming. SWIM had tried spice two or three times before with varying results. Mostly low dose and mildly visual but no sounds at all. The first time SWIM took a long slow drag and held it in he/she was overtaken by the intense red/brown/orange geometric patterns that were accompanied by an incredible noise. Also, SWIM had decided to try to have some light meditation music in the background going. What a strange sensation and ultimately a bad idea. The music was stuck on a loop the whole time or so it seemed. It was initially very alarming and scary. SWIM felt like they were stuck in a loop as well. It wasn't until SWIM said "it's OK, it's OK, it's OK" that the loop stopped.

It initially really scared him/her. SWIM was initially thinking OMG SWIM is never going to do this again. SWIM certainly must have extracted wrong was another thought that came to his/ her mind. However, thee moment that SWIM said it's ok there was a warm gentle flooding of his/her body with electrical water. Does this make sense? Then the nervous feelings were over and could hear himself/herself gentlly moaning/humming hmmmm, hmmmm and it was so peaceful and reassuring to make this sound.

SWIM is a 40 year Male/Female who has had a handful of psychedelic experiences...ALL have been good to great. This first real look into the world of spice has rocked the very foundation of reality for him/her. When SWIM came out of it, it had the distinct feeling of a bad dream that causes you to wake up. You remember that you had a /crazy/bad dream, but can't remember what it was about.

SWIM is planning on posting this first experience as soon as SWIM is able to. SWIM journaled the experience and is still editing for clarity purposes.

Thanks for your post. It has made SWIM realize they are on the right track. SWIM is also very excited about future journeys based on the postings of others on this amazing site.

Peace and Blessings,
CC
 
SWIM bought his scale (,01) yesterday and is amazed of how much 50mg are!!! He eyeballed his first breakthrough and realises now that it was only about 15 to 20 mg...guess he's a pretty ssensitive guy.
 
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